I really want to know so I can make an effective spell storm mage. Not to "expose" or anything else, and telling me to figure it out for myself Is what I am doing.
I really want to know so I can make an effective spell storm mage. Not to "expose" or anything else, and telling me to figure it out for myself Is what I am doing.
A few clues however would help i suspect.
Also we must have hit post same time.
I'll check back later
Interesting. I don't think I've seen many PvP CWs using sudden storm. I guess oppressors might be using that to stack chills, but generally it's not the best over-all PvP skill due to it's activation cone.
I've seen a lot of SS Thaum Wizards slot: Shield on TAB, CoI, Icy Rays and Choke; with RoF as at-will. Some people forgo shield for another damage encounter (survivability vs DPS), but then it depends on the situation as well (E.G. Changing to Steal Time/IT against TRs on nodes etc.).
Spell Storm is a must for passive, and then you choose between EoTS or Orb. Orb is very popular now as it gives choke (and IT/ST if you use) more control.
I assume they're using Ray of Frost to proc Spell Storm.
Misconception. We actually LOSE dps for spamming only ray of frost.
My current rotation, Ice rays tab, shield, repel, choke, magic missile, ray of frost.
My perfect rotation would be:
1. Choke
2. 2x Ray of frost (2 chill stacks)
3. Ice rays (root+chill stacks)
4. 2x Ray of frost (6 chill stacks for the freeze)
5. 2x Magic missile burst (all 5 hits)
6. Repel is melee/DC or Rechoke again if any other class
wash rinse and repeat, this will kill almost everyone very quickly
So not relying on sudden storm / icy terrain?, and no storm pillar full charge for more damage down thaum tree?
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aulduronMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,351Arc User
edited August 2014
Sudden Storm is too hard to hit with in PvP, and has too small a range.
I really don't know what they use. I'm a renegade. I had to give up PvP for now, since I can't compete with Thaums and Oppressors. I'm dead before the choke drops me.
think i seen a pretty nice 1
icy terrain on tab
ice ray/entangling force / 3rd skill any you like (COI etc..)
ROF and maybe MM for the arcane stack if you like repel etcc
Dailies are standard ice knife / OF
Entagling> Icy Terr > IR> While spamming ROF
Sudden Storm isnt that hard to hit with. Get the target area up so you can single click cast it. Choke or Icy Rays or Steal time or when you freze them etc.. is when you blast them in the face with Sudden Storm. Sure it builds chill but it is better used for its raw damage.
Like I said it isn't "that hard", is it more difficult than most of the other spells, Definitely. It is a mid type melee range area that most CWs will avoid. Usually if someone is that close to you, you are more worried about running away / controlling or pushing.
Get used to controlling people while they are in your face and unleashing a Sudden Storm on them. It will make people not want to get in your face as such again.
Right now most CWs are just using whatever allows them the fastest freeze time. And the most reliable way to keep freezing and controlling people.
I wouldn't spend too much time trying to get it set up for all of this as changes are coming down the line and Assailing force might not be anywhere near as good as it seems right now.
There are so many different ways to set up your CW and have it still be effective in PvP. It really is a great and flexible class.
I'm actually surprised more people aren't using CoI on tab. All you would need is to CoI them and RoF and they will be almost instantly frozen, if you are Oppressor with extra chill from RoF.
Test out different rotations on the Target Dummies. That is the best advice I can give you. See what Freezes a target fastest, if that's what you are going for. If that isn't the end goal then try out different spells that you can think of that would synergize well together.
While you are testing these on the dummies, make sure to also try out a spell rotation that is more pure damage focused with some control. Since Assailing force will be balanced out and most CWs will probably think it is unfair and worthless after this balance - it is safe to assume that you should try and stay ahead of the cookie cutter curve.
I am still surprised I don't see any CW's using Maelstrom of Chaos especially now that CW fights are usually Who gets CC'ed first loses.
