Well anyone who says they have been one-shoted prove themselves a liar... skill does like no damage when you have 100% hp it only gives big numbers when you are close to death... useful for annoying immortal gwfs :P.
Did you actually PvPed after Tenacity introduction?!?
Okay, your experience may vary, I'm currently playing a rogue, ranger and control wizard. I have been on the giving and receiving end of Shocking Execution many times.
Only once have I executed someone who was at near full hit points. My experience is 'far' more often than not that they survive the attack if they are above 50% hit points, on occasion they have survived it while being under 50% hit points.
I have survived SE several times on all of my characters (rogue, ranger & control wizard).
Also, I have had my SE attack interrupted several times.
I'm an average PvP PUG player and I really don't see an issue with SE in its current state.
Just my average two cents.
I play the same mix of classes and my experience is basically identical.
I've seen people dodge my SE a number of times too, mainly CW's teleporting out of the way, and probably getting too far away for the skill to connect.
The only way to avoid SE is to escape the AOE - basically get too far away. This means you have to get lucky or have lightning reflexes. It has happened to me (on both ends of the skill) a few times but far more often than not it hits.
The other issue is that a miss doesn't drain AP, so you can just fire the skill again right away.
Yeah, I agree that most of the times they just got lucky, they weren't actively trying to avoid it, they just used some teleport and got out of the area.
Most of the times it doesn't drain the ap and I can cast it right away, but yesterday it DID spend my points, it was weird. It was a CW that used teleport and got out of the area, and had like 15-20% of his HP so he should have died, my points were spent though.
Maybe someone else got just in teh way and received it instead?
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millertime197933Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 124Bounty Hunter
edited March 2014
SE is no more powerful than a CWs ice knife or a GWFs Crescendo. I would say those are actually more powerful as they are dependent upon your being at half life to actually do decent dmg.
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mentaltelepathyMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 15Arc User
SE is no more powerful than a CWs ice knife or a GWFs Crescendo. I would say those are actually more powerful as they are dependent upon your being at half life to actually do decent dmg.
You have to be kidding me. Even top end rogues call SE a cheese move. There is not one other skill in all of PvP I have any problem with. Only shocking execution.
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adernathMember, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
SE is no more powerful than a CWs ice knife or a GWFs Crescendo. I would say those are actually more powerful as they are dependent upon your being at half life to actually do decent dmg.
As already observed by me and others, you receive way more damage from SE even at almost full hp than crescendo or ice knife.
And those who argue that because it has 'execution' it its description its effect should be treated by its name: this is a bogus argument. If you would follow that argument, then every hunter would one-shot people with his 'extremely deadly' aimed shot (and everyone who is playing in PvP knows that you can not compare aimed shot in its damage with SE).
Suggestions to improve NW:
- Dualspec
- Better rewarding foundry and foundry pvp maps
- Custom PvP leagues with leaderboards instead of the current 'matchmaking'.
- Armory
- make jumping cost stamina (to reduce hopping in pvp)
"And those who argue that because it has 'execution' it its description its effect should be treated by its name: this is a bogus argument."
+1
Totally agree.
really hilarious argument.
What they said ? "well since it is shocking execution it means that kills people outright.That's ok that does 50h hp dmg'
ok let't turn the table.Gf has en encounter Griffon's Wrath.:) Yes you angered a mighty Griffon and grabs you.So you must die.That is what the title says.I demand 50k hp dmg.
Crescendo.An enraged GF goes into a crescendo with his sword.That's right you must die.I demand 50k hp dmg
CW has Ice Knive.That's right you angered the deity of the CW and an Ice Knive descends from the mighty sky.It must have 50k ho dmg.
And it goes on.....
SE is no more powerful than a CWs ice knife or a GWFs Crescendo. I would say those are actually more powerful as they are dependent upon your being at half life to actually do decent dmg.
Which, is exactly the reason why the key to "balancing" SE lies in not with damage, but with defense against it.
Crescendo coming? Dodge. A CW giving off the audible **ching ching** queue? Dodge....The TR jumping up, making that deep farting sound **vrrrrrrrrrrrrmmmm**, and telegraphs the attack coming from 1 million light years away?
... Die.
No dodge, no deflect, no invincible dailies, no stealth, nothing. Nothing except the GF with his shield. Drop dead face-down on the spot.
...This is what I propose -- increase the activation speed of SE. The TR immediately jumps up to full height, no slow-motion shi*, and then just lands attack immediately when reaches apex of jump.
