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Quickest/cost-effective way to refine a Plague Fire enchant?

thestaggythestaggy Member Posts: 1,102 Bounty Hunter
edited January 2014 in PvE Discussion
I've recently purchased a normal Plague Fire and have two further lessers that I want to use to make a second Plague Fire in order to make a Greater. However, aside from rubies, opals, diamonds, etc, what are other means of refining these enchants? Unlike the other enchants, a PF does not use shards that can be used as a means of cheaply refining it.

Any suggestions?
PSA: You don't need to grind Spinward Rise for your Elemental artifact main hand if you have some AD lying around. You can craft it via the Tyranny of Dragon's campaign screen.
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  • asmodeus451asmodeus451 Member Posts: 257 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    the cheapest way would be to just feed it whatever Shards/4s/3s you pick up. 100% FREE
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  • tang56tang56 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Throw loads of peridots at it if you're planning to buy the RP.
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  • jorifice1jorifice1 Member Posts: 1,042 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I recently ranked up my Terror to Greater and I found that the "Feed Every Single Thing That Has Refining Points To The Thing" method got me there, after a couple of weeks, just from the Sharendar and Dread Ring missions, Daily Foundry, and making sure that I open EVERY SINGLE NODE AND CHEST THAT I FIND. I'll never understand why so many people skip those. They are the source of the over whelming majority of my refining points.

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  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    jorifice1 wrote: »
    I recently ranked up my Terror to Greater and I found that the "Feed Every Single Thing That Has Refining Points To The Thing" method got me there, after a couple of weeks, just from the Sharendar and Dread Ring missions, Daily Foundry, and making sure that I open EVERY SINGLE NODE AND CHEST THAT I FIND. I'll never understand why so many people skip those. They are the source of the over whelming majority of my refining points.

    Since terror shards are cheap, it would've been better to feed it terror shards for 4k rp for around the 1500AD mark, or by doing gnarlroot. I ranked up my plaguefire using peridots myself, although it's not exactly fast and it doesn't crit unfortunatly.
  • degraafinationdegraafination Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Peridots tend to be the best bang for your buck here.
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  • xellizxelliz Member Posts: 955 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Lesser Fey enchants are very nice for Artifacts, about 24k per. They only give about 12k on enchants, but still not bad. Peridots may still be the most cost effective for enchants, but I am not sure personally.
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  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited January 2014
    . . . I would actually run the Sharandar Lairs (Gnarlroot Cave, Witch's Fen, Celedaine's Tower) and it them those shards you get from the final chest. If you have keys saved up, you can just keep running those lairs over and over for the Shards from the end chests.

    . . . I'd get yourself 9% Fey Blessing on your character, 3% each at Greater (there is no perfect) in Helm, Boots, Gauntlets, before feeding Lesser Fey Blessings. There is also an off-hand (but I think its lower than level 60) that you can get a utility slot in also. Maybe even a neck-piece, but I'm not positive. This way, you'll get more rank 4 drops from killing mobs, which you can then feed as well.
  • tang56tang56 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    xelliz wrote: »
    Lesser Fey enchants are very nice for Artifacts, about 24k per. They only give about 12k on enchants, but still not bad. Peridots may still be the most cost effective for enchants, but I am not sure personally.

    I've seen 99 stacks of peridots for 78k each. In fact I used 650ish of them today to rank up a G.Vorpal to perfect. I also have RSI in my wrist...
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  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited January 2014
    tang56 wrote: »
    I've seen 99 stacks of peridots for 78k each. In fact I used 650ish of them today to rank up a G.Vorpal to perfect. I also have RSI in my wrist...
    Very nice! Congrats!
  • marcioohmarciooh Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 91
    edited January 2014
    tang56 wrote: »
    I've seen 99 stacks of peridots for 78k each. In fact I used 650ish of them today to rank up a G.Vorpal to perfect. I also have RSI in my wrist...

    Nice work!
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  • dethsdezyndethsdezyn Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    jorifice1 wrote: »
    I recently ranked up my Terror to Greater and I found that the "Feed Every Single Thing That Has Refining Points To The Thing" method got me there, after a couple of weeks, just from the Sharendar and Dread Ring missions, Daily Foundry, and making sure that I open EVERY SINGLE NODE AND CHEST THAT I FIND. I'll never understand why so many people skip those. They are the source of the over whelming majority of my refining points.

