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c428c428 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited April 2014 in General Discussion (PC)
Can I use an Assistant Leatherworker to craft the highest level leatherworking items in the game, or do I need to purchase "profession booster packs" in the hope of getting Leatherworker resource drops that I can upgrade to higher levels?

Presumably the loot table of the booster packs is random and therefore does not guarantee a resource drop of any particular time. That could work out pretty expensive in real money for a supposedly free to play game.
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  • fusshupefusshupe Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    You can get the white (common) workers through the regular profession system. The conversion rate between the ranks is 4:1, so 4 rank 1 workers are fused into 1 rank 2 worker in a task that takes 18 h, and so on.
    Green, blue and purple workers come from packs, also the asset booster contains assets, which does not necessarily mean workers, but also tools.
    There is usually a special pack from lockboxes for one profession, atm it's alchemy, so if you are looking for that, search the auction house for it, as those tend to be a little cheaper.
  • c428c428 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Informative, but didn't answer the question.
  • morsitansmorsitans Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1,284 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2014
    Yes, you can craft the highest level items without paying, but the sort of things you'll be WANTING to craft at high level (like shirt/pants) usually have three 'tiers' of success, and doing it without any green/blue/purple tools will make tier2 success unlikely, and tier3 success impossible. Since tier3 is usually the result that has a socket, using green/blue/purp tools is more or less obligatory.

    You don't need to spend actual cash, though: all of these can be bought on the auction house for AD.
  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Or just buy the workers directly from the ah/ Probably your best option if you don't want to go through the time to craft the ones you can get for free. There's also a super rare chance of getting a green when upgrading to a t3 common worker but I wouldnt count on it.
  • w00trandomsnoobiw00trandomsnoobi Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 387 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    To get the best items, you need the purple assets, simple as that. And sure, you can buy them from the AH for about 2 million per asset.

    If you just want the shirts and pants, it's cheaper to buy them from the AH instead of making them by yourself.
  • morsitansmorsitans Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1,284 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2014
    'Course you can just sell the tools right back again once you're done...
  • mconosrepmconosrep Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    morsitans wrote: »
    'Course you can just sell the tools right back again once you're done...

    Well if the tools are 2million * 4 = 8 million AD, then that is 800 000K lost in AH fees....
  • rashylewizzrashylewizz Member Posts: 4,265 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2014
    You can just buy everything on the auction house........or farm AD by doing dungeons etc and convert it back to zen.

    I've bought lots of stuff on the zen store such as enchanted keys, account-wide mounts (hundreds of dollars worth of stuff) and never spent a single dime.
  • rashylewizzrashylewizz Member Posts: 4,265 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2014
    If you just want the shirts and pants, it's cheaper to buy them from the AH instead of making them by yourself.

    If OP really just wants the BIS shirts/pants, just go buy them at the auctionhouse. They are going for 120k ea.

    If you really can't make 240k diamonds (even in 3 months of sporadic playtime), then I don't know what to say anymore......
  • morsitansmorsitans Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1,284 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2014
    If you really can't make 240k diamonds (even in 3 months of sporadic playtime), then I don't know what to say anymore......

    Bad argument. It assumes that the ONLY thing you're going to buy with ALL your AD is "shirt and pants".

    It's like saying "this sports car is only $50k, and if you can't make that in a year of work, I don't know what to say anymore...": it neglects to factor in that you'd only buy a sports car with disposable income, after rent, food, bills etc. In three months of sporadic playtime after hitting 60, you'll probably need to buy a lot of boons, dungeon keys, marks, wards and other sundry expenses, so it's not as straightforward as you make out.
  • dragoness10dragoness10 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 780 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    BARTER!

    I got a purple rank Hero for Leadership through barter. I've gotten Residuum through barter. No need for AD or gold if you barter.

    Take your not needed enchants or non-bound gear and swap them with somebody. Try the trade channel, or ask around in your friends and guild group.
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  • angryspriteangrysprite Member Posts: 4,982 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    You can just buy everything on the auction house........or farm AD by doing dungeons etc and convert it back to zen.

    I've bought lots of stuff on the zen store such as enchanted keys, account-wide mounts (hundreds of dollars worth of stuff) and never spent a single dime.

