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adinosii
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Legit channel
I have been on the the legit channel since shortly after it got started, and have run many DDs with people there (usually with my main, Tanya). However, I am finding the channel is becoming less and less useful for the purpose of forming groups, and is kind-of degrading into a general chat channel.
Now, am I alone in thinking that while a little chat is just fine, there is a limit to it - go beyond that point and the channel becomes useless?
If you agree there is a problem, what can be done?
Legit guilds
I am interested in trying to make a list of guilds with a strictly "legit" policy. There are many such guilds, but some are quite small, and may frequently not have enough people online at the same time to make a guild group for DDs or skirmishes.
By creating such a list, I am hoping that some of those guilds might be able to make informal alliances - perhaps create shared chat channels to make it easier for guild members to run with like-minded people. I am aware of one such channel shared by the LGBT-friendly guilds, but that is not "legit"-focused as such.
So, how do I define a "legit guild" in this respect? Well, Some guilds have a strict "no glitching/cheating/exploiting" policy, but to give a concrete example, consider how a guild run of PK would work out - would the group members run through the last 5-6 mob groups and suicide at the last camp fire? If that is considered acceptable behaviour in the guild, I don't consider it a "legit" guild. On the other hand, I don't have an issue with pushing mobs off edges and so on - that's just an example of using game mechanisms the way they were intended to be used.
I have been on the the legit channel since shortly after it got started, and have run many DDs with people there (usually with my main, Tanya). However, I am finding the channel is becoming less and less useful for the purpose of forming groups, and is kind-of degrading into a general chat channel.
Now, am I alone in thinking that while a little chat is just fine, there is a limit to it - go beyond that point and the channel becomes useless?
If you agree there is a problem, what can be done?
Legit guilds
I am interested in trying to make a list of guilds with a strictly "legit" policy. There are many such guilds, but some are quite small, and may frequently not have enough people online at the same time to make a guild group for DDs or skirmishes.
By creating such a list, I am hoping that some of those guilds might be able to make informal alliances - perhaps create shared chat channels to make it easier for guild members to run with like-minded people. I am aware of one such channel shared by the LGBT-friendly guilds, but that is not "legit"-focused as such.
So, how do I define a "legit guild" in this respect? Well, Some guilds have a strict "no glitching/cheating/exploiting" policy, but to give a concrete example, consider how a guild run of PK would work out - would the group members run through the last 5-6 mob groups and suicide at the last camp fire? If that is considered acceptable behaviour in the guild, I don't consider it a "legit" guild. On the other hand, I don't have an issue with pushing mobs off edges and so on - that's just an example of using game mechanisms the way they were intended to be used.
Hoping for improvements...
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Yeah, you may be right .... I still think it would be a good idea to create a list of "legit" guilds, though - if nothing else, at least it would help some people find groups of like-minded people.
Hopefully, this is a sign of things to come- with him gone, there was actually space for people to try and form groups, and there was some of that going on. Maybe if the game is untrashed and the rampant publisher avarice is dialled back a bit (hopefully as the summer slack time ends too?), it will once more a good place for grouping- assuming whatever was done to Mr. Verbal is permanent.
I think it is a good idea to consolidate some of these legit guilds
Why not just keep prompting friendly reminders instead?
I know this morning, I pointed out to someone that claling out for speed run setups for t2s is kinda wrong for the channel, as someone kept on asking for multiple CWs for a Karru group.
The discussion amongst the players about the upcoming balance changes will die down eventually.
I just want to see a actual in game community, that at least sort of resembles others Ive played, if Legit dies, then this game is pretty much dead. Sure you can play it, but there is no more real MMO community and your left up to the horrors of LFG and Zone chats .
Its not bad to see fresh blood in the channel. Ya there are some outspoken individuals there, just put them on ignore for awhile if its too much =P.
Nothing is wrong with asking/answering something as long as its related to the purpose of the channel or the core of the game. Nothing is wrong with "yay! [Young Yeti]" as thats far from flooding the channel (i admit even i occassionally express myself especially when being drunk). Whats wrong is any form of discussion, which belongs to forums, guild or party chat or another custom channel or voice chat.
The channel purpose is clearly stated in its description. I prefer the channel to be silent rather than flooded, so one can easily read or write some lfg/lfm request. That someone is not interested in running anything out of dd hour or till next mod come live does not mean that nobody is, thus its not an excuse to participiate in a discusion/chitchat absolutely unrelated to the channel purpose and rendering it almost unusable for others.
Besides active moderation (which am not rly a fan of) and occasional bans, there is little help when too many (looks more like a majority) ppl willingly participiate in such behavior. Wish the ignore list get the option to add notes as the friendlist got and actually block both sides (ignored and ignoring) from all forms of mutual contact (chat, AH listing, grouping ...).
As for the guilds, many ppl who run "legits" are members of guilds with no such rules at all, so in the end twould result in a quite limited list (i guess).