    In doing this, did you take the 3's and 4's and make them rank 5's and then add them to the Normal terror? or just add them as-is?
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  • dethsdezyndethsdezyn Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    frishter wrote: »
    Since terror shards are cheap, it would've been better to feed it terror shards for 4k rp for around the 1500AD mark, or by doing gnarlroot. I ranked up my plaguefire using peridots myself, although it's not exactly fast and it doesn't crit unfortunatly.

    If you use a shard for the same type of enchant, it counts as 4k RP?

    I have just recently gotten all my chars artifacts to purple and seeing how getting to orange is 3.5Mil each I decided on focusing on my weapon/armor enchants and getting them from Normal to greater.
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  • xxmantaraxxxxmantaraxx Member Posts: 362 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    dethsdezyn wrote: »
    In doing this, did you take the 3's and 4's and make them rank 5's and then add them to the Normal terror? or just add them as-is?

    No, you loose RP by refining them. best to just throw the enchants you find into it.

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  • pitshadepitshade Member Posts: 5,665 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I'm within 700 RP of making a second normal plaguefire to use as a reagent. The other enchant is already ready for upgrade. I think it's taken me around five weeks to make the first normal, refine it up for upgrade and make a second normal. As others have mentioned, this is by looting every node I can (always choosing Phant. Fortress when given the option) hitting the chests on the Sharandar and DR maps when I am nearby and every character has three lesser Fey blessings so even running PVE in GG, Monsters on Ice, everything still provided some RP.
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  • saini50990saini50990 Member Posts: 309 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    ok u all have been wondering how to refine effectively enchants and artifacts so let me tell the best way which i have got.
    well for the weapon and armor enchants except vorpal, soluforge and plague fire is to buy there respective shards only and only if there price is below 7k-8k if not buy stack of peridots which cost 90k-120k .

    shards gives 4320RP to its own enchant and critical success at that while peridots dont give any critical success.
    each peridot give 500RP so 99 peridot gives 49500RP whil 20 shards with good critical success gives the same amount and cost less than that.
    for plague fire ,vorpal and soulforge i recommend u to use stack of peridots ,it is the cheap and the best way there is.
    for artifacts and colored enchants its best to use stack of rank 5 for refining cause they give 1080 RP and it shld be same color rank 5 for colored enchant.
    also for power artifacts it best to use skull from glory to refine .raise the skull to rank 50-59 and it gives 600kRP at rank 59, the artifact that can be refined are valindra,lantern and skull.
    for union artifacts if u got extra eye , use that to refine water ,emblem and eye.
    gl
  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    dethsdezyn wrote: »
    If you use a shard for the same type of enchant, it counts as 4k RP?

    I have just recently gotten all my chars artifacts to purple and seeing how getting to orange is 3.5Mil each I decided on focusing on my weapon/armor enchants and getting them from Normal to greater.

    Yep. In some cases its not worth it for example levelling up vorpal/soulforged enchantsments. You're better off selling excess shards. For cheaper shards, it's definitely a good option.
    zebular wrote: »
    . . . I would actually run the Sharandar Lairs (Gnarlroot Cave, Witch's Fen, Celedaine's Tower) and it them those shards you get from the final chest. If you have keys saved up, you can just keep running those lairs over and over for the Shards from the end chests.

    . . . I'd get yourself 9% Fey Blessing on your character, 3% each at Greater (there is no perfect) in Helm, Boots, Gauntlets, before feeding Lesser Fey Blessings. There is also an off-hand (but I think its lower than level 60) that you can get a utility slot in also. Maybe even a neck-piece, but I'm not positive. This way, you'll get more rank 4 drops from killing mobs, which you can then feed as well.
    What I hate about fey blessing is that I held out since i thought the new refinement system would possibly make it cheaper. It went from needing 4 fey blessings to needing 4 fey blessings for just the refining and you need an extra one and marks as well as wards. A normal fey blessing may be worth it if you solo farm some content and plan to play for a while. A greater one is just going to cost too much, you're better off just buying enchants on the ah with the money you've saved by not upgrading it imo. There is a neck piece though with a utility slot. I also hear there's a shortish cooldown on the drop rate. Fey blessing is less useful if you group up a lot though, particularly for DCs and GFs.
  • dethsdezyndethsdezyn Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    No, you loose RP by refining them. best to just throw the enchants you find into it.

