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Ioun stones?

rumple9rumple9 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 11 Arc User
edited March 2014 in General Discussion (PC)
Does it make sense to put Eldritch enchantments on these Augment companions which give an added % of pets ratings to the player or not ?

I put 2 eldritch on mine and not sure if I should have any on
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  • ordensmarschallordensmarschall Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1,060 Bounty Hunter
    edited March 2014
    No. The Ioun Stones already give you 100% of their stats. Use enchantments that boost an area you are weak in.
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  • bioshrikebioshrike Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,729 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    OP, there is a point at which the eldritch enchant *does* provide a better return on the stats that the stone gives you, but a lot relies upon what other runes, gear, and enchants you have slotted in said stone. You'd have to check with someone whose better at crunching the numbers than I...
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  • pitshadepitshade Member Posts: 5,665 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Using Rank 6s and Grand items you break even using an Eldritch item.

    Grand Somebody's Item of Something is 150 in three stats, so 450. Add a rank 6 (150pts) and you have a total of 600 pts. Multiply that by three and you have 1800. Add 300 more for two rank 6 runes in the offense slots for a total of 2100. A rank 6 Eldritch is +7%, so that's 147pts instead of 150.

    Using the same items with Rank 7s, you get 450+185 per item so 635. Multiply by 3 and you have 1905. Add 185x2=370 for a total of 2275. Multiply that by 7.5% for a rank 7 Eldritch and you get 170, so at this point you're losing 15pts of stats.

    Scaling down, with rank 5s you'll end up with 117 for an Eldritch and 120 for another rune. Obviously, using different ranks or other gear on the stone will affect the number slightly. So for pure stat purposes it's not going to give you more. However, the reason people do it is to gain more offensive stats rather than the otherwise obligatory defensive stat since the game favors offense over defense past a certain level of gear. This is especially true when everything is softcapped and only Power is going to be useful.
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  • ambisinisterrambisinisterr Member, Neverwinter Moderator Posts: 10,462 Community Moderator
    edited March 2014
    Eldritch stones give a percentage of the total stats on the Ioun Stone.

    As such they do give better bonuses after a point. It is not that it allows you to get more offensive stats. It does grant more points than other enchantments depending on what gear you have on your Ioun Stone and what rank the enchantment is.

    You really have to do the math to see if you are at that point though.
  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    You can also put enchants in the items the stone has too which should get added to the total stats.
  • nukainotasnukainotas Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I have read somewhere, that it only gives percents from BASE companion stats, which means it doesn't include gear, enchants and runes that you have equipped your companion with.
  • pointsmanpointsman Member Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Not true - Eldritch in defense slot gives a percentage of all the stone's stats, base stats and gear stats and rune stats and enchant stats combined.
  • mconosrepmconosrep Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    pointsman wrote: »
    Not true - Eldritch in defense slot gives a percentage of all the stone's stats, base stats and gear stats and rune stats and enchant stats combined.

    Yep, last time I saw a post where someone showed their results this was what they found. Haven't seen any confirmation recently though.
  • wingedkagoutiwingedkagouti Member Posts: 275 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    mconosrep wrote: »
    Yep, last time I saw a post where someone showed their results this was what they found. Haven't seen any confirmation recently though.
    I did a quick check a few weeks back and Eldritch Runestones still give a percentage of the total stats.
  • pitshadepitshade Member Posts: 5,665 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    The extra stats are added but don't show up on the companion stats listing. You can check by adding up the numbers with and without the stone summoned.
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  • ambisinisterrambisinisterr Member, Neverwinter Moderator Posts: 10,462 Community Moderator
    edited March 2014
    They won't show up on the companion.

    Eldritch stones give the summoner a percentage of the companion's stats.
    In other words it doesn't increase the stones stats, it increases your stats based on a percentage of the Ioun Stone's total stats.
  • vvv459vvv459 Member Posts: 161 Bounty Hunter
    edited March 2014
    It's usually best to get a stone with 3 offense slots instead of Allure. They require 500k more in upgrade but ultimately are much better.
  • mconosrepmconosrep Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    vvv459 wrote: »
    It's usually best to get a stone with 3 offense slots instead of Allure. They require 500k more in upgrade but ultimately are much better.

    Debatable as with a high level Eldritch Runestones you will get more stats overall from an Allure. For me it is the active bonus that I feel can be more significant.
  • thesensaithesensai Member Posts: 637 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    mconosrep wrote: »
    Debatable as with a high level Eldritch Runestones you will get more stats overall from an Allure. For me it is the active bonus that I feel can be more significant.

    I guess it would depend if you want different stats in each slot, or are stacking just a couple stats. more offense slots means you could put a different stat in each slot. if you JUST wanted to stack power, eldritch 6+ in defensive slots and power in any offensive slots would be better.
  • wingedkagoutiwingedkagouti Member Posts: 275 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    thesensai wrote: »
    I guess it would depend if you want different stats in each slot, or are stacking just a couple stats. more offense slots means you could put a different stat in each slot. if you JUST wanted to stack power, eldritch 6+ in defensive slots and power in any offensive slots would be better.
    The gear can easily take care of that if you want multiple stats.
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