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ghoulz66ghoulz66 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,748 Arc User
edited September 2014 in The Wilds
How much of a dps increase are we talking about on a PVE stormwarden? I'm still using a vorpal and with no crit boost it's just meh now.

Do chains proc on every enemy hit with CtG? Strike 5 enemies and 50% chance to chain to another for every one of them so that's like a 50% chance of almost 100% weapon damage?
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  • ghoulz66ghoulz66 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,748 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I'm sure someone's used one before! I simply don't like the other two trees as much. Wouldn't this be BIS for a PVE combater?
  • enbeekayenbeekay Member Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    ghoulz66 wrote: »
    I'm sure someone's used one before! I simply don't like the other two trees as much. Wouldn't this be BIS for a PVE combater?

    Man I wish I could find anything active on HRs. The responses have been almost nonexistent. It's like they are all on vacation or the original authors wrote the guides way back when, just up and quit.

    I've also noticed that if there is an active thread going that you are either directly in or what they are talking about or you get completely ignored. Odd community.

    Anywho I got bored so I started taking builds I could find online and cross referencing them in excel and then compared them to current module stats. When I'm done I'll get it posted up.

    I'm basically trying to find a spec that can do PvP and PvE rather easily. So far I've heard combat for PvP and a couple of people describe playing as Stormwardens which is a paragon path choice if I'm not mistaken. (I just recently started playing again and I play a Fury SW and the only path they have available is Hellbringer, for example.)

    Then for PvE I'm hearing Stormwarden:Archery. Then there is always a few people that say Trapper, or use the Pathfinder path, etc etc. Like I said the guides are out of date. The community is retired it seems. If you wanna help me write an updated end all guide I'd appreciate any assistance.

    I just want it to outline the Powers/Rotation/Feats and Paths for PvE then set up a PvP guide all in one thread.
  • ghoulz66ghoulz66 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,748 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Sadly the stormwarden is trumped by the pathfinder in pvp simply because of careful attack. I'm just bearing some more pvp to get my profound combatant which looks pretty good on paper for pve.

    Besides, like I said, I enjoy combat the most and if a TR can get into a legit dungeon run, so could I.
  • enbeekayenbeekay Member Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    ghoulz66 wrote: »
    Sadly the stormwarden is trumped by the pathfinder in pvp simply because of careful attack. I'm just bearing some more pvp to get my profound combatant which looks pretty good on paper for pve.

    Besides, like I said, I enjoy combat the most and if a TR can get into a legit dungeon run, so could I.

    So what spec are you running then? Stormwarden Combat? Is the DPS any good for PvE and do you mind linking a calc?
  • spacejewspacejew Member Posts: 1,044 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    enbeekay wrote: »
    So what spec are you running then? Stormwarden Combat? Is the DPS any good for PvE and do you mind linking a calc?

    It depends what you compare it do. HR can't keep up with a CW or a SW in PvE so pretty much everyone that wants to do damage are doing those two classes at the moment. For PvP most HR go for Pathfinder. If you want to do both...I can't really say.

    Stormwarden Combat is very viable for PvE. For PvP I have no idea.

    Here's a forum topic I put up regarding PvE SW/Combat. I have not tested a lightening enchant on HR, but I would hazard a guess that it would be quite good for SW/Combat spamming CtG.

    http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?745771-Effective-PvE-SW-Combat-Strategies

    What I use for SW/Combat: http://nwcalc.com/hr?b=cn4:13ydj4:13ydj4,13n0iii:100000:1uu5zv:100000&h=0&p=swd

    Keep in mind that plenty of people will switch out Wilds Medicine for something else. I don't know what else you would choose that compares to a stacking heal over time but I rather like it personally. The rotation's and whatnot are in the forum topic.
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  • lirithiellirithiel Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I recently respecced from SW Combat to PF Combat with pvp in mind in the long term, although I haven't done very much domination due to all the glyph BS going on. I have run a few epic LoLs and SoT and my damage wasn't all that bad - worse than my SW Archer but not nearly as rubbish as it would have been in Mod 3. I run with Rapid/Careful Attack, Rain of Swords, Fox Shift, Hindering Strike, Lone Wolf and Cruel Recovery, Disruptive Shot and Forest Ghost. Single target though so I'll always lose damage in AoE situations.

    I am interested to see how SW Combat fares in pvp as I still like running pve stuff as Combat and would switch back over in a heartbeat if it was effective enough. Just never tried it in the new mod although I did play SW Combat in Mod 3 and really enjoyed it.
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  • ghoulz66ghoulz66 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,748 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I noticed when messing with trapper that hindering strike seemed to deal the same damage as constricting/binding. Does all weapon damage use the bow despite being in melee?
  • osterdracheosterdrache Member Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I currently play my pvpHR in pve because i got bored by the glyphs.
    Against equally geared CWs (my HR has near 22k gs in pve) I stand no chance to compete with their dmg. Same with SW.