    Well hell, ok then thank you.

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  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited January 2014
    frishter wrote: »
    What I hate about fey blessing is that I held out since i thought the new refinement system would possibly make it cheaper. It went from needing 4 fey blessings to needing 4 fey blessings for just the refining and you need an extra one and marks as well as wards. A normal fey blessing may be worth it if you solo farm some content and plan to play for a while. A greater one is just going to cost too much, you're better off just buying enchants on the ah with the money you've saved by not upgrading it imo. There is a neck piece though with a utility slot. I also hear there's a shortish cooldown on the drop rate. Fey blessing is less useful if you group up a lot though, particularly for DCs and GFs.
    . . . It actually is cheaper, if you farm the marks yourself and probably still cheaper if you buy the marks. Before, you'd need 4 LFB to make a Normal, 4 normals to make a greater, meaning you'd need 12 LFB to make a greater. The new way, you need far less LFBs to make a Greater.
  • dethsdezyndethsdezyn Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    saini50990 wrote: »
    also for power artifacts it best to use skull from glory to refine .raise the skull to rank 50-59 and it gives 600kRP at rank 59, the artifact that can be refined are valindra,lantern and skull.
    for union artifacts if u got extra eye , use that to refine water ,emblem and eye.
    gl

    Not sure what you mean?, are you talking about getting EXTRA artifacts and use those towards refining points? wouldnt it be tter to sell for AD? heck I have been lucky to get the free Artifact I got lol .
    frishter wrote: »
    Yep. In some cases its not worth it for example levelling up vorpal/soulforged enchantsments. You're better off selling excess shards. For cheaper shards, it's definitely a good option.

    Ok, I have two diff regular vorpals. If i get a vorpal shard I should use it towards RP(or maybe trade for other non-vorpal shards depending on if I can get more than 4 non-vorpal shards for my one vorpal shard). If i get a diff shard, use it and only get 1080 RP. Or maybe it would be better to trade shard for peridot? But that would mean I would need to get more than two peridot per non-vorpal shard to make it a better deal I suppose.

    As for the fey blessing I keep hearing diff things, when refining my artifacts to purple, they wer great at 25k a pop, but for weapon and armor enchants. not so much at what? 1080? Not when they sell for 40k approx.

    I want to play to relax. Not revisit my math/logistics/statistic college days .. LOL
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  • dethsdezyndethsdezyn Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    No, you loose RP by refining them. best to just throw the enchants you find into it.

    Same thing if you are trying to add rp to existing rank 6 or seven enchants? Or better to refine those up to rank 5?
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  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    zebular wrote: »
    . . . It actually is cheaper, if you farm the marks yourself and probably still cheaper if you buy the marks. Before, you'd need 4 LFB to make a Normal, 4 normals to make a greater, meaning you'd need 12 LFB to make a greater. The new way, you need far less LFBs to make a Greater.

    And how do you expect people to farm greater marks of potency? I think people have better uses for those than for 1% more drop rate for a rank 4. Before you needed 4LFB for a normal which was 80k if you farmed it all yourself plus costs of wards. Now you need 4 LFB for refining unless you get a crit, one as a catalyst, and 2 greater marks of potency as well as the ward cost so we're talking 300k minimum. 320k excluding ward costs (and a lot of time, although admittedly you would've needed to invest a little more in ward costs) would've got you a greater fey blessing before the new refinement system. Basically fey blessings in particular got screwed. Although it's easier to make perfects, possibly greater weapon/armour enchants and probably rank 10s, for everything else the old system was much better imo since instead of streamlining everything and reducing clut, I've needed more inventory space. Alternatively you could buy 1000 rank 4s on the AH right now. For that 1% drop rate to even out you'd need to have the finishing blow 100,000 mobs. Going up to a greater you'll need that normal fey blessing again just as a catalyst and for an extra 1% drop rate, that's even more mobs to kill since it's only 50% more effective. You can not viably farm greater marks of potency. If you are lucky to get one. You can easily sell it for 100k or so, or use it for something that will make a difference.
    dethsdezyn wrote: »
    Not sure what you mean?, are you talking about getting EXTRA artifacts and use those towards refining points? wouldnt it be tter to sell for AD? heck I have been lucky to get the free Artifact I got lol .



