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epicin1epicin1 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 30 Arc User
edited March 2014 in General Discussion (PC)
Dear guys/galls/both,

My name is Wolfarmy and I am quite displeased about the current gameplay managing. But F that, this is not the time for another crying thread about how this whole game is unfair to you. No, this question is about a peculiar detail of the game. A chance reward, as you might say.

Now, before you redirect me to some guy who obviously has nothing better to do than answer some questions and redirect this to someone else, I would like you to hear me out.

I want Cryptic to research the artefact ''Eye of Lathander''.

This artefact is a common wanted item which every adventurer would like to possess. The downside is where you have to get it. This item is a random loot of a chest in a 20-minute solo dungeon. Now you might think, thats not that hard to get if you put some heart into it, but then you are wrong. So very wrong.

In order to open the chest for a chance on this item, you need to be able to craft a gauntlet (once a day). This gauntlet, as seen in the attachment picked from somewhere on the internet, has a chance to drop the artefact.

Now the odd thing is, in my fifty runs i have made (I have proof of that) with this gauntlet ready on my shieldhand I have not been able to get a single one of these artefacts. Fifty runs are equal to spending half an hour per day everyday to complete this dungeon. I am rather sick of seeing the same interior every day.

Close friends of mine, met on the corner of the internet, also have not been succesful in getting one, while another friend has gotten two already. Imagine the frustration it brings us seeing someone walk out with two artefacts while the rest of us are still waiting for the day we can stop doing these timeconsuming dailies. It is so very frustrating.

I am not asking for money, ingame or outgame. I am simply asking Cryptic to delve into the math to try and see if there is perhaps a glitch, or recreate the entire reward system for that chest, since it is not fair at all. Since this item is Bound-on-Pickup, it would not make sense to make it such a rare find. Having more than one is rather useless since there are other artefacts to boost your stats with. And even if someone wanted to have 3 of these equipped, it would not really hurt. The stats are not that special.

We hope this issue we have been coping with will be resolved.

Thank you for your time.

Kind regards,

Wolfarmy

PS.
If all is done right, there should be a pic of the adamantine gauntlet somewhere around here.
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  • ajeed04ajeed04 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I got mine on my 7th chest if that helps at all [:
    running around and never capping lool
    which top tr did u kill 1v1
    i know that build.......u just leave
    when real tr comes on cap
    so before calling out any tr u should proly beat one 1v1 with
    full hp ,not coming to only daily him
  • jorifice1jorifice1 Member Posts: 1,042 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Only fifty?
    I've bought at least 75 of the Atifacts that give you the Star-Metal Gauntlet and done about 75 more runs with the standard Adamantine Gauntlet between two characters on top of that. And no Eye.
    And there are folks out there who will respond "Only 150 Chests? I've done 500 and no Eye!"
    The drop rate is crazy low. A few lucky folks will see it in a reasonable amount of time, but for the rest of us it's a "Grind the Dungeons every single day for two years or so and MAYBE you MIGHT get one."

    'Wen considered the nature of time and understood that the universe is, instant by instant, recreated anew. Therefore, he understood, there is in truth no past, only a memory of the past. Blink your eyes, and the world you see next did not exist when you closed them. Therefore, he said, the only appropriate state of the mind is surprise. The only appropriate state of the heart is joy. The sky you see now, you have never seen before. The perfect moment is now. Be glad of it.' Terry Pratchet The Thief Of Time
  • arsonall82arsonall82 Member Posts: 151 Bounty Hunter
    edited March 2014
    Here's what you need to do.

    buy the new priceless thayan antiquities (come in a lock box, 7kAD on AH) and trade than for the box you get from Zoey.

    get the star gauntlet - you can only have one gauntlet at a time, but you can have a grip of the boxes

    run to the end of the dungeon, open the coffer. you'll have used your 1 star gauntlet, but guess what? open another box and receive another gauntlet, and use that one. then repeat this as many times as your heart desires. you're essentially saving yourself DAYS of farming for it, and the measly cost of 7K AD per gauntlet!
  • darkstarcrashdarkstarcrash Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,382 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Cryptic doesn't need to delve into the math; they set the drop percentage very low - probably .5 - 1% - deliberately.