    But I have to say, combat HR is super fun to play in pve. Ur in the middle of the action, and can proc alot of dmg numbers on enemies.

    I started to do dungeons solo for fun. Epic karrundax was quite easy, soloing cn draco on the other hand was **** intense.
    I go with GPF for those solo runs, and royal guard ofc.

    In a well coordinated party, archery HR would be best dps I guess, but aggro managment is important.
    And its true, there are no uptodate guides for HR, at least good ones. Maybe we are just lazy in writing and to busy killing stuff ;-)
  • ghoulz66ghoulz66 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,748 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Not a fan of royal guard. Vastly overkill with armor pen. Already at 24% with my brutal hunter. And biding of it's effect to proc. Rather have one that'll work when you want it. Think the combat HR really needs that extra movement speed pvp sets offer. Pathetic dodges for AoE so you gotta haul @#$.
  • spacejewspacejew Member Posts: 1,044 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    ghoulz66 wrote: »
    Not a fan of royal guard. Vastly overkill with armor pen. Already at 24% with my brutal hunter. And biding of it's effect to proc. Rather have one that'll work when you want it. Think the combat HR really needs that extra movement speed pvp sets offer. Pathetic dodges for AoE so you gotta haul @#$.

    Royal Guard by itself put's you at exactly where you want to be with ArP at 12 STR. Guessing you went DEX/STR for initial rolls making the BiS gear bad for you. Sadly, there is no alternative gear set for PvE that's worth anything. Grand Warden? Laughable. Brutal Hunter? No way. The set bonus proc's insanely often if you build yourself right and use the right encounters which I'm guessing you aren't doing if you don't think it works well.

    Fox Shift / Hindering Strike / Rain of Swords. Open with Rain of Swords on multiple targets, Hindering Strike, then Fox. Spam CtG in-between. Enjoy super low cool-downs on everything.

    Sorry for the derail. Personally I think Plaguefire is the defacto 'best' for Combat HR's but that's just my opinion.
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  • ghoulz66ghoulz66 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,748 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    spacejew wrote: »
    Royal Guard by itself put's you at exactly where you want to be with ArP at 12 STR. Guessing you went DEX/STR for initial rolls making the BiS gear bad for you.
    15 STR/25 DEX/WIS.

    Besides, don't feel like grinding dungeons for it or buying it.
  • ximaeximae Member Posts: 534 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    spacejew wrote: »
    Royal Guard by itself put's you at exactly where you want to be with ArP at 12 STR. Guessing you went DEX/STR for initial rolls making the BiS gear bad for you. Sadly, there is no alternative gear set for PvE that's worth anything. Grand Warden? Laughable. Brutal Hunter? No way. The set bonus proc's insanely often if you build yourself right and use the right encounters which I'm guessing you aren't doing if you don't think it works well.

    Fox Shift / Hindering Strike / Rain of Swords. Open with Rain of Swords on multiple targets, Hindering Strike, then Fox. Spam CtG in-between. Enjoy super low cool-downs on everything.

    Sorry for the derail. Personally I think Plaguefire is the defacto 'best' for Combat HR's but that's just my opinion.

    honestly ive never seen a 10 str roll (+2 leveling) on a hr human or elf, lowest was 12 +2.

    I do really think an overload socket setup with red glyphs will be superior, *** combat generates a ****ton of ticks and every tick means +600 extra dmg. Not gona respec to test it, and preview is empty to run a dungeon there for tests anyways.
  • ghoulz66ghoulz66 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,748 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    ximae wrote: »
    honestly ive never seen a 10 str roll (+2 leveling) on a hr human or elf, lowest was 12 +2.

    I do really think an overload socket setup with red glyphs will be superior, *** combat generates a ****ton of ticks and every tick means +600 extra dmg. Not gona respec to test it, and preview is empty to run a dungeon there for tests anyways.

    Well, nowhere near black ice or draconic gear so that's not happening any time soon.
  • lirithiellirithiel Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I've got both the Black Ice and Draconic gear sets but I'm not going to bother testing it because I would have to change up the rest of my gear and gemming to compensate for the ArP lost from the Royal Guard set. Not to mention their sucky 2 and 4-piece set bonuses which will never measure up to RG ones. I'd also lose a shipload of power if I went for say the Grand Warden set or the aforementioned two sets. UNtil there is a clearly better set bonus on gear in Mod 5 Royal Guard will continue to be the set for me.
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  • kangkeokkangkeok Member Posts: 1,123 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    spacejew wrote: »
    Royal Guard by itself put's you at exactly where you want to be with ArP at 12 STR. Guessing you went DEX/STR for initial rolls making the BiS gear bad for you. Sadly, there is no alternative gear set for PvE that's worth anything. Grand Warden? Laughable. Brutal Hunter? No way. The set bonus proc's insanely often if you build yourself right and use the right encounters which I'm guessing you aren't doing if you don't think it works well.

