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ash1113ash1113 Member Posts: 94 Arc User
edited June 2014 in General Discussion (PC)
Hi! all

Hope this isnt the wrong section to post this thread.

i have been waiting for Zen exchange tab to have some offers but lately theres been little to no offers but at the same time Ad exchange is constantly filled up with offers 24/7...

why so!?

i had my chance and got some been awaiting more so as to get the amount of zen i need but seems it taking for ever...is this a problem of sorta or just another one of the changes by Devs/Mod3..and is it just me or more on the boat!?

thx
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  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited June 2014
    . . . Put in an offer and wait. What is happening is that all the offers already placed are being full-filled. You'll only see sale offers when there aren't any buy offers that match (or vice verse). Otherwise, the buy offers get sold to first. I've been watching it lately, as I have been transferring a lot of AD between characters lately, there are definitely people buying/selling Zen and AD. If you wait to put in an offer until you see a matching offer, you're just making it take longer for yourself.
  • gonaliusgonalius Member Posts: 847 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I had a look at the screen a couple of days ago during the CtA, and there were 127,000 Zen available at 500 a pop. I looked again yesterday and it was back to over 100,000 in arrears.
  • justsyndrajustsyndra Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I've got a website for tracking the exchange you might like to take a look at, here's a link that adds some stuff to the graph:

    http://nwzen.biz/?time=Days&number=7&timezone=-8.0&hourly=yes&showSell=yes&linec=9E5C9A&linec2=CCA300&ticks=15

    On the first graph, if there is only a purple line on the 500 AD line, then there was no Zen available to buy. If there is an orange line at that time, then there was zen available to buy @ 500 AD or lower.

    On the second graph down below, you can see how much Zen was requested at 500 AD per Zen. You can see this has gone done substantially over the past week. It will take a couple hours to get the Zen if there is a 'queue' at 500.
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  • degraafinationdegraafination Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    justsyndra wrote: »
    I've got a website for tracking the exchange you might like to take a look at, here's a link that adds some stuff to the graph:

    http://nwzen.biz/?time=Days&number=7&timezone=-8.0&hourly=yes&showSell=yes&linec=9E5C9A&linec2=CCA300&ticks=15

    On the first graph, if there is only a purple line on the 500 AD line, then there was no Zen available to buy. If there is an orange line at that time, then there was zen available to buy @ 500 AD or lower.

    On the second graph down below, you can see how much Zen was requested at 500 AD per Zen. You can see this has gone done substantially over the past week. It will take a couple hours to get the Zen if there is a 'queue' at 500.

    Love these trackers!

    Looks like we may need another AD sink coming soon. My suggestion? Black Ice Glove and Main Hand. I'm so sick of farming for my main hand. I haven't seen a single purple since the changes.
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  • sbgkjssbgkjs Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Can we get the price to drop some? 500 ad for 1 zen is ridiculous.
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  • mystagoguemystagogue Member Posts: 322 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    sbgkjs wrote: »
    Can we get the price to drop some? 500 ad for 1 zen is ridiculous.

    It's not ridiculous. It's how free markets work.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand
  • syka08syka08 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    magenubbie wrote: »
    Prices won't drop. Why not? Because sellers have got the taste of AD in their mouths. Now they know people will pay 500AD/zen they have absolutely no reason to lower the prices. Long live the free market.

    Sellers do, sure. But its really the buyer's fault at this point. If the requests for buying at 500 would be withdrawn, as well as 499 down to about 490, the system could potentially get jump started again into fluctuation and dropping. But that's my view on it. The egg event seemed to knock out a good chunk of the 500 ad/z but I guess it just wasn't quite enough.

    Of course, convincing thousands of people to not only not buy but withdraw their purchase requests at 500 is like trying to empty the atlantic ocean with a spoon.
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  • lewstelamon01lewstelamon01 Member Posts: 7,415 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    syka08 wrote: »
    Sellers do, sure. But its really the buyer's fault at this point. If the requests for buying at 500 would be withdrawn, as well as 499 down to about 490, the system could potentially get jump started again into fluctuation and dropping. But that's my view on it. The egg event seemed to knock out a good chunk of the 500 ad/z but I guess it just wasn't quite enough.

    Of course, convincing thousands of people to not only not buy but withdraw their purchase requests at 500 is like trying to empty the atlantic ocean with a spoon.

    I would have said a thimble, but....yeah, much the same point.
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  • justsyndrajustsyndra Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Love these trackers!

    Looks like we may need another AD sink coming soon. My suggestion? Black Ice Glove and Main Hand. I'm so sick of farming for my main hand. I haven't seen a single purple since the changes.

    Oh my god I would love that, I haven't been able to get the Mainhand on DC since Mod 3 came out.

    As a real AD sink, there's a ton of stuff in the anniversary event. If they make the new mount buy-able with AD, that'll be an even better sink than the chicken was. The Lira's event is just a week after too, and it's only a weekend long this time around.
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  • syka08syka08 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    magenubbie wrote: »
    In theory. But truth is, sellers can hold out much longer than buyers. Buyers really want that respec token. They are not going to wait for months till the prices drop to an acceptable level. By then they'll have made the 100k extra AD already. Maybe they'd wait for the more expensive stuff like mounts, but even then the sellers will hold out longer than the potential buyers.