Pro Tip, you can use Maelstrom of Chaos while you are controlled (except when proned) and it will break the CC and cast the spell. During this cast time you are still immune to CC and take greatly reduced damage.
To me it is more useful than Ice Knife. If you are a good CW especially with how things are working now you shouldn't ever need a Big nuke like that since you have the controls with free damage. What you could use as a CW is a way of CC immunity and a briefness of being tanky.
Hope this rant helps some people out in some way.
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I run with Shield on tab/icy rays/choke and either repel(lots of melee) or chill strike(lots of CW/DC). It can also depend on the situation. I break out icy terrain and steal time if i'm fighting lots of rogues on points. I am thinking about trying icy terrain on tab with shield/icy rays/choke, but I haven't messed with that yet.
Icy terrain on tab is awesome. You put it on them, they close gap to get to you, then you teleport on it and they will try to close gap and be right where you want them (on the terrain) or they will stay away and fling daggers at you, which is obviously going to give you the upper hand.
Another spell that is really fun on tab is Steal Time xD get free sprint speed and CA. Also works really good if you are using Icy Terrain not on tab.
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I want to thank folk for putting up some of their thinking. I have a spell storm that is new and a MOF that is old 60 but I"m leveling a new mage that is nearly level 30.
I have a few ideas of my own, but now esp that assailing force is maybe not so good , and ogmas is not so great against CC (from the patch notes) I'm leaning away from thaum and more towards opressor.
I have always felt control and more control is good.
So Steal time will hit a rogue in stealth. I seldom use it cause the slow cast time, but I will have to give that a try.
COI gets dropped a lot and on tab it is a handy thing if you are heavy into chill n ice. IMHO
I keep wanting more slots to fill up.
I'm kinda leaning toward running storm spell and either chill or imposition for more control or damage. Not sure yet. I just lack time to go on preview and try all my ideas, so ya'll sharing with me is wonderful.
Steal Time is great because you can Shift(Teleport/Dodge) out of it to stop its cast before it goes off completely. All those ticks will stack slow, and proc effects (StormSpell, Smolder, Wep Enchants etc.) If you shift cancel it early it goes on a severely reduced cool down.
Doing it this way is most useful against melee players while you have them on Icy terrain, with CoI on tab as well. Pretty much grinds their move speed to a halt and stacks chill super quick. All the while CoI, IT, and Steal time are all causing procs. It is a fun set up for sure!
And the best part is because you shift cancelled steal time you will have it back up and ready by the time they can re-engage you at melee range.
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Comments
a. CW are not op, they just had to play hard, and now that others cant meow etc at them they are doing the same thing and melting face?
b. It is a big secret only the select few are sharing among themselves because it is vulnerable to failing if people understand how it is done
c. People do not want it nerffed into dirt so they won't talk about it and give anyone ideas.
Are they oppressor or thaumaturge spec?
I really want to know so I can make an effective spell storm mage. Not to "expose" or anything else, and telling me to figure it out for myself Is what I am doing.
A few clues however would help i suspect.
Also we must have hit post same time.
I'll check back later
Interesting. I don't think I've seen many PvP CWs using sudden storm. I guess oppressors might be using that to stack chills, but generally it's not the best over-all PvP skill due to it's activation cone.
I've seen a lot of SS Thaum Wizards slot: Shield on TAB, CoI, Icy Rays and Choke; with RoF as at-will. Some people forgo shield for another damage encounter (survivability vs DPS), but then it depends on the situation as well (E.G. Changing to Steal Time/IT against TRs on nodes etc.).
Spell Storm is a must for passive, and then you choose between EoTS or Orb. Orb is very popular now as it gives choke (and IT/ST if you use) more control.
Misconception. We actually LOSE dps for spamming only ray of frost.
My current rotation, Ice rays tab, shield, repel, choke, magic missile, ray of frost.
