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lisyria
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 2 Arc User
Hello,
Firstly I would like to thank the devs, I am enjoying very much this game.
As a linux user I was wandering if there is any possibility to have official linux support for Neverwinter.
I am not asking for a native version (it would be wonderful if you could) but at least for an official wine-port.
I am running neverwinter perfectly with my Ubuntu 14.04 64bit and playonlinux, still it would be great if we could have official support within Steam.
Steam OS and the Steam Machines are coming soon, I would love to be able to play neverwinter on Steam OS.
Thank you for your time.
p.s. for the linux haters, yes I know that windows is the best OS in the universe, still there are people like me that have a different idea and prefer to use a linux based OS. Please be so kind to accept this post and do not start the usual poison splitting flaming war. Thanks.
Firstly I would like to thank the devs, I am enjoying very much this game.
As a linux user I was wandering if there is any possibility to have official linux support for Neverwinter.
I am not asking for a native version (it would be wonderful if you could) but at least for an official wine-port.
I am running neverwinter perfectly with my Ubuntu 14.04 64bit and playonlinux, still it would be great if we could have official support within Steam.
Steam OS and the Steam Machines are coming soon, I would love to be able to play neverwinter on Steam OS.
Thank you for your time.
p.s. for the linux haters, yes I know that windows is the best OS in the universe, still there are people like me that have a different idea and prefer to use a linux based OS. Please be so kind to accept this post and do not start the usual poison splitting flaming war. Thanks.
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Maybe that will change especially due to Steam OS but for now that is how it is.
Thanks for your support.
I am running Linux Kubuntu here and I can tell you that this reports higher FPS and fewer lags than my Vista. The Vista is on my Laptop and the Linux is on my desktop. I would have to ask my husband about the hardware but my Laptop is the newer machine. I always play here on Linux because it runs smoother on here. Maybe if I share my set up you can figure out why you believe it to be slow?
I am currently running Kubuntu 12.04 LTS with WINE version 1.5.31
I never launch with Arc or Steam, that could be why you are slowed down?
I use this bash script to launch Neverwinter;
export WINEDEBUG="-all"
cd "/media/c_drive/Cryptic"
wine Neverwinter.exe
I apologize for my lack of knowing about my hardware but this game functions very well in Linux with the WINE overlay.
A few others I've spoken to in game report a similar experience - are you guys not seeing this?
That's not really a surprise. Newer or not, laptop CPUs and GPUs are low voltage parts, designed for a much lower thermal/power envelope. Also, unless your laptop is the size of a small country and cost about as much, you tend to have a really weak graphics subsystem- even if it's an NVidia chip rather than an Intel integrated thingy. Even a cheaper low-midrange CPU and gaming-centric GPU in a full sized desktop will usually smoke most laptops at a fraction of the price for running games.
That aside, good to hear that you're having a good experience with WINE, always encouraging
Do you know which version of the DirectX renderer your Neverwinter client thinks it's using? If you go into options, and into.. umm graphics settings (not in front of NW right now), somewhere in Advanced, there's a dropdown where you can choose options like Auto, DX9, DX9ex, DX11 etc.. If you could take a look at that, maybe it would help some of the other posters get the game playable.
The Mac version of STO is using Transgaming's Cider, which is essentially a fork of WINE that's been super-optimized to games and is unfortunately pretty Mac-specific. Still, a lot of work on the engine to make it behave under Cider also improved generic WINE compatibility, such as the way the launcher no longer depends on Internet Explorer.
About the only thing you need to do to run the game under WINE now is turn on the WINEDEBUG="-all" environment variable to prevent performance-killing console spam.
And yeah, I know the performance isn't great under WINE. It's a little hard to trace down the performance bottlenecks when I don't have all the usual development tools available. Not to say I could necessarily even fix them if I did find them, but hopefully some of the new optimization work we're doing for Windows will also eliminate some of the big stalls that WINE users experience.
Cliff you have NO complaints from this WINE user. I am running about 30 to 40 FPS when I do the /showfps 1 in chat. Also my hubby says it is definitely not the hardware or the wifi. He programs firmware and told me this information about my desktop and laptop.
Desktop (this machine out performs my laptop running Window)
It is a 2.2 ghz dual core intel cpu with 2 GB RAM and ATI Radeon 6450 HD 1 GB RAM.
The Windows laptop is intel core i7 2.8 ghz 32 GB RAM and NVidia Geforce GTX 780M SLI
My hubby corrected me on this I called the windows "Vista" but I am running Window 7 on it. When I do the /showfps 1 I max out at 15 FPS about average is 8 FPS. My husband got me the laptop for Christmas but I asked why he can't put Linux on it? He said I need to wait for the drivers to be developed.