I have one of those small guilds. If I'm in the group, at least, there is no exploiting or suicide running. Though, more often than not, we have fewer than 6 or 7 online at a time.
I have never seen anyone kicked for loot in a /legit run. I don't know where that is coming from. I have seen need/greed issues but that is because the /legit rules are to "greed everything", even green/blue items, and that is not the norm most anywhere else. But once people, particularly new people, are reminded of the /legit rules, I haven't seen any problems. These issues are generally resolved before the first boss fight anyway.
As far as the ragequitting goes: I confess, I was the ragequitter that @nubc3ke7331 is referring to. I don't mind players having high DPS. I don't mind players pulling huge mobs. What I do mind, and what the issue was in this particular dungeon run, was a high-DPS player pulling huge mobs that are too big for the rest of the team to handle, the rest of the team starts dying, but the high-DPS player keeps going *anyway* and continues to pull huge mobs. I believe that the players on a team should proceed through a dungeon that is comfortable for the entire team. If you have an issue with that, then don't team up with me in a dungeon. But it has nothing to do with whether a run is "legit" or not. I didn't leave the group because it wasn't "legit", I left because I could no longer stand how it was going. So, since someone brought up this incident, now you have the other side of the story.
All of that said, I am in a medium sized guild that runs dungeon delves the way Legit does. Greed everything and we run at the speed of the slowest person in the group. This has created some amazingly fun runs for me. Sure they take a bit longer than your typical legit runs, but its all about having fun more than anything else.
I for one will not give up on legit because, frankly, what other options are there? I don't see any. PE LFG is off limits. There are no other chat channels I know of. So except for quitting running dungeons all together except when I can with my guild I don't have many options.
I will be in your legit channel reminding people to try to stay positive and on topic.
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Someone bragging about 'When the enemy team in Domination PvP stays at their campfire, I glitch into their spawn, kills don't farm themselves'? May remain on the channel, because they obviously will play PvE legit, right?
Well with the chests dropping the same loot there isn't much motivation other than wanting items to salvage or a once in a blue moon boe drop to sell. With the economic reasons, it's actually more beneficial to run up another alt for proffessions. And if you need to gear up grinding IWD it's actually possible to get loot even if the glove / mh drop rate is low. I'd love to be working on my set pieces in the dungeons but since that can't happen......
well i wished to try to join ... but as you guys are describing it , its not worthy anymore... ill keep playing with my mates then.
better make a guild than a legit channel at this point .
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Do have a guildmate that is a glutton for punishment since he loves running dungeons. Don't think he does it off a separate channel though, think he just posts in main zone.
I never liked the legit channel.
Reasons are
1. what is legit anyway? Nearly every class has bugged and exploitable feats/powers/mechanics. Where do u draw the line? How can u know that some parts of a dungeon are really intented to be cleared? What is a mechanic to defeat a boss and what is not? And dont say its easy to clarify this. Its not. I have encountered players in legit who said pushing enemies is an exploit. Some gave said, its cheating to pull many mobs and clear them all. Some say its cheating to lure mobs into death (but actually in the first 10 levels of gameplay there is even an encounter which implies that u should do this, the ones with the spiders). Is dying at a campfire an exploit?
The truth is: none of us can say ic its WAI or just a random bug or an intentional exploit. Should I stop using Sun Burst because it bugs out dragons? There are bugs u cant even avoid. Its a thin line to say "you exploiter" or beeing a hypocrite.
With that beeing said
2. legit was always full of noobs, inexpierinced players and such but who think they know better… like this forum actually…
You can flame me now…
Anywho... all my characters are currently in my own "solo/rp" guilds, depicted as their "families" in the form of Houses and Clans. If you see me on any of my personalities, I only play legit and will aid when beckoned, if I can.
[House Ilyturials] is a Moon-Elven House from Myth Drannor.
[House Dae'Vesh] is an ancient Eilistrasee worshiping drow House from the Northdark.
[House Neirdre] is a Sun-Elven House from ancient Cormanthtyr.
[House Firehair] is a Human Noble House from pre-Spellplague Neverwinter.
[Evenbeard Clan] is a Mountain Dwarven Noble House from Waterdeep City.
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1. While it was originally created just to form dungeon teams w/ other non-cheaters, it has grown into a full community channel. Some like that addition, others do not. I prefer a more hands-off approach, and allowed the channel to grow and evolve.
2. I have recently posted that I am looking for more channel operators. I recognize that things can get out of hand as the channel continues to grow, and want to address it, but I also don't want the channel to become some police state where people can't chat and have fun. I want to add moderators, but I also don't want to stifle the channel and its members.
3. I appreciate everyone's zest for wanting to see their concerns addressed quickly and sternly, but I want to caution against diluting the community across too many different channels. I am happy that someone stepped up to create the party_monster channel strictly for team-making, and wish them the best.
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