No nerf to damage. Heck, I don't care even if it does 100k damage.
Just let it be doded/teleported/shifted away from like any other power, any other daily. If the TR lands that cheesy SE on me with impeccable timing, so I don't even see it coming, or I have no dodges left? That's good. Nice shot. Well timed, bravo. No qualms at all.
But when the guy just lazily activates it at any timing, and there's no way for me to avoid that? Bullcrap. It's simply no-brainer, zero-skill easymode. Who the heck needs any skill when you don't need to consider any of the factors that normally requires to be considered when trying to land an attack against people?
C'mon fellow TRs. Both you know and I know that the probability of a freak accident happening with SE that just blows AP without any effect, is very low and unlikely. Both you know and I know that as long as you get that full AP, it's gonna hit, and you're probably going to win. Doesn't matter even if its keltz0r you're fighting against. As long as somebody gangs up and brings down his health 40~50%, you know you're going to land that SE, and you know you're gonna kill him. Ain't got nothing to do with skill, this power. You know this.
Stop making excuses. Be a man. If you know something to be broken, stop using it. Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
Which, is exactly the reason why the key to "balancing" SE lies in not with damage, but with defense against it.
Crescendo coming? Dodge. A CW giving off the audible **ching ching** queue? Dodge....The TR jumping up, making that deep farting sound **vrrrrrrrrrrrrmmmm**, and telegraphs the attack coming from 1 million light years away?
... Die.
No dodge, no deflect, no invincible dailies, no stealth, nothing. Nothing except the GF with his shield. Drop dead face-down on the spot.
...This is what I propose -- increase the activation speed of SE. The TR immediately jumps up to full height, no slow-motion shi*, and then just lands attack immediately when reaches apex of jump.
No nerf to damage. Heck, I don't care even if it does 100k damage.
Just let it be doded/teleported/shifted away from like any other power, any other daily. If the TR lands that cheesy SE on me with impeccable timing, so I don't even see it coming, or I have no dodges left? That's good. Nice shot. Well timed, bravo. No qualms at all.
But when the guy just lazily activates it at any timing, and there's no way for me to avoid that? Bullcrap. It's simply no-brainer, zero-skill easymode. Who the heck needs any skill when you don't need to consider any of the factors that normally requires to be considered when trying to land an attack against people?
C'mon fellow TRs. Both you know and I know that the probability of a freak accident happening with SE that just blows AP without any effect, is very low and unlikely. Both you know and I know that as long as you get that full AP, it's gonna hit, and you're probably going to win. Doesn't matter even if its keltz0r you're fighting against. As long as somebody gangs up and brings down his health 40~50%, you know you're going to land that SE, and you know you're gonna kill him. Ain't got nothing to do with skill, this power. You know this.
Well, IMHO SE's dmg comes with dependency on the life % remaining. Nothing wrong with that like you mentioned and i agree with it.
However it is the hitting part that some are unpleasant with (which likely when low is life you still want to fight and don't use your brain to keep a distance or run and later hit by SE then crying for a nerf), and so If you suggest to make it able to "dodge" away, to be fair remove every other daily which is a sure hit such as cresendos, Indomitable strength, forest walk, etc. And to be even fairer since you want every class to be "fair", make everyone's AP gain homogeneously. So you don't see CW spam ice knife every rotation, etc etc.
Fyi my TR/GWF/DC with decent gears has never once died by SE in full or 45% life. (Unless you are really spec for pure dmg i may likely die in 40-45%, contrariwise you are squishy that's the fact). So ppl pls don't exaggerate the numbers.
However it is the hitting part that some are unpleasant with (which likely when low is life you still want to fight and don't use your brain to keep a distance or run and later hit by SE then crying for a nerf), and so If you suggest to make it able to "dodge" away, to be fair remove every other daily which is a sure hit such as cresendos, Indomitable strength, forest walk, etc. And to be even fairer since you want every class to be "fair", make everyone's AP gain homogeneously. So you don't see CW spam ice knife every rotation, etc etc.
...so which of them is an auto-hit mega-damage power like the SE again?
Don't even think of bringing the "homogenous" argument to use as an excuse in hopes to stop a nerf which is rightfully expected.
Fyi my TR/GWF/DC with decent gears has never once died by SE in full or 45% life. (Unless you are really spec for pure dmg i may likely die in 40-45%, contrariwise you are squishy that's the fact). So ppl pls don't exaggerate the numbers.
Which has, like, zero relevance to the issue at hand. The only thing relevant is there is a power which is undodgeable. And in a game where a squishy's defense mechanics almost solely depends on timed dodges, a power that ignores almost every possible defense mechanic and just guarantees a hit is by definition overpowered even without considering its damage.
I sincerely hope you weren't part of the "fix the undodgeable Constricting Arrow, Grasping Roots" crew, because any TR who supported that those powers get fixed, is simply a hypocrite if he does not support the undodgeability of SE get fixed.
Stop making excuses. Be a man. If you know something to be broken, stop using it. Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
I survive SE hits all the time. On all three toons. The only time it kills me is when I'm on low HP - which is WAI. I have never once been one-shotted from anything over 50% health, even on my CW.
Maybe I've just been incredibly lucky? Seems unlikely.
I survive SE hits all the time. On all three toons. The only time it kills me is when I'm on low HP - which is WAI. I have never once been one-shotted from anything over 50% health, even on my CW.
Maybe I've just been incredibly lucky? Seems unlikely.
And how long do you survive after that?
Stop making excuses. Be a man. If you know something to be broken, stop using it. Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
I survive SE hits all the time. On all three toons. The only time it kills me is when I'm on low HP - which is WAI. I have never once been one-shotted from anything over 50% health, even on my CW.
Maybe I've just been incredibly lucky? Seems unlikely.
You sound like someone who only play pug PVP and are lucky enough to never run into a well geared TR.
Tbh, I have no clue why there is an argument about this at all. An undodgable power, any power, in a PvP setting? Nevermind the hilarious damage it can do, undodgable in PvP is a big fat NO. That is why people call it "I Win Button". Because it requires ZERO skill on the TR's part and it can very well end the fight right then and there. Sure it has been there since the start but that does not make it suitable for PvP. If you really have a hard time grasping why this power is not suited for PvP then I will pose a suggestion that I am sure all TR kids can relate to. Imagine if they made CW's Ice Knife undodgable and able to hit for the same damage. Hoho, it would be funny as hell because not a single TR could whine about it. But as it is right now the IK deals 10k on a good crit and it sounds like a fire alarm before hitting, giving you all the time in the world to step aside.
If you want to add to that argument, imagine that the CW used it from stealth and you had no idea what was coming.
You sound like someone who only play pug PVP and are lucky enough to never run into a well geared TR.
Yup, I'm one of the 90-odd percent who only PUG in PvP. Can't say whether I've never run into a well-geared Rogue or not, but it seems improbable given the number of rouges in PvP and the number of matches I've played.
Or are we saying that SE is only a problem for the small percentage of elite players at the very top of the tree?
Or are we saying that SE is only a problem for the small percentage of elite players at the very top of the tree?
Been hit for 27K SE crit by pretty noobish r6-7 TR with Perfect Vorpal, while I was at 80% HP. Even the guys without wep enchant will crit for 16-17K - while I am above 50% HP
So... yeah.
Hard to understand this thing goes through every protection layer? While all other DPS has been nerfed severely by Tenacity?
Shocking Execution's damage does not matter, neither does it's increased damage bonus requirement. It's the mere fact that it's undodgeable. And if this were any other game, this would mean, yes, it is broken.
This game isn't Ragnarok Online, World of Warcraft, or any other click/tab MMO. This game uses a semi-action combat system. And when I say semi, it's because unlike Dragon Nest, La Tale, Vindictus, etc.., one does not have full control over actions, unaided by auto targeting and whatnot (I really wish Cryptic went the full action route but they expected the average players to find manual aiming a tad too hard... lol).
So basically to achieve near balance in any action based game specially fighting games or in this case, Player-vs-Player, it's standard to have almost all moves be BLOCKABLE and for anything that isn't blockable, they are and should be DODGEABLE. It's a golden rule, any move that violates this rule is broken. Now this game doesn't provide a blocking option to all classes like other MMOs (eg. RaiderZ) so everything, and I mean EVERY SINGLE OFFENSIVE MOVE, should be DODGEABLE.
Shocking Execution needs to become dodgeable. No IFs, no BUTs. Period.
PS. For people who do not get this (ie. those who do not give a <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> about skill based combat), I recommend playing something... a little bit more dated. I-WIN buttons are a dime a dozen in those games. Cheers.
its times like this im glad pwe doesnt listen to your suggestions
you got killed by an assassin? sad story
i already quit dc since the last nerf, im running out of classes to play, stop nerfing everything
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willsommersMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 103
edited March 2014
Hard to understand this thing goes through every protection layer?