I hope this information helps someone, if not now, in the future.
--Additional Game Info--
In Options Menu try these video settings in the Video Tab. At the bottom check "Show Advance Video Settings"
In the first block set; Antialiasing to NONE and Dynamic Light OFF
In the second block set; Set all Detail at 100% and/or ON
In the third block; Effects ON, Reflections LOW, and Lens Flare OFF
I keep seeing the Linux users hating on xorg but I never had to deal with it. While I do admit to having an "in house geek support". I installed Linux with the download of the Live CD myself. Then my husband set up the drivers using additional drivers option. It has been running smooth as silk since. I honestly don't see much of a difference in the OS except this game (Neverwinter) which performs better here on my desktop. Most of the other games I am into are browser based. Well there is one other difference in the OS, I have no viruses and fewer crashes on this system compared to my laptop.
My husband said today, his official opinion is; "For whatever reason, Windows OS is hogging the resources from the game.".
It really doesn't matter to me, I just know what I like. If you need any questions answered about my settings, feel free to PM me.
Laptops tend to be built for efficiency. For some reason people seem to think they are supposed to be mobile and used without being plugged in. (half sarcasm, half seriousness. In 8 years of 4+ hours a day on the laptops I used maybe 3 hours of battery life total)
Even if on paper the parts are better the performance of laptop components are lower. The M versions of graphics cards for instance, while often named the same, have only a portion of the performance of their desktop equivalents. Without knowing specs it could be anything from inferior parts, inferior cooling and all the way to a placebo effect.
However one of my peeves people saying how _____ Operating System doesn't get viruses like Windows.
That is not true. The truth is there are less people using those operating systems.
If you look at viruses in a very simplistic definition they are really only made for two purposes: to grief others and to steal information.
The former are typically done by bratty kids like me who do it just because they can. They also typically learn how by tinkering with their computer which also happens to be a Windows OS.
The other type is actually an organised business more often than not. There is a lot of money in information especially about consumers so people develop malware to either steal direct money like credit card information or they sell information such as market demographics and spending habits. Logically if you can infect more people you get more return so they target the OS with the largest user base: Windows.
There are less viruses made for other operating systems because there is less random stuff made for them and less incentive to target them. My apologies but claims of superior security or virus protection on other operating systems is one of my big peeves as a tech junky.
2GB RAM better than 32GB RAM ???
ATI Radeon 6450 better than NVidia Geforce GTX 780M SLI
2.2 ghz dual core intel cpu better than intel core i7 2.8 ghz
I am not a hardware expert, aren't the bigger numbers better? lol
@Angrymanagement: I am using WINE overlay 1.5.31 (1.7.x is available but I don't "fix" stuff that works) I am not using Play on Linux, Codewevers (whatever that might be?), or the Arc launcher. I am using the Neverwinter launcher before this Arc appeared. IF you use Arc I know for a fact, (because I tried it) Arc consumes too many resources. It is a game killer and difficult to set up under WINE. If Arc ever becomes mandatory I won't be able to play, this is the only reason I am hesitant to spend cash on this game. I spent cash on Star Trek and other games before but since Arc came out I am uncertain.
The only thing I have set "different" in my registry is video memory to 1024. I believe WINE defaults to OpenGL?
I purged PulseAudio and I run straight ALSA. Also used winetricks to add IE8.
Non-mobile vs mobile graphics cards: You usually need a couple of generations before the mobile version catches up in performance. The graphics card is often a noticable source of performance in 3D games.
On the same hardware and on the same graphical opts you suffer from 0 to 80% frame rate slow, switching from win to linux, depending on what content you are doing.
Sitting on the camp fire the frame rate is near the same but in middle of fight you notice a severe frame rate drop. On windows the frame rate hasn't never gone under 15-20 fps. On the same content, with linux, i'm gone down to 4-5 fps.
I use a nvidia 650 ti and use the binary drivers from nvidia in both win and linux. You must disable shadow and in general have all graphics down in linux to have a workable game experience.
Although this is true for most of the laptops out there, here we are talking about a gtx780m sli with an i7 that goes way over 3ghz with speed boost. So a machine that can run any last gen game at 60/70fps on high details @1080p (look at notebookcheck). Sandukutupu u should try something like razer game booster to get rid fast of unwanted cr4p slowing down ur system while ur playing couse there's no way NWO runs at 15fps on ur lappy
Thank you for your answer.
Is there an official (unofficial) patch or even a tread where we could discuss about this? I'll be happy to help testing.
Regards
Do note CrypticCliff did respond to this thread though.
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