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Zen Store - Campaing Completion

benja32gonsalesbenja32gonsales Member Posts: 236 Bounty Hunter
edited September 2014 in General Discussion (PC)
I just realized this...

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IMO, these are the kind of stuff that a not serious MMORPG have.
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  • mentinmindmakermentinmindmaker Member Posts: 1,492 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    NW is doing something right in my opinion - instead of gating quests, areas, gear etc behind payment, everything in game is available to all, paying or not paying.

    However they still need to make money. NW is making money in part on non-essential conveniences(character slots, bags, ..) and in part on letting you speed up progress(campaign completion, refinement stones, xp boosters, etc etc).

    While I would prefer to not see any options for anyone to use their wallet to race ahead, the most important thing is that all of game is available with no payment and that it is not Pay to Win in the sense that powerful items are only (or primarily) available by payment.

    And really.. with 4 mods in game he amount of work required to catch up to mod4 is substantial, so this gives the really casual with money an option to faster catch up with the old players.
  • ironzerg79ironzerg79 Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,942 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    People complain that you have to pay money for content. Then people complain that you can pay money to skip content. Cryptic can never win...:rolleyes:
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  • rlrobrrlrobr Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I don't see a problem at all. If you have a dozen toons you probably have enough AD to skip it with the newest one(s), so, what's wrong?
  • benja32gonsalesbenja32gonsales Member Posts: 236 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    Well, I guess that none of you played an old MMORPG, where you got stuff for your work in the game, instead of your wallet, specially a campaign completion, lol.
    Poll: State Of PvE
  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited September 2014
    benja32gonsales wrote: »
    Well, I guess that none of you played an old MMORPG, where you got stuff for your work in the game, instead of your wallet, specially a campaign completion, lol.
    I've played a ton of MMOs since 1997 and I don't recall any free to play games, besides Cryptic's games (which are relatively new), having content in such a fashion that Cryptic has their "Campaigns." So, really there isn't anything worth mentioning to base this on in the free to play market, except for maybe that other D&D MMO... which is almost entirely stuck behind a paywall for even the smallest bits of content. For alt-addicts like myself, this is the perfect thing for me to continue to enjoy the game without spending another year on a few more characters.

    Have I bought this yet? Nope. Will I in the future? Most likely as I get done spending my saved AD on other things I want. After which, I'll start spending that AD to convert into Zen to buy these unlocks on my newest 60's - which I have 15 level 60's so far, out of 25 characters.
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  • cheesegromitcheesegromit Member Posts: 540 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Were those "old MMORPGs" subscription based?
  • kargisterkargister Member Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Go play STO, another Cryptic game that gives out buffs for campaign completions. They nerfed the living hell out of those buffs. You know why? Because new players cried so loudly that they couldn't compete with the older players who spent months completing those campaigns. Spend years getting your main and your alts built up to have it all nerfed into the ground. Needless to say they lost a lot of customers doing that.

    Along comes Neverwinter with a nearly identical set-up. Tell me, how much effort would you like to put in before you too get nerfed. On the other hand, with this buy your campaign rep thing in place, that same nerf is highly unlikely to occur here. Can't spend the time? Spend some zen. Nerfage problem solved.

    Yeah. I think its a great idea.......
  • bioshrikebioshrike Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,729 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    The closest I can think of is Guild Wars 1, which had the base/Prophecies campaign, then you had to buy the other 2 campaigns to get access to their related areas/quests, weapons, classes, etc.

    Regardless, all that purchase does is save you time. IMO, there is nothing wrong with that - it's what the XP boosters do, it's what the faster mounts do, and it can even be stretched to include what extra bag space or even companions have to offer - making gameplay faster, smoother, and less tedious.
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  • benja32gonsalesbenja32gonsales Member Posts: 236 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    kargister wrote: »
    Go play STO, another Cryptic game that gives out buffs for campaign completions. They nerfed the living hell out of those buffs. You know why? Because new players cried so loudly that they couldn't compete with the older players who spent months completing those campaigns. Spend years getting your main and your alts built up to have it all nerfed into the ground. Needless to say they lost a lot of customers doing that.

    Along comes Neverwinter with a nearly identical set-up. Tell me, how much effort would you like to put in before you too get nerfed. On the other hand, with this buy your campaign rep thing in place, that same nerf is highly unlikely to occur here. Can't spend the time? Spend some zen. Nerfage problem solved.

    Yeah. I think its a great idea.......

    Well, I don't know the details about STO, but you shouldn't compete with older players who spent months of work if you are a new one, CRYPTIC shouldn't pay attention to that kind stuff.
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  • rhoriangelusrhoriangelus Member Posts: 703 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Having played through Sharandar once, completed all boons - allow me to say I will NEVER do that again. I'm glad that the campaign completions exist, because that took for. Ev. ER. The sheer amount of grinding and having to come back every day for MORE grinding was ridiculous. I'd pay to complete IWD too if I could.

    I'd prefer if the campaigns were more a more reasonable length, and that the campaign completions were more reasonably priced, though. 2500 would be much better. Or if it was an account unlock for 5000.
  • anharmonanharmon Member Posts: 175
    edited September 2014
    rhoriangelus wrote: »
    Having played through Sharandar once, completed all boons - allow me to say I will NEVER do that again. I'm glad that the campaign completions exist, because that took for. Ev. ER. The sheer amount of grinding and having to come back every day for MORE grinding was ridiculous. I'd pay to complete IWD too if I could.

    I'd prefer if the campaigns were more a more reasonable length, and that the campaign completions were more reasonably priced, though. 2500 would be much better. Or if it was an account unlock for 5000.

    True enough. But here's the thing: the campaign should NOT be that boring to begin with. The fact the boons are such a grind is just a failure on the part of Cryptic to make engaging endgame content.

    I don't mind the zen store item, and I don't think it's really unwarranted, especially since Sharandar's a grind. But it really shouldn't be that much of a grind, imo.
  • gomok72gomok72 Member Posts: 616 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    So let me get this straight, I spend $100.00 ****ing dollars on that token and it's not account bound?
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  • bobherkamerbobherkamer Member Posts: 62
    edited September 2014
    $100 to unlock?

    How do you people justify paying this amount?

    It truly blows my mind how much people enjoy being ripped off.
  • bernatkbernatk Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 115 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    gomok72 wrote: »
    So let me get this straight, I spend $100.00 ****ing dollars on that token and it's not account bound?

    Your math is off. Or your grammar. (Also the tokens are aimed at vet players who have some AD stashed away, and just need some padding with their respective IRL currency.)
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  • gomok72gomok72 Member Posts: 616 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    bernatk wrote: »
    Your math or, your grammar. (Also the tokens are aimed at vet players who have some AD stashed away, and just need some padding with their respective IRL currency.)

    I corrected that sentence, for you.
    No, both are not off, in order to get 5000 zen, it's $100.00 American dollars. $50.00 nets you 2500 zen. My calculations are correct as correct can be.

    Even working, I rather grind and "play" the game as this not a deal at all, it's robbery.
    I may not be considered by most the BEST PVP Warlock on the server but, I am the most HATED amongst them.

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  • rhoriangelusrhoriangelus Member Posts: 703 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    anharmon wrote: »
    True enough. But here's the thing: the campaign should NOT be that boring to begin with. The fact the boons are such a grind is just a failure on the part of Cryptic to make engaging endgame content.

    I don't mind the zen store item, and I don't think it's really unwarranted, especially since Sharandar's a grind. But it really shouldn't be that much of a grind, imo.

    Very true. I'd prefer better campaigns over buyable completion.
    gomok72 wrote: »
    No, both are not off, in order to get 5000 zen, it's $100.00 American dollars. $50.00 nets you 2500 zen. My calculations are correct as correct can be.

    Even working, I rather grind and "play" the game as this not a deal at all, it's robbery.

    If you're only getting 2500 zen for 50 dollars, someone is ripping you off. It's 1000 zen per ten dollars. 50 bucks should be 5000 zen.
  • gomok72gomok72 Member Posts: 616 Arc User
    edited September 2014
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    rhoriangelus wrote: »
    Very true. I'd prefer better campaigns over buyable completion.



    If you're only getting 2500 zen for 50 dollars, someone is ripping you off. It's 1000 zen per ten dollars. 50 bucks should be 5000 zen.

    Yeah, somethings not righ, that's how much I got from purchasing zen and just sent a ticket in to customer support and billing, thanks for this.
    I may not be considered by most the BEST PVP Warlock on the server but, I am the most HATED amongst them.

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  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited September 2014
    bobherkamer wrote: »
    How do you people justify paying this amount?