It can be deflected, and is quite regularly. I assume if I use it on a combat HR It'll be deflected more often than not. Above 50% it is not a one shot then even crit.
way more damage from SE even at almost full hp than crescendo or ice knife.
So striker class doing more damage than defender or controller? Quick nerf. OP.
SE has been nerfed already, it used to do enough damage to even be useful in PVE (imagine that). Pretty much all of TR damage has been nerfed into ground because of ppl with slow reaction times.
Prior to mod 3 I'd have a much better chance one shotting someone with lashing blade vs shocking execution. But hey this game wants PVP to be a boring, snoozefest war of attrition. Which it is.
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pers3phoneBanned Users, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
It can be deflected, and is quite regularly. I assume if I use it on a combat HR It'll be deflected more often than not. Above 50% it is not a one shot then even crit.
So striker class doing more damage than defender or controller? Quick nerf. OP.
SE has been nerfed already, it used to do enough damage to even be useful in PVE (imagine that). Pretty much all of TR damage has been nerfed into ground because of ppl with slow reaction times.
Prior to mod 3 I'd have a much better chance one shotting someone with lashing blade vs shocking execution. But hey this game wants PVP to be a boring, snoozefest war of attrition. Which it is.
This is about PvP not PvE. Nobody cares if you deal 300K lashings on bosses. I do care when some newbie TR hits my 35K HP 20% Tenacity 31% DR CW for 20k+ damage while I'm at almost full HP, and I cannot dodge it.
All damage was nerfed. SE is out of line. Put it where it belongs, ie together with the rest of the pack.
Also not our fault it's a war of attrition, take that out on the devs. I personally asked for Tenacity to never hit Live yet it did, GG.
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willsommersMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 103
edited March 2014
I do care when some newbie TR hits my 35K HP 20% Tenacity 31% DR CW for 20k+ damage while I'm at almost full HP, and I cannot dodge it.
And that's exactly what a TR is supposed to do. CW is a control class not a damage class. It SHOULD do less damage than a TR. A TR should be able to one shot you if it gets the drop on you. The fact that they slowed down, dumbed down PVP (all 2 maps of it) is ridiculous. The slowest most boring pvp since people have been playing against each other over modems. Doom had more exciting PVP. It's a joke.
Just be glad you aren't be killed by TRs using lurkers (again nerfed) with tens and cloud of steel.
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pers3phoneBanned Users, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
A TR should be able to one shot you if it gets the drop on you.
Nice bait. If you think like this, the argument is over from my part.
BTW, devs tried to removes exactly this part from the game - who gets in first rotation wins.
You do know that the current BiS permas are either hidden either CC immune almost all time? While dealing damage with their <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> PotB and at wills, then SEing you? You think this is OK? Fine by me... suit yourself.
...so which of them is an auto-hit mega-damage power like the SE again?
Don't even think of bringing the "homogenous" argument to use as an excuse in hopes to stop a nerf which is rightfully expected.
Which has, like, zero relevance to the issue at hand. The only thing relevant is there is a power which is undodgeable. And in a game where a squishy's defense mechanics almost solely depends on timed dodges, a power that ignores almost every possible defense mechanic and just guarantees a hit is by definition overpowered even without considering its damage.
I sincerely hope you weren't part of the "fix the undodgeable Constricting Arrow, Grasping Roots" crew, because any TR who supported that those powers get fixed, is simply a hypocrite if he does not support the undodgeability of SE get fixed.
SE is "mega-damage" with dependancy while the rest are fixed w/o it, Pls be clear.
Don't u think that u are over whinny and come up with so many of your personal assumptions. I don't care whether there's a nerf coming or whatever. Well, simply adapt and play! Else move on.. Why harp on something as if the dev owes you? If they feels that whatever is OP i am sure they will do something, just like how they fixed GWF's immortal survivability.
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willsommersMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 103
edited March 2014
BTW, devs tried to removes exactly this part from the game - who gets in first rotation wins.
I know old school PVP is over cause of whiny casuals. Don't have the reflexes, PC, ability to strike first. QQ. Slow down PVP for them.
I know old school PVP is over cause of whiny casuals. Don't have the reflexes, PC, ability to strike first. QQ. Slow down PVP for them.