    I'll repeat my personal results with the adamantine gauntlet from 152 tries spread over 6 60s:

    Artifact: 1
    Epic Armor: 2
    Rare Mark of Potency: 1
    Enchantment Shard: 5
    Aquamarine: 22
    2 Peridots: 70
    2 Rank 4 enchs: 27
    Lesser Mark of Pot: 22

    Grinding for rare items is part of what mmos are. I personally continue to grind the DR lairs because they take about 10 minutes, and I use the epic Marks of Power/Union/Stability to level my artifacts. On a day when no epic marks drop from the regular chest, I may skip running the lair on all of my 60s.
  • mikey1968mikey1968 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Been doing the UK lottery for over 10 years still not won it. But maybe just maybe.... is that not just what the coffer is all about? ;)
  • arsonall82arsonall82 Member Posts: 151 Bounty Hunter
    edited March 2014
    won't let me edit my previous post, but I was actually wrong on the price, i hadn't sorted by buyout, so it's actually 2.5K each gauntlet!
  • mconosrepmconosrep Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    200+ runs and nothing

    Would be nice if there was a way to trade a lot (non-purchasable) Dread Ring collectables for this. That way, even if you don't get the Artifact this time, you are at least close to getting it eventually.
  • farla47farla47 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 149 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Well, I didn't pay for any shortcuts and Still got the artifact, about 2-3 weeks after getting the purple gauntlet. Nearly fell out of my seat.
    And then a 2nd character of mine got it as well. So there is hope!

    But no VT offhand, after oh so many tries, so what's the point in anything :(
    (almost)All my friends are Imaginary!
  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    took me hundreds of gauntlets to get jsut 1, 50 is nothing :D
  • scoutmasterjscoutmasterj Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Well, I can certainly agree with the frustration. I finally got mine last night. (probably 100 runs or so). I'd been saving Lesser Fey Blessings for awhile so about 10 minutes later it was already level 70.

    However, I will disagree about one thing - If you are spending 30 minutes a day doring whatever lair of the day for Dread Spire, you are wasting time. Just go to Dread Spire and in the lfg chat, type invite DS (or PF, or DF) and hook up with a group. The lair will then take a few minutes.

    Now I know these lairs can easily be solo'd but grouping with 4 others just saves time. Especially if all you are doing is trying to get the artifact.

    One more thing people. Have some courtesy and wait until you are ready to change instances before typing your invite request. Sure it's not a huge deal to wait for another 2 minutes, but how about you just wait for the next group, there's a new one starting all the time.
  • tinukedatinukeda Member Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Yeah, "20 minute" lair runs? ... "You're doing it wrong".
    Lairs take 5 minutes SOLO; make it 10 minutes for all the walking back and forth.

    Got the Eye on 3 of 4 characters, so it definitely drops. Just a case here of RNG is RNG.
  • luckycharms1979luckycharms1979 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    It really is just luck, unfortunately. On one of my toons I got the artifact on my very 1st try... and yet with another toon I've now used over 200 of the Star Metal Gauntlets and have yet to acquire the artifact. Frustrating, absolutely, but just the way it goes sometimes.
  • rashylewizzrashylewizz Member Posts: 4,265 Bounty Hunter
    edited March 2014
    epicin1 wrote: »
    This item is a random loot of a chest in a 20-minute solo dungeon.

    The dungeon takes 5 minutes with a group and 7 minutes solo.

    Also, most of that time is mindless literal running through the dungeon.
  • pointsmanpointsman Member Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Some people actually want to loot the skill nodes along the way, so while 20 minutes is a bit high, the 5-7 minutes is really just speeding through it and ignoring literally everything else.
  • rashylewizzrashylewizz Member Posts: 4,265 Bounty Hunter
    edited March 2014
    pointsman wrote: »
    Some people actually want to loot the skill nodes along the way, so while 20 minutes is a bit high, the 5-7 minutes is really just speeding through it and ignoring literally everything else.

    Well actually, you are only ignoring a few nodes because the rest of the mobs follow you through the end.

    You can AOE them all in a few seconds once you reach the boss.