    And THIS is the beauty of the Cryptic free-to-play system and why any and all naysayers about anything economic in-game should pipe-down. There is *nothing* you cannot do in this game without paying any real money. Yes, even the cosmetic/convenience/speed-up items only available in the Z-Store can be had without spending any real money at all.
  • rollingonitrollingonit Member Posts: 1,322 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    And THIS is the beauty of the Cryptic free-to-play system and why any and all naysayers about anything economic in-game should pipe-down. There is *nothing* you cannot do in this game without paying any real money. Yes, even the cosmetic/convenience/speed-up items only available in the Z-Store can be had without spending any real money at all.

    What about the promotional zen bonus stuff aren't those BoA? and require a zen purchase eh eh eh jk. Sprite is right you can earn "all" in-game just takes time or cleverness.
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  • angryspriteangrysprite Member Posts: 4,982 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    What about the promotional zen bonus stuff aren't those BoA? and require a zen purchase eh eh eh jk. Sprite is right you can earn "all" in-game just takes time or cleverness.

    Good point as that is a "transfer Zen" promotion, rather than just a "spend Zen" promotion. YAGOTMEEEE. I am so epicfailzderp ;-)
  • tornnomartornnomar Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 403 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    OP, check with your friends or Guild. Some Guilds are very helpful in that they may have these tools/assets available to their members for use.
    If your friends or Guild doesn't do this, or don't have the tools you can just grind it out as many a player has. Nothing in this game is instantaneous unless you have friends like Mr. Visa and Mrs. Mastercard.
    If your the type who has to "have it now!" then, yes you'll have to open your wallet.
  • melodywhrmelodywhr Member Posts: 4,220 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    c428 wrote: »
    Can I use an Assistant Leatherworker to craft the highest level leatherworking items in the game, or do I need to purchase "profession booster packs" in the hope of getting Leatherworker resource drops that I can upgrade to higher levels?

    Presumably the loot table of the booster packs is random and therefore does not guarantee a resource drop of any particular time. That could work out pretty expensive in real money for a supposedly free to play game.

    let's take a step back for a minute.

    building professions is not a requirement to getting a character from level 1 to 60. professions, in my opinion, is something that you can build up to acquire AD through either leadership tasks or by crafting shirts/pants and possibly dyes/potions. in my opinion, it's more of an endgame project than a requirement.

    because of the way the economy works in neverwinter, you don't have to pay real money to acquire 99% of the items that exist.

    of course, if you don't want to go the time-investment route, then you can simply buy zen and directly buy what you want from the auction house. if you know exactly what you want, then you may find that directly buying from the AH is a more economical choice than trying to win items from the professions booster packs. that's not to say that you couldn't benefit from the gambling nature of the booster packs, but it is a gamble.

    and it's not the workers that you need to have at epic level, it's the tools. epic level workers only shorten the time length of the task. the tools increase the quality.

    if you don't want to get involved with professions but want the highest level items from that profession, buy them from the AH. it would be much cheaper to do this than to invest in leatherworking tools.
  • yyrkoonstyphoonyyrkoonstyphoon Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 231 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    If you want the pants and shirt, you need to have the tools - or you can go purchase them for ad on the AH. i have 9 toons, and I would still recommend just purchasing this gear as you need it rather than investing in the tools . I have bought plenty of Packs and you mostly get people not tools, and often the tools you get are not the ones you need. In addition to the many packs I have purchased, I have spent a ton of ad on tools. If you have 4 purple tools, you still have a 40% chance of not getting the slotted pants/shirt. Given the fact that dragon eggs (the primary ingredient) cost more than what you can sell a 'Failed' purple for (no slot == fail), and the fail rate is amazingly high (if only my enchants with a 40% success completed at similar rate...) my last 4 pants no slot... i know I am not a lucky guy.

    I have been working on getting the right tools well over a year and assumed I would eventually be able to earn it back in the long run... the other day I went out and just bought the pants and shirts I had planned to make. So long story short, unless you are sitting on a stack of eggs, dont even start down this path, oh, if you are sitting on a stack of eggs, they are at the highest price i can remember (and within weeks of the event that produces the most of them) just sell the eggs for the pants and shirts.


    as mentioned epic professionals only shorten time, but do not increase the quality of the item produced. To me, this is a short fall of the system, as an epic or expert professional would more likely produce the higher quality gear, good tools in a fools hands.. Personally, if i am using all purples (4 tools and a professional), I should have almost a 100% chance of success to create tier 3 gear. the current 40% fail rate is too high for this to be a path to really consider.

    you do not need colored tools to make the reinforced versions of bracers and such either.
  • grogthemagnifgrogthemagnif Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,651 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    To open 2 of the crafting slots 100% speed (you will need 4 blue professionals - or 2 purple leadership professionals) and Tier 3 Result (you will need at least 2 purple and 1 blue [4% tier 3 chance] tools to 4 purple [60% tier 3 chance]).
  • rashylewizzrashylewizz Member Posts: 4,265 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2014
    morsitans wrote: »
    Bad argument. It assumes that the ONLY thing you're going to buy with ALL your AD is "shirt and pants".

    It's like saying "this sports car is only $50k, and if you can't make that in a year of work, I don't know what to say anymore...": it neglects to factor in that you'd only buy a sports car with disposable income, after rent, food, bills etc. In three months of sporadic playtime after hitting 60, you'll probably need to buy a lot of boons, dungeon keys, marks, wards and other sundry expenses, so it's not as straightforward as you make out.

    That's fine. It doesn't make you any less of a person if you haven't managed to get 240k diamonds in 3 months of playing. But you can't be making these statements:
    c428 wrote: »
    That could work out pretty expensive in real money for a supposedly free to play game.
    insinuating cash-gating when its obvious you haven't even put forth any EFFORT into EARNING anything in the game in 3-months of playtime.
  • c428c428 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    That's fine. It doesn't make you any less of a person if you haven't managed to get 240k diamonds in 3 months of playing. But you can't be making these statements:
    insinuating cash-gating when its obvious you haven't even put forth any EFFORT into EARNING anything in the game in 3-months of playtime.

    I have plenty of diamonds. I didn't realize the profession assets were tradeable since so far I have been leveling my professions without any outside assistance.
  • ryugasiriusryugasirius Member Posts: 996 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    c428 wrote: »
    Can I use an Assistant Leatherworker to craft the highest level leatherworking items in the game, or do I need to purchase "profession booster packs" in the hope of getting Leatherworker resource drops that I can upgrade to higher levels?

    The question is if you will ever need professions to get the highest level items in game. The actual "highest level items" you can get with professions, are shirts and pants with enchantment slots. And no, you can't craft them with "white" items, you will need a huge investment (several milions of AD) to be able to craft them, and that makes sense only if you are going to make it a "job" (crafting stuff for sale).

    If you only want to get them for yourself, then it is far easier (and cheaper) to buy them from the AH. You can buy the purple version for some 120-140k AD, but you can also save some money and buy the blue ones for 20-40k, the difference is only 50 stat points (230 blue vs 280 purple total stats or so).
  • rashylewizzrashylewizz Member Posts: 4,265 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2014
    c428 wrote: »
    I have plenty of diamonds. I didn't realize the profession assets were tradeable since so far I have been leveling my professions without any outside assistance.

    If you have plenty of diamonds, then pretty much anything from the zen store is up for grabs for you.

    Nothing to ever pay real money for.
  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    The question is if you will ever need professions to get the highest level items in game. The actual "highest level items" you can get with professions, are shirts and pants with enchantment slots. And no, you can't craft them with "white" items, you will need a huge investment (several milions of AD) to be able to craft them, and that makes sense only if you are going to make it a "job" (crafting stuff for sale).

    If you only want to get them for yourself, then it is far easier (and cheaper) to buy them from the AH. You can buy the purple version for some 120-140k AD, but you can also save some money and buy the blue ones for 20-40k, the difference is only 50 stat points (230 blue vs 280 purple total stats or so).
    Plus the enchantment slot. The shirts are pretty cheap considering the 50k eggs.
  • rashylewizzrashylewizz Member Posts: 4,265 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2014
    frishter wrote: »
    Plus the enchantment slot. The shirts are pretty cheap considering the 50k eggs.

    Both the blue and purple shirt and pants have skews that have enchantment slots
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