Bullchi*. Gimme a vid/pic of;
(a) someone deflecting SE
(b) someone dodging SE
There are a zillion MI TRs out there, so I'm pretty sure you won't have a problem finding someone trying to use SE on you any given day, any given moment when you are playing PvP.
Preferably I'd like to see your "reflexes" in dodging/deflecting SE.
Stop making excuses. Be a man. If you know something to be broken, stop using it. Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
SE is "mega-damage" with dependancy while the rest are fixed w/o it, Pls be clear.
Don't u think that u are over whinny and come up with so many of your personal assumptions. I don't care whether there's a nerf coming or whatever. Well, simply adapt and play! Else move on.. Why harp on something as if the dev owes you? If they feels that whatever is OP i am sure they will do something, just like how they fixed GWF's immortal survivability.
So you're saying a power, even if it is conditional, that can hit for over 30k a pop, that cannot be escaped from in any way, is not OP?
Cool story, bro.
Stop making excuses. Be a man. If you know something to be broken, stop using it. Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
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bonusitemMember, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 27Arc User
And that's exactly what a TR is supposed to do. CW is a control class not a damage class. It SHOULD do less damage than a TR. A TR should be able to one shot you if it gets the drop on you.
I hate to break this to you, but with tenacity, CWs lost a huge amount their control (and also their crit damage).
Did TRs lose any SE damage with tenacity? Nope. The new sets gave rogues power. Your ITC wasn't nerfed by tenacity either. And your stealth was increased. You can't compare SE to "control" wizards.
Furthermore, to the people that think someone should be able to one-shot someone at 50% health, really?
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bonusitemMember, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 27Arc User
Nice bait. If you think like this, the argument is over from my part.
BTW, devs tried to removes exactly this part from the game - who gets in first rotation wins.
You do know that the current BiS permas are either hidden either CC immune almost all time? While dealing damage with their <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> PotB and at wills, then SEing you? You think this is OK? Fine by me... suit yourself.
Pers3phone is 100% right.
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adernathMember, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
And that's exactly what a TR is supposed to do. CW is a control class not a damage class. It SHOULD do less damage than a TR.
LoL what a hilarious argument. Then a trickster rogue should make zero damage as well. He should just use tricks and cunningness to deceive his enemies.
Suggestions to improve NW:
- Dualspec
- Better rewarding foundry and foundry pvp maps
- Custom PvP leagues with leaderboards instead of the current 'matchmaking'.
- Armory
- make jumping cost stamina (to reduce hopping in pvp)
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Did you actually PvPed after Tenacity introduction?!?
Aelar Hawkwind - Archer
Karrin Feywinter - Mistress of Flame
Errin Duskwalker - Executioner
Darquess - Soulbinder
The other issue is that a miss doesn't drain AP, so you can just fire the skill again right away.
Aelar Hawkwind - Archer
Karrin Feywinter - Mistress of Flame
Errin Duskwalker - Executioner
Darquess - Soulbinder
Most of the times it doesn't drain the ap and I can cast it right away, but yesterday it DID spend my points, it was weird. It was a CW that used teleport and got out of the area, and had like 15-20% of his HP so he should have died, my points were spent though.
Maybe someone else got just in teh way and received it instead?
You have to be kidding me. Even top end rogues call SE a cheese move. There is not one other skill in all of PvP I have any problem with. Only shocking execution.
As already observed by me and others, you receive way more damage from SE even at almost full hp than crescendo or ice knife.
And those who argue that because it has 'execution' it its description its effect should be treated by its name: this is a bogus argument. If you would follow that argument, then every hunter would one-shot people with his 'extremely deadly' aimed shot (and everyone who is playing in PvP knows that you can not compare aimed shot in its damage with SE).
- Dualspec
- Better rewarding foundry and foundry pvp maps
- Custom PvP leagues with leaderboards instead of the current 'matchmaking'.
- Armory
- make jumping cost stamina (to reduce hopping in pvp)
+1
Totally agree.
really hilarious argument.
What they said ? "well since it is shocking execution it means that kills people outright.That's ok that does 50h hp dmg'
ok let't turn the table.Gf has en encounter Griffon's Wrath.:) Yes you angered a mighty Griffon and grabs you.So you must die.That is what the title says.I demand 50k hp dmg.
Crescendo.An enraged GF goes into a crescendo with his sword.That's right you must die.I demand 50k hp dmg
CW has Ice Knive.That's right you angered the deity of the CW and an Ice Knive descends from the mighty sky.It must have 50k ho dmg.