    Ok, I have two diff regular vorpals. If i get a vorpal shard I should use it towards RP(or maybe trade for other non-vorpal shards depending on if I can get more than 4 non-vorpal shards for my one vorpal shard). If i get a diff shard, use it and only get 1080 RP. Or maybe it would be better to trade shard for peridot? But that would mean I would need to get more than two peridot per non-vorpal shard to make it a better deal I suppose.

    As for the fey blessing I keep hearing diff things, when refining my artifacts to purple, they wer great at 25k a pop, but for weapon and armor enchants. not so much at what? 1080? Not when they sell for 40k approx.

    I want to play to relax. Not revisit my math/logistics/statistic college days .. LOL

    For artifacts, pvp and the eye (although good luck getting 1 of those let alone 2) are bound, and since there's not much else to use glory on might as well use them to multiply your RP, people do around level 59 since it costs a lot more to upgrade it at later levels and is less efficient but you still want enough RP to make a difference.

    I wouldn't put vorpal shards in, although they've gone down to 21k per shard at time of writing, that's a lot for 8k rp. At time of writing peridots are 900 rp each, they don't crit, stupidly but are 500 rp each so for 20k ad you get 11,000 rp instead of 4k. Unmatched shards only give 500 rp though, so you'd need them to be the same price or lower for them to be better than peridots. They used to be 1k on the preview server but they changed that, possibly for the better since otherwise shard prices would probably be higher.
  • mconosrepmconosrep Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    frishter wrote: »
    And how do you expect people to farm greater marks of potency? I think people have better uses for those than for 1% more drop rate for a rank 4. Before you needed 4LFB for a normal which was 80k if you farmed it all yourself plus costs of wards. Now you need 4 LFB for refining unless you get a crit, one as a catalyst, and 2 greater marks of potency as well as the ward cost so we're talking 300k minimum. Alternatively you could buy 1000 rank 4s on the AH right now. For that 1% drop rate to even out you'd need to have the finishing blow 100,000 mobs. Going up to a greater you'll need that normal fey blessing again just as a catalyst and for an extra 1% drop rate, that's even more mobs to kill since it's only 50% more effective. You can not viably farm greater marks of potency. If you are lucky to get one. You can easily sell it for 100k or so, or use it for something that will make a difference.

    Yes, its the cost of the GMoP which makes normal and Greater Fey Blessings uneconomic to make or buy now.
  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited January 2014
    frishter wrote: »
    And how do you expect people to farm greater marks of potency?
    . . . By playing the game. The OP asked for my opinion, I gave it. No need to rip apart my opinion just because you have a bad experience farming marks. Goodness sakes.
  • dethsdezyndethsdezyn Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    frishter wrote: »

    I wouldn't put vorpal shards in, although they've gone down to 21k per shard at time of writing, that's a lot for 8k rp.

    Vorpal shards are worth 8k of RP? I thought it was only 4k?
    frishter wrote: »
    At time of writing peridots are 900 rp each, they don't crit, stupidly but are 500 rp each so for 20k ad you get 11,000 rp instead of 8k. Unmatched shards only give 500 rp though, so you'd need them to be the same price or lower for them to be better than peridots. They used to be 1k on the preview server but they changed that, possibly for the better since otherwise shard prices would probably be higher.

    I think your math threw me lol. so basically, user stacked peridots and anything else i find to refine vorpal and soulforged. same goes for rank 6's and 7's use anything i can find to refine them up
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  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    zebular wrote: »
    . . . By playing the game. The OP asked for my opinion, I gave it. No need to rip apart my opinion just because you have a bad experience farming marks. Goodness sakes.

    I'm not trying to attack you. I just felt that the advice wasn't really effective and tried to point out a flaw I felt was with the new refinement system. 2 GMOP are just too expensive to use as catalysts, the fact that you can get them for free doesn't change the fact that they're worth 100k. I'd rather open some peoples eyes who may consider upgrading their fey blessings rather then getting normal, greater or even perfect enchants where they will benefit a lot more from. That's just 2 gmop for getting a normal enchant too... GMOP are something you can't really farm too, its a rare drop than you have 1/5 chance to win if it does actually drop. Basically if you win one that's awesