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Confused about NW economics: Coal Ward and Lesser En. prices

fmultifmulti Member Posts: 59
edited July 2014 in General Discussion (PC)
So I got a Coal Ward from somewhere I can't really remeber (it's been with me for a while now). I recently looked at their price in the AH and they are FAR MORE EXPENSIVE than most (if not all, I couldn't be bothered to be thorough) Lesser Enchantments. How is that even possible, if you need four shards AND a Coal Ward to make a Lesser En.? I mean, I'll actually profit if I sell my Coal Ward and buy a Lesser En. Can anyone explain me why that is?

Also, is there any circumstance where it's more profitable to keep my ward than to sell it (for example, when making/buying a normal/perfect Enchantment)?

Thanks for the time =)
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  • karakla1karakla1 Member Posts: 1,355 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    How long was you absent?
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    Platypus wielding a giant hammer, your argument is invalild!
  • jennyavarieljennyavariel Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 167
    edited July 2014
    You need 16 Coal Wards to work up to a perfect. You can't really make a Perfect without a coal ward.

    By all means, if you can buy a lesser ( that you *want* ) for less than 500k AD, go for it, and sell the coal at a profit. But, you won't find any greaters / perfects for less than 500k. So, after lesser, you're going to be using coal wards to progress the enchant.
  • mconosrepmconosrep Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    This doesn't make any sense for rational HUMAN players......
  • ashnvfashnvf Member Posts: 294 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    It's because folks can get bound wards from invocation and from Tarmalane. Thus if they want to sell their "ward" they need to make a lesser and sell that. Thus there is more supply of lessers than there are of just wards.
  • karakla1karakla1 Member Posts: 1,355 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    mconosrep wrote: »
    This doesn't make any sense for rational HUMAN players......

    If you are half-orc it does (^.^)
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    Platypus wielding a giant hammer, your argument is invalild!
  • fmultifmulti Member Posts: 59
    edited July 2014
    ashnvf wrote: »
    It's because folks can get bound wards from invocation and from Tarmalane. Thus if they want to sell their "ward" they need to make a lesser and sell that. Thus there is more supply of lessers than there are of just wards.

    This actually makes a lot of sense, thanks!
    jennyavariel wrote: »
    You need 16 Coal Wards to work up to a perfect. You can't really make a Perfect without a coal ward.

    By all means, if you can buy a lesser ( that you *want* ) for less than 500k AD, go for it, and sell the coal at a profit. But, you won't find any greaters / perfects for less than 500k. So, after lesser, you're going to be using coal wards to progress the enchant.

    I'm not sure I see your point... Just checked and did some math up to normal with some popular enchants.

    As of right now, Coals are at 600k Ad each, while lesser Vorpals and Soulforged are around 540k, Terrors 400k and Plaguefire around 340k - so yeah, worth getting them ready instead of making them.

    Normal Vorpals are around 2,050k and would need two Lesser Vorpals (540+540=1080k), one G. mark of potency (100k now) and one Coal (600k) - so that's around 1,780k to make, plus whatever it takes to fill the refinement points.

    Other normals:
    To make price
    AH price
    Vorpal/Soulforged
    1,780k
    2,250k
    Plague fire
    1,480k
    1,990k
    Terror
    1,500k
    1,465k

    The to-make prices above do not include refinement points, so it would be arguably worth hand crafting a Vorpal, Soulforged or a Plague fire, but probably better getting a Terror ready from the AH (again, that puzzles me).

    Am I doing something wrong or is the math above correct?
  • tinukedatinukeda Member Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    fmulti wrote: »
    Am I doing something wrong or is the math above correct?

    You are doing nothing wrong. The AH listings are all about seeking profit.
    Sounds like a good opportunity to make some AD to me: buy 2 lessers and 1 CW; refine; sell Normal for much more than you spent.
  • asterotgasterotg Member Posts: 1,742 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    ashnvf wrote: »
    It's because folks can get bound wards from invocation and from Tarmalane. Thus if they want to sell their "ward" they need to make a lesser and sell that. Thus there is more supply of lessers than there are of just wards.

    This is the reason, btw. lesser plaguefire is a lootbox drop, so there is no ward involved.
    Chars: CW, DC, GF, GWF, HR and TR.
  • chrcorechrcore Member Posts: 329 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2014
    fmulti wrote: »
    This actually makes a lot of sense, thanks!
    Other normals:
    To make price
    AH price
    Vorpal/Soulforged
    1,780k
    2,250k
    Plague fire
    1,480k
    1,990k
    Terror
    1,500k
    1,465k

    The to-make prices above do not include refinement points, so it would be arguably worth hand crafting a Vorpal, Soulforged or a Plague fire, but probably better getting a Terror ready from the AH (again, that puzzles me).

    Am I doing something wrong or is the math above correct?

    You do have to include the cost of refining. Since they closed down the refining loophole, rank4,5 etc enchants are now more than double what they used to be. Likewise it's hard to find them in stacks of 99, making refining both expensive and extremely unfriendly.
  • ambisinisterrambisinisterr Member, Neverwinter Moderator Posts: 10,462 Community Moderator
    edited July 2014
    ashnvf wrote: »
    It's because folks can get bound wards from invocation and from Tarmalane. Thus if they want to sell their "ward" they need to make a lesser and sell that. Thus there is more supply of lessers than there are of just wards.

    There's the answer you seek.

    Coal Wards which do not come from the Zen Exchange are now BoP. As such people who aquire wards by alternative means will make lesser enchantments and sell them. Thus the supply of lesser enchantments exceeds the supply of Coal Wards.
  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    chrcore wrote: »
    You do have to include the cost of refining. Since they closed down the refining loophole, rank4,5 etc enchants are now more than double what they used to be. Likewise it's hard to find them in stacks of 99, making refining both expensive and extremely unfriendly.

    Peridots were generally more cost effective than rank 5s whenever the shards weren't the cost effective choice. Though I'm not sure what the replacement would be now, it's all expensive.
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