And it goes on.....
Which, is exactly the reason why the key to "balancing" SE lies in not with damage, but with defense against it.
Crescendo coming? Dodge. A CW giving off the audible **ching ching** queue? Dodge....The TR jumping up, making that deep farting sound **vrrrrrrrrrrrrmmmm**, and telegraphs the attack coming from 1 million light years away?
... Die.
No dodge, no deflect, no invincible dailies, no stealth, nothing. Nothing except the GF with his shield. Drop dead face-down on the spot.
...This is what I propose -- increase the activation speed of SE. The TR immediately jumps up to full height, no slow-motion shi*, and then just lands attack immediately when reaches apex of jump.
No nerf to damage. Heck, I don't care even if it does 100k damage.
Just let it be doded/teleported/shifted away from like any other power, any other daily. If the TR lands that cheesy SE on me with impeccable timing, so I don't even see it coming, or I have no dodges left? That's good. Nice shot. Well timed, bravo. No qualms at all.
But when the guy just lazily activates it at any timing, and there's no way for me to avoid that? Bullcrap. It's simply no-brainer, zero-skill easymode. Who the heck needs any skill when you don't need to consider any of the factors that normally requires to be considered when trying to land an attack against people?
C'mon fellow TRs. Both you know and I know that the probability of a freak accident happening with SE that just blows AP without any effect, is very low and unlikely. Both you know and I know that as long as you get that full AP, it's gonna hit, and you're probably going to win. Doesn't matter even if its keltz0r you're fighting against. As long as somebody gangs up and brings down his health 40~50%, you know you're going to land that SE, and you know you're gonna kill him. Ain't got nothing to do with skill, this power. You know this.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
Well, IMHO SE's dmg comes with dependency on the life % remaining. Nothing wrong with that like you mentioned and i agree with it.
However it is the hitting part that some are unpleasant with (which likely when low is life you still want to fight and don't use your brain to keep a distance or run and later hit by SE then crying for a nerf), and so If you suggest to make it able to "dodge" away, to be fair remove every other daily which is a sure hit such as cresendos, Indomitable strength, forest walk, etc. And to be even fairer since you want every class to be "fair", make everyone's AP gain homogeneously. So you don't see CW spam ice knife every rotation, etc etc.
Fyi my TR/GWF/DC with decent gears has never once died by SE in full or 45% life. (Unless you are really spec for pure dmg i may likely die in 40-45%, contrariwise you are squishy that's the fact). So ppl pls don't exaggerate the numbers.
...so which of them is an auto-hit mega-damage power like the SE again?
Don't even think of bringing the "homogenous" argument to use as an excuse in hopes to stop a nerf which is rightfully expected.
Which has, like, zero relevance to the issue at hand. The only thing relevant is there is a power which is undodgeable. And in a game where a squishy's defense mechanics almost solely depends on timed dodges, a power that ignores almost every possible defense mechanic and just guarantees a hit is by definition overpowered even without considering its damage.
I sincerely hope you weren't part of the "fix the undodgeable Constricting Arrow, Grasping Roots" crew, because any TR who supported that those powers get fixed, is simply a hypocrite if he does not support the undodgeability of SE get fixed.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
Maybe I've just been incredibly lucky? Seems unlikely.
Aelar Hawkwind - Archer
Karrin Feywinter - Mistress of Flame
Errin Duskwalker - Executioner
Darquess - Soulbinder
And how long do you survive after that?
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
You sound like someone who only play pug PVP and are lucky enough to never run into a well geared TR.
If you want to add to that argument, imagine that the CW used it from stealth and you had no idea what was coming.
Or are we saying that SE is only a problem for the small percentage of elite players at the very top of the tree?
Aelar Hawkwind - Archer
Karrin Feywinter - Mistress of Flame
Errin Duskwalker - Executioner
Darquess - Soulbinder
Been hit for 27K SE crit by pretty noobish r6-7 TR with Perfect Vorpal, while I was at 80% HP. Even the guys without wep enchant will crit for 16-17K - while I am above 50% HP
So... yeah.
Hard to understand this thing goes through every protection layer? While all other DPS has been nerfed severely by Tenacity?
This game isn't Ragnarok Online, World of Warcraft, or any other click/tab MMO. This game uses a semi-action combat system. And when I say semi, it's because unlike Dragon Nest, La Tale, Vindictus, etc.., one does not have full control over actions, unaided by auto targeting and whatnot (I really wish Cryptic went the full action route but they expected the average players to find manual aiming a tad too hard... lol).