    Also, OP was using this 20-minute time as a crutch to his argument of how "frustrating" it is to keep on doing this tedious long dungeon over and over again.
  • cdnbisoncdnbison Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 806 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    It took me a number of runs to get the Eye on my main as well. I'd resigned myself to using the lairs as a source of artifact refinement, and that was about it.

    And then - TA-DA!

    Just when I think I'm out, they keep pulling me back in!

    The RNG generally hates me, though - no swashbuckler, one Tymora coin, no coin or cape from the Gift of the Gods...

    It hates me so much, that in the 2 VT runs I've done during delves, I got the main hand weapon. Both times.
  • grogthemagnifgrogthemagnif Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,651 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    That's funny! Not 1, but 2 of my toons recently had two gauntlets - one was a Star Gauntlet, the other was not.


    arsonall82 wrote: »
    Here's what you need to do.

    buy the new priceless thayan antiquities (come in a lock box, 7kAD on AH) and trade than for the box you get from Zoey.

    get the star gauntlet - you can only have one gauntlet at a time, but you can have a grip of the boxes

    run to the end of the dungeon, open the coffer. you'll have used your 1 star gauntlet, but guess what? open another box and receive another gauntlet, and use that one. then repeat this as many times as your heart desires. you're essentially saving yourself DAYS of farming for it, and the measly cost of 7K AD per gauntlet!
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  • grogthemagnifgrogthemagnif Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,651 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    You got the part that it takes a lot of daily quests to get the materials to craft the Adamantine Gauntlet. Then its a 1-10% chance to get the Eye.

    As for getting I saw a post of one guy who got 8. And told him good for him. Extras are not useless, they can be refined to speed up advancement. Speaking of advancement, you may want to continue grinding the DR quests for the pearls, peridots and occasional aquamarines to refine your artifacts.
    epicin1 wrote: »
    Dear guys/galls/both,

    My name is Wolfarmy and I am quite displeased about the current gameplay managing. But F that, this is not the time for another crying thread about how this whole game is unfair to you. No, this question is about a peculiar detail of the game. A chance reward, as you might say.

    Now, before you redirect me to some guy who obviously has nothing better to do than answer some questions and redirect this to someone else, I would like you to hear me out.

    I want Cryptic to research the artefact ''Eye of Lathander''.

    This artefact is a common wanted item which every adventurer would like to possess. The downside is where you have to get it. This item is a random loot of a chest in a 20-minute solo dungeon. Now you might think, thats not that hard to get if you put some heart into it, but then you are wrong. So very wrong.

    In order to open the chest for a chance on this item, you need to be able to craft a gauntlet (once a day). This gauntlet, as seen in the attachment picked from somewhere on the internet, has a chance to drop the artefact.

    Now the odd thing is, in my fifty runs i have made (I have proof of that) with this gauntlet ready on my shieldhand I have not been able to get a single one of these artefacts. Fifty runs are equal to spending half an hour per day everyday to complete this dungeon. I am rather sick of seeing the same interior every day.

    Close friends of mine, met on the corner of the internet, also have not been succesful in getting one, while another friend has gotten two already. Imagine the frustration it brings us seeing someone walk out with two artefacts while the rest of us are still waiting for the day we can stop doing these timeconsuming dailies. It is so very frustrating.

    I am not asking for money, ingame or outgame. I am simply asking Cryptic to delve into the math to try and see if there is perhaps a glitch, or recreate the entire reward system for that chest, since it is not fair at all. Since this item is Bound-on-Pickup, it would not make sense to make it such a rare find. Having more than one is rather useless since there are other artefacts to boost your stats with. And even if someone wanted to have 3 of these equipped, it would not really hurt. The stats are not that special.

    We hope this issue we have been coping with will be resolved.

    Thank you for your time.

    Kind regards,

    Wolfarmy

    PS.
    If all is done right, there should be a pic of the adamantine gauntlet somewhere around here.
  • rlrobrrlrobr Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I have 7 toons, I've got only 1 Eye and I've been running DR from right after the it was released, so I know your pain and I also think this is ridiculous. The drop rate is like 1% for a BoP item.. far, far from reasonable.
  • epicin1epicin1 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 30 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I do not even get how you all can use up 200 gauntlets. M2 has not been out for such a long time. I did not know about the star gauntlet. I thought it was a P2W thingy.