My perfect rotation would be:
1. Choke
2. 2x Ray of frost (2 chill stacks)
3. Ice rays (root+chill stacks)
4. 2x Ray of frost (6 chill stacks for the freeze)
5. 2x Magic missile burst (all 5 hits)
6. Repel is melee/DC or Rechoke again if any other class
wash rinse and repeat, this will kill almost everyone very quickly
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Backbone - 16.7k PvP HR
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I really don't know what they use. I'm a renegade. I had to give up PvP for now, since I can't compete with Thaums and Oppressors. I'm dead before the choke drops me.
(I didn't mean only RoF)
icy terrain on tab
ice ray/entangling force / 3rd skill any you like (COI etc..)
ROF and maybe MM for the arcane stack if you like repel etcc
Dailies are standard ice knife / OF
Entagling> Icy Terr > IR> While spamming ROF
Like I said it isn't "that hard", is it more difficult than most of the other spells, Definitely. It is a mid type melee range area that most CWs will avoid. Usually if someone is that close to you, you are more worried about running away / controlling or pushing.
Get used to controlling people while they are in your face and unleashing a Sudden Storm on them. It will make people not want to get in your face as such again.
Right now most CWs are just using whatever allows them the fastest freeze time. And the most reliable way to keep freezing and controlling people.
I wouldn't spend too much time trying to get it set up for all of this as changes are coming down the line and Assailing force might not be anywhere near as good as it seems right now.
There are so many different ways to set up your CW and have it still be effective in PvP. It really is a great and flexible class.
I'm actually surprised more people aren't using CoI on tab. All you would need is to CoI them and RoF and they will be almost instantly frozen, if you are Oppressor with extra chill from RoF.
Test out different rotations on the Target Dummies. That is the best advice I can give you. See what Freezes a target fastest, if that's what you are going for. If that isn't the end goal then try out different spells that you can think of that would synergize well together.
While you are testing these on the dummies, make sure to also try out a spell rotation that is more pure damage focused with some control. Since Assailing force will be balanced out and most CWs will probably think it is unfair and worthless after this balance - it is safe to assume that you should try and stay ahead of the cookie cutter curve.
I am still surprised I don't see any CW's using Maelstrom of Chaos especially now that CW fights are usually Who gets CC'ed first loses.
Pro Tip, you can use Maelstrom of Chaos while you are controlled (except when proned) and it will break the CC and cast the spell. During this cast time you are still immune to CC and take greatly reduced damage.
To me it is more useful than Ice Knife. If you are a good CW especially with how things are working now you shouldn't ever need a Big nuke like that since you have the controls with free damage. What you could use as a CW is a way of CC immunity and a briefness of being tanky.
Hope this rant helps some people out in some way.
PVPer rocking it Solo queue style since the dawn of Neverwinter
Another spell that is really fun on tab is Steal Time xD get free sprint speed and CA. Also works really good if you are using Icy Terrain not on tab.
PVPer rocking it Solo queue style since the dawn of Neverwinter
I have a few ideas of my own, but now esp that assailing force is maybe not so good , and ogmas is not so great against CC (from the patch notes) I'm leaning away from thaum and more towards opressor.
I have always felt control and more control is good.
So Steal time will hit a rogue in stealth. I seldom use it cause the slow cast time, but I will have to give that a try.
COI gets dropped a lot and on tab it is a handy thing if you are heavy into chill n ice. IMHO
I keep wanting more slots to fill up.
I'm kinda leaning toward running storm spell and either chill or imposition for more control or damage. Not sure yet. I just lack time to go on preview and try all my ideas, so ya'll sharing with me is wonderful.
Thanks again.
A.
Doing it this way is most useful against melee players while you have them on Icy terrain, with CoI on tab as well. Pretty much grinds their move speed to a halt and stacks chill super quick. All the while CoI, IT, and Steal time are all causing procs. It is a fun set up for sure!
And the best part is because you shift cancelled steal time you will have it back up and ready by the time they can re-engage you at melee range.
PVPer rocking it Solo queue style since the dawn of Neverwinter