    It truly blows my mind how much people enjoy being ripped off.
    I won't spend real money on this though. Instead, I'll convert my AD earned in-game to Zen and then buy it that way. No rip-off for me.
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  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited September 2014
    gomok72 wrote: »
    I corrected that sentence, for you.
    No, both are not off, in order to get 5000 zen, it's $100.00 American dollars. $50.00 nets you 2500 zen. My calculations are correct as correct can be.

    Even working, I rather grind and "play" the game as this not a deal at all, it's robbery.

    USD to ZEN Wallet Conversion Rate:
    $5.00 = 500 ZEN
    $10.00 = 1,000 ZEN
    $20.00 = 2,000 ZEN
    $30.00 = 3,000 ZEN
    $50.00 = 5,000 ZEN
    $100.00 = 10,000 ZEN

    ZEN Wallet to Neverwinter ZEN* Conversion Rate:
    1 ZEN = 1 ZEN

    * Not all PWE Games have the same ZEN Wallet to Game ZEN Conversion Rate. Check here for details.
    gomok72 wrote: »
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    Yeah, somethings not righ, that's how much I got from purchasing zen and just sent a ticket in to customer support and billing, thanks for this.
    Check your ZEN Transaction History, as this will show you exactly what you bought, how much ZEN you got, and what game you transferred it to (or was transferred to automatically). Certain transaction methods automatically transfer your ZEN to Neverwinter, or whatever game you chose during purchase. Older methods place the ZEN into your ZEN Wallet and await transfer.

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  • lordfuzunlordfuzun Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 54
    edited September 2014
    benja32gonsales wrote: »
    Well, I guess that none of you played an old MMORPG, where you got stuff for your work in the game, instead of your wallet, specially a campaign completion, lol.

    That's with the old Subscription only model of MMORPGs. It's of a different era. Today is the free-to-play model of MMORPGs. Developers don't have to stuggle to maintain every subscription. Now players can come and go as they please. Money for FtP comes from vanity items and selling of convenience. You can absolutely play the game without spending a cent. But you have to goto a vendor sell off loot when you inventory fills up more often or pay up for some more bags.

    So you can play through the content and get a lot drops along the way. Or just pay up to unlock everything, but have none of the XP or drops that would come with running it. It's the new ways of things.
  • kattefjaeskattefjaes Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 2,270 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    I have to admit, I bought completion for Sharandar and Dread Ring for my Warlock. I have completed both on all other classes, and initial experiments showed that even as a fresh 60, the Warlock was sailing through the dailies like a CO2 laser through butter- so no excitement to be had there.

    I suspect that this makes me the target market for this sort of thing- I'm not sure what to feel about that, though.
  • chemboy613chemboy613 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,521 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I don't mind this, here's why,

    I have put 6 toons through sharandar, it was a pain and took forever.

    Now when my sw is 60 I ask myself, 2.5m ad, or what? 30+ hours of doing annoying! obnoxious! buggy quests with stupid redcaps yelling at me in voices that makes blood boil? Let alone some of the steps costs ad and money, so can I make the ad farming or doing something fun? Yes


    I won't skip the other campaigns because they are fun, but I despise sharandar!

    Skipping wind would be tempting too...

    But so far to tod fun and so is dread ring, I don't mind those.
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  • celticgamer0celticgamer0 Member Posts: 537 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    rlrobr wrote: »
    I don't see a problem at all. If you have a dozen toons you probably have enough AD to skip it with the newest one(s), so, what's wrong?

    This. This is what s to know what the campaign completion token was meant for. All the players, myself included, that have too many alts to know what to do with can skip campaining since it was done many times before. The downside is not being able to open a chest for the ever elusive RNG-hating armour pieces. It does however allow you to advance to IWD immediately after reaching 60.
  • rashylewizzrashylewizz Member Posts: 4,265 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    Meh. Sharandar's been out for quite a while. Don't really have a problem with this
  • cheesegromitcheesegromit Member Posts: 540 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    The implemenation of these makes much more sense to me now that I've just come to the end of the ToD campaign with my SW. The final quest in ToD to unlock Skirmish, Dungeon or Artifact weapon is located in IWD.

    Cynical level +1.
  • tinead51tinead51 Member Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Hurry up with the IWD one then, if it's good enough for Dread and Sharandar, never mind about the time they've been around.

    The precedent has been set...

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