    Hadn't factored that in. But we're all working in theories, so here' something else that popped into my mind.

    When you consider the hypothetical withdrawls of zen purchasing, it could also spur sellers to move their product so that they don't face as much of a "loss" so to speak. Which I suppose is what the egg event did. People needed to liquidate their dear stocks of Zen for AD to purchase the eggs, which thankfully reduced it from 1 million+ total in purchase requests down to a surplus of Zen to sell. A step in the right direction, as many would consider.

    Granted, dropping from 500 ad/z to 490 ad/z would only be a loss of 50k AD for a max stack of 5k Zen per transaction. Not something everyone would even glance at. But if prices continued to drop... well... who knows.

    I'm still optimistic that it'll drop, but until then it's been interesting to watch.
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  • angryspriteangrysprite Member Posts: 4,982 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    magenubbie wrote: »
    In theory. But truth is, sellers can hold out much longer than buyers. Buyers really want that respec token. They are not going to wait for months till the prices drop to an acceptable level. By then they'll have made the 100k extra AD already. Maybe they'd wait for the more expensive stuff like mounts, but even then the sellers will hold out longer than the potential buyers.

    This is true. But it's still the buyers who are willing to buy Zen at 500/1. I, as a Zen seller will always sell at the highest rate I can - so if there are three buy offers: 500/1, 400/1, 499/1 - which group do you think I'm going to sell my Zen to? of course the difference only amounts to a paltry 10,000 Astral Diamonds if I were selling a whopping 10,000 Zen (meaning the rates between 499 and 500/1 are meaningless in the end) because I can make that much in 8 hours in Leadership Profession while crafting. But, it's still a psychological thing to get the one extra extra Astral Diamond for each Zen I'm selling. (And, ironically, the Zen sell limit is 5,000 Zen per sale - so, yeah - there's a Cap for that ...too).

    If people would stop offering to buy Zen at 500/1 and instead all decided enough is enough only 400/1 will do - then guess what: the Zen sellers will sell for 400/1. But too many want that Zen now, Now, NOW! DAMMIT! They are impatient. So the sellers will not let a good taking-advantage-of go to waste.

    The Zen *buyers* have all the power to control the exchange rate. The problem is that the majority of them, apparently, don't have any *willpower* about it. Zen sellers only react to the market and get what they can. Zen buyers actually control how much the seller can get based on the value of the Astral Diamonds he has - and if he's willing to part with 500 AD for each Zen, then she values it not.

    FLIPSIDE: Because of the sudden scarcity of Coalescent Wards costs of enchantments are starting to rise exponentially in the Auction House, creating a new demand for more Astral Diamonds, hence once the shiny of Module 3 wears off, the ZAX Pendulum will begin to swing the other way as demand for AD grows and we then will witness the shrill shouts of the foul low-end cap of 50/1.

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  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    The system won't even let you sell to people with offers posted to buy at 499 if there are enough offers in place to buy at 500 that it uses up all the Zen being sold.

    As long as people keep posting requests to buy at 500, that's how it will be.
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  • angryspriteangrysprite Member Posts: 4,982 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    The system won't even let you sell to people with offers posted to buy at 499 if there are enough offers in place to buy at 500 that it uses up all the Zen being sold.

    You can post to buy Zen at any rate you choose - right down to 50/1. That AD will not be traded until all other pools of AD above it are depleted (this is why it is the safest rate to use when transferring AD from one alt to another).

    When selling Zen - you can offer to sell Zen at 50/1, HOWEVER, the system has a safety protection built-in and will (should) automatically sell your Zen at the highest rate available (this is not a bug, it is working as intended). And it makes a lot of sense as your Zen Point is worth more than even you are valuing it for. It is also designed for people who don't understand the trading rate ranges that well and undervalue their Zen accidentally (which happens a LOT).
  • ash1113ash1113 Member Posts: 94 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    ty to the Moderator...the idea worked...i finally got the amount of ADs i needed by just posting the requirement in offer and waiting for the day.. but true though that 1 zen/500ADs is a bit tooo much..but what ever theres nothing that i or anyone similar who doesnt like the idea can do :(

    :)
  • ash1113ash1113 Member Posts: 94 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    sadly now that i have the required zen i cant decide over 10 keys and stone...advantages are balanced out >:P...oh! well will figure out eventually i guess :)
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  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    magenubbie wrote: »
    It's account wide if I remember correctly, and will benefit you more in the long run.

    Only mounts are account-wide.
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  • ash1113ash1113 Member Posts: 94 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    yup done that already got me the stone instead and yes mounts are account wide the companion ( and i suppose other companions too) isn't account wide as i says bound to character... :)
  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited June 2014
    ash1113 wrote: »
    ty to the Moderator...the idea worked...i finally got the amount of ADs i needed by just posting the requirement in offer and waiting for the day.. but true though that 1 zen/500ADs is a bit tooo much..but what ever theres nothing that i or anyone similar who doesnt like the idea can do :(

    :)
    You're most welcome! :)
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