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avanlina
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I have a suggestion to the perfectworld / Cryptic studio team:
A solution for the gold spammers in the neverwinter chat system
First assure implement a 2 step authenication when logging in to neverwinter. The same system is used already when a user logs in from a strange computer. An email is send to the user with a code in. Only make this not readable numbers letters, but make it like a captcha image.
Bots will get no chance when they try to login on the server.
When they do, this could be a next solution:
Put captcha questions in the quest's the user needs to do. Do this in random quest's, because bot's are specified in auto solving some captcha systems. If it's random, they cannot program it.
Other Solutions:
Add in the chat system this function: if a user place the same message for like eg 10 time's, give him a captcha question, if the user doens't fill in that question right for x times, ban him from X time from the chat, or disconnect the user his game session.
Many people yell that IP banning is the solution, but its not. Ill explain why:
IP addresses are dynamic allocated over the world, ofcourse there are subnets that are location bound. However, take the folowing example then in mind: Computer A in sweden that is connected to ISP A, wants to go on the internet, the modem / router sends a dhcp packet to the ISP, where the isp provides hime a dynamic ip address. When the lease time expires, the modem / router sends another dhcp request, and most of the times the router / modem receives a different dynamic IP.
Also keep then in mind, then when firewall X has blocked this ip address from ISP A, another client that hase the same ISP / Location, would getting blocked, because he also is getting dynamic ip addresses. So there is realy no point in doing such thing.
The only time when IP banning is OK, is when the bot / server / application has a static ip address. And even then, its a cold trick to spoof an ip, or just change from static ip.
So guys, let me know of what u think, and PWE / Cryptic, please considder this, because the gold spamming is getting worse again, and its game destroying before u know.
Greets,
Avanlina
A solution for the gold spammers in the neverwinter chat system
First assure implement a 2 step authenication when logging in to neverwinter. The same system is used already when a user logs in from a strange computer. An email is send to the user with a code in. Only make this not readable numbers letters, but make it like a captcha image.
Bots will get no chance when they try to login on the server.
When they do, this could be a next solution:
Put captcha questions in the quest's the user needs to do. Do this in random quest's, because bot's are specified in auto solving some captcha systems. If it's random, they cannot program it.
Other Solutions:
Add in the chat system this function: if a user place the same message for like eg 10 time's, give him a captcha question, if the user doens't fill in that question right for x times, ban him from X time from the chat, or disconnect the user his game session.
Many people yell that IP banning is the solution, but its not. Ill explain why:
IP addresses are dynamic allocated over the world, ofcourse there are subnets that are location bound. However, take the folowing example then in mind: Computer A in sweden that is connected to ISP A, wants to go on the internet, the modem / router sends a dhcp packet to the ISP, where the isp provides hime a dynamic ip address. When the lease time expires, the modem / router sends another dhcp request, and most of the times the router / modem receives a different dynamic IP.
Also keep then in mind, then when firewall X has blocked this ip address from ISP A, another client that hase the same ISP / Location, would getting blocked, because he also is getting dynamic ip addresses. So there is realy no point in doing such thing.
The only time when IP banning is OK, is when the bot / server / application has a static ip address. And even then, its a cold trick to spoof an ip, or just change from static ip.
So guys, let me know of what u think, and PWE / Cryptic, please considder this, because the gold spamming is getting worse again, and its game destroying before u know.
Greets,
Avanlina
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Captcha's are really annoying. I'm a human, and I sometimes have difficulty with them. Having them pop up on random quests will just irritate the playerbase.
Moreover, I believe many bots finish Blacklake district and then ignore the rest of the story progression quests.
Any implementation will interupt / interference the user. Its just to finding the right balance.
Text string filtering can be made to work just fine. No idea why they don't use it. They allow the names themselves to be spam; sequentially numbered @names, 100's of names long..
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I just started trash talking them back till they put me on ignore, I used to get like 5-7 pm, and 3+ friend invites in a day from those, but now i barely get pm and no friend invite. lol
Speaking about banning an IP , not in game, on the internet , bcuz of spam is not recommended bcuz someone's account can get infected and send his email spams to all the friends in list involuntary. Also in game ,someone's account might be hacked and the evil person may send spams in chat .
I suggest adding a shuffle numbers interface to choose a 6 code digits received in the mail but that would be another problem lol some ppl like me doesnt read the mailbox only once a month or so , only if needed urgent.
Well anyways for now i don't find very annoying the gold spam in zone chat anymore, the only thing is that i received only few whispers and 2 mail with spam in game.
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The only viable solution that will not punish or annoy other players is a client side custom filter. Allow each player to choose key words that block messages. The spammers won't know how many people are blocking them, they won't know if the message is getting out or not, they won't even know the various key words, so they can't bypass them. It puts up an invisible obsticle preventing them form finding ways around it. And if they do, users can adapt faster then the spammers can.
Captcha is very outdated against professional botters.
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There is nothing on the top of my head to suggest a better way to ban these gold-spammers. They can though, improve the response time of sent player reports, ie. report spams and etc. I report gold-spammers all the time.
The best way to stop gold spammers is to stop buying from them. I'm not blaming anyone in this thread or even this forum for buying from gold sellers, but they make their money somehow. People need to use better judgement and only buy from PWE.
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Cryptic cannot enforce american law in china. It doesn't work that way. What these Chinese gold selling companies are doing is perfectly legal in their country.
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i dont know about bots, but i doubt i would log in anymore in that case, as if among dailies, boons, professions there isnt enough annoying stuff for players to deal with
Such "bots" can input any capcha in the world:
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Or they could go after they buyers. Make it where people know they'll get banned if they get caught, and they mostly won't buy. The RMT loses buyers and they move to greener pastures.
LOL! That is hilarious and awesome!
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pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
I think this is the best approach - I have seen its success in other MMOs.
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
Only problem is that it's only helping us ignore the problem instead of fixing it
I think any difficulty in implementation will be in adding it to the client not in the function of the filter it's self. Many other games have this filter as a lua mod so it's not the creation of the filter itself that should be the problem.
Since zone chat is infested with spammers (along with trade and lfg), they DO level characters only to have them banned. They don't care, the spam bots are disposable.
Nice bit of necromancy, btw. Can a mod please put Vilithrax back to sleep now?
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