So basically to achieve near balance in any action based game specially fighting games or in this case, Player-vs-Player, it's standard to have almost all moves be BLOCKABLE and for anything that isn't blockable, they are and should be DODGEABLE. It's a golden rule, any move that violates this rule is broken. Now this game doesn't provide a blocking option to all classes like other MMOs (eg. RaiderZ) so everything, and I mean EVERY SINGLE OFFENSIVE MOVE, should be DODGEABLE.
Shocking Execution needs to become dodgeable. No IFs, no BUTs. Period.
PS. For people who do not get this (ie. those who do not give a <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> about skill based combat), I recommend playing something... a little bit more dated. I-WIN buttons are a dime a dozen in those games. Cheers.
you got killed by an assassin? sad story
i already quit dc since the last nerf, im running out of classes to play, stop nerfing everything
It can be deflected, and is quite regularly. I assume if I use it on a combat HR It'll be deflected more often than not. Above 50% it is not a one shot then even crit.
So striker class doing more damage than defender or controller? Quick nerf. OP.
SE has been nerfed already, it used to do enough damage to even be useful in PVE (imagine that). Pretty much all of TR damage has been nerfed into ground because of ppl with slow reaction times.
Prior to mod 3 I'd have a much better chance one shotting someone with lashing blade vs shocking execution. But hey this game wants PVP to be a boring, snoozefest war of attrition. Which it is.
This is about PvP not PvE. Nobody cares if you deal 300K lashings on bosses. I do care when some newbie TR hits my 35K HP 20% Tenacity 31% DR CW for 20k+ damage while I'm at almost full HP, and I cannot dodge it.
All damage was nerfed. SE is out of line. Put it where it belongs, ie together with the rest of the pack.
Also not our fault it's a war of attrition, take that out on the devs. I personally asked for Tenacity to never hit Live yet it did, GG.
And that's exactly what a TR is supposed to do. CW is a control class not a damage class. It SHOULD do less damage than a TR. A TR should be able to one shot you if it gets the drop on you. The fact that they slowed down, dumbed down PVP (all 2 maps of it) is ridiculous. The slowest most boring pvp since people have been playing against each other over modems. Doom had more exciting PVP. It's a joke.
Just be glad you aren't be killed by TRs using lurkers (again nerfed) with tens and cloud of steel.
Nice bait. If you think like this, the argument is over from my part.
BTW, devs tried to removes exactly this part from the game - who gets in first rotation wins.
You do know that the current BiS permas are either hidden either CC immune almost all time? While dealing damage with their <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> PotB and at wills, then SEing you? You think this is OK? Fine by me... suit yourself.
SE is "mega-damage" with dependancy while the rest are fixed w/o it, Pls be clear.
Don't u think that u are over whinny and come up with so many of your personal assumptions. I don't care whether there's a nerf coming or whatever. Well, simply adapt and play! Else move on.. Why harp on something as if the dev owes you? If they feels that whatever is OP i am sure they will do something, just like how they fixed GWF's immortal survivability.
I know old school PVP is over cause of whiny casuals. Don't have the reflexes, PC, ability to strike first. QQ. Slow down PVP for them.
Bullchi*. Gimme a vid/pic of;
(a) someone deflecting SE
(b) someone dodging SE
There are a zillion MI TRs out there, so I'm pretty sure you won't have a problem finding someone trying to use SE on you any given day, any given moment when you are playing PvP.
Preferably I'd like to see your "reflexes" in dodging/deflecting SE.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
So you're saying a power, even if it is conditional, that can hit for over 30k a pop, that cannot be escaped from in any way, is not OP?
Cool story, bro.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
I hate to break this to you, but with tenacity, CWs lost a huge amount their control (and also their crit damage).
Did TRs lose any SE damage with tenacity? Nope. The new sets gave rogues power. Your ITC wasn't nerfed by tenacity either. And your stealth was increased. You can't compare SE to "control" wizards.
Furthermore, to the people that think someone should be able to one-shot someone at 50% health, really?
Pers3phone is 100% right.
- Dualspec
- Better rewarding foundry and foundry pvp maps
- Custom PvP leagues with leaderboards instead of the current 'matchmaking'.
- Armory
- make jumping cost stamina (to reduce hopping in pvp)