    Fox Shift / Hindering Strike / Rain of Swords. Open with Rain of Swords on multiple targets, Hindering Strike, then Fox. Spam CtG in-between. Enjoy super low cool-downs on everything.

    Sorry for the derail. Personally I think Plaguefire is the defacto 'best' for Combat HR's but that's just my opinion.

    Im not an expert but..Pls..dun condemm the set that u never use..grand warden isnt a trash set..it might be for combat HR because it isnt build for combat HR thats all..Its actualy build for Archer HR and fans of crit..Grand warden + vorpal + archer tree will definately satiesfy those crit fans out there but it act like a double side blade. As u all know, when u r lucky..u get uncontrolable ammount of damage, easily come out as top dps. If u dont, u might sligthly under others. but overall its quite good.

    IMO for combat HR in PVE, Royal guard + lightning might be better than plague fire. For PVP, i think its comparable between BI set + plague fire and royal guard + plague fire. But somehow i feel BI is slightly more superior coz royal guard lack of tenacy and tankiness to survive CC. Beside BI set funtion well in both PVE and PVP. Just my 2 cent..
  • ximaeximae Member Posts: 534 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    Im not an expert but..Pls..dun condemm the set that u never use..grand warden isnt a trash set..it might be for combat HR because it isnt build for combat HR thats all..Its actualy build for Archer HR and fans of crit..Grand warden + vorpal + archer tree will definately satiesfy those crit fans out there but it act like a double side blade. As u all know, when u r lucky..u get uncontrolable ammount of damage, easily come out as top dps. If u dont, u might sligthly under others. but overall its quite good.

    Actually in the single target (dummy) tests i did (parsing) GW came out ahead of RG by a decent ammount. That was using vorpal and an archery build and since it was single target Rg didnt really proc that much compared to how much GW procced. But it wasnt an optimal setup for it either.

    the thing with GW is that well.... the proc really just summed to about 2% of the dps, which is pretty underwhelming.....

    We really need a good Bis set like other classes, HV, diabolist,etc
  • aderonzaderonz Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I have been using purified BI set along with black dragon glyphs and the dps is realy decent, mostly because of clear the ground and blade storm and at 3 stack they deal more damage than red ones, and hell less expensive.
  • spacejewspacejew Member Posts: 1,044 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    kangkeok wrote: »
    Im not an expert but..Pls..dun condemm the set that u never use..grand warden isnt a trash set..it might be for combat HR because it isnt build for combat HR thats all..Its actualy build for Archer HR and fans of crit..Grand warden + vorpal + archer tree will definately satiesfy those crit fans out there but it act like a double side blade. As u all know, when u r lucky..u get uncontrolable ammount of damage, easily come out as top dps. If u dont, u might sligthly under others. but overall its quite good.

    IMO for combat HR in PVE, Royal guard + lightning might be better than plague fire. For PVP, i think its comparable between BI set + plague fire and royal guard + plague fire. But somehow i feel BI is slightly more superior coz royal guard lack of tenacy and tankiness to survive CC. Beside BI set funtion well in both PVE and PVP. Just my 2 cent..

    Actually, I have each of the sets in question. I don't say they're garbage they just aren't as good. If you're having trouble proc'ing Royal Guard's cool-down effect you will have equal trouble proc'ing Grand Warden's measly set bonus damage that is incapable of critical hits.

    Regardless, let's not argue about sets. The question is enchants, specifically lightening on a combat build.

    I think generally everyone could agree that Lightening is a solid choice for personal damage. Me, personally, I prefer Plaguefire because while all the proc damage effects from Combat can't crit they can take advantage of the debuff from that particular enchantment. (And, you should note, that most of those proc effects do not actually proc PF or Lightening at all.)

    Which one comes out ahead I can't say for sure but for the rest of the team I'd say PF generally comes out slightly ahead unless someone else is already running the same tier of PF in your team. At that point Lightening becomes more attractive.
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  • ghoulz66ghoulz66 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,748 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Does the full duration of rain of arrows proc the lightning enchantment? The first hit from rain of swords proc'ing on the entire blob?
  • lordfuzunlordfuzun Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 54
    edited September 2014
    ghoulz66 wrote: »
    Does the full duration of rain of arrows proc the lightning enchantment? The first hit from rain of swords proc'ing on the entire blob?

    Rain of Arrows will proc over the full duration. Rain of Swords will only proc on the first hit.
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