    In the dungeons I always have an advanced kind of lag. The screen freeze. Happens way more often than welcome and it doubles my dungeon experience. Nothing to do about that, or so Cryptic says.

    Ill try to figure out this star gauntie thing. Most of my friends already gave up on it and I think they wont like it when the daily quest returns in Icewind Dale. I sure hope it doesnt.

    Also, I appreciate the support. I send a ticket but they kinda said that they didnt go over this and that I had to retreat to the forums where I may or may not receive a response from an admin.

    Lets see what happens
  • iambecks1iambecks1 Member Posts: 4,044 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I got the Gauntlet before I learned the boons so I started using adamantine gauntlet as fast as was possible for somebody not using the Thayan relics to speed up the process , I ran the lairs every day and never got the artifact so when the Star metal gauntlets came out I bought the priceless Thayan antiquity's in batches of 30 to 40 and used them until I got the artifact ,it took me about 150 - 180 of the star metal gauntlets to get the artifact , less than 2 weeks later I got it using the regular Adamantine gauntlet , I was gutted.
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  • cdnbisoncdnbison Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 806 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    You can open a bag and get another starmetal gauntlet after using one - then reopen the chest. Repeat.

    And folks - rare doesn't mean everyone will get one. Accept that.It is a rare drop - the instance takes 20 min. to run, and you can run it as much as you want (if you can afford lair keys). Accept that some days, the RNG won't come up in your favor.
  • rlrobrrlrobr Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    cdnbison wrote: »
    You can open a bag and get another starmetal gauntlet after using one - then reopen the chest. Repeat.

    And folks - rare doesn't mean everyone will get one. Accept that.It is a rare drop - the instance takes 20 min. to run, and you can run it as much as you want (if you can afford lair keys). Accept that some days, the RNG won't come up in your favor.

    1% drop rate is not rare, it is insanely ultra rare, which is not reasonable for a BoP item.
  • skreen32skreen32 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    epicin1 wrote: »
    But F that, this is not the time for another crying thread about how this whole game is unfair to you.
    .......
    I am simply asking Cryptic to delve into the math to try and see if there is perhaps a glitch, or recreate the entire reward system for that chest, since it is not fair at all.

    Not sure if I should call you a hypocrite, or keep grinding and enjoy the game.

    With or without crafting the Gauntlet,

    Recharge Time: 120s

    Use: Resurrects an ally or your companion from afar and restores 65% of their Hit Points.
    Range: 80'

    Equip: +300 Defense
    Equip: +300 Life Steal
    Equip: +400 Incoming Healing Bonus

    No Level Requirement


    is pretty nice stats, if you ask me.

    Also, according to the wiki,
    Its quality varies from uncommon to legendary with its rank. I'm sure that may have something to do with the drop-rate.

    If you were to be playing the table-top version, I can agree with you, the DM would end up altering gameplay slightly to help get the item, especially if players were to grind for it... say... Every time they played?... But, this is not the tabletop version, and the DM's here are game developers, and the rules apply to hundreds of thousands of players.

    This is just my $0.02, and my first post, so take it how it is :)

    Cheers
    ~Skreen32
  • w00trandomsnoobiw00trandomsnoobi Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 387 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Just got it. It was my fifth run with the adamantine gauntlet.

    Though that probably means I will never ever find another companion in the CTAs again, all my RNG luck is used up now. :)
  • epicin1epicin1 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 30 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Well, I took your advice and went into my DS with 15 bags in my pocket and one ada, and i did not get it.
    Then I grabbed my second ada (I take quest and wait for the next day so i can do 2 in one day for better rewards) and packed myself 18 more stars and i got my eye on the 4th gauntlet.

    I got a vorpal enchant (first shard from there) but nothing else did really matter.

    I got my artefact after about 85 gauntlets. Some have spend in the hundreds, But I still think this is a number too high.
    No use in making it so rare. The least they can do is up the chance everytime you open a chest and dont get it (like 1% extra per fail and after you get one it resets) or make a guarantee after a number of gauntlets used (like 50, which resets after one eye).

    I had to spend an extra 200k for this. Got a small part of it back through blue potencys and aquamarines, but people who are saving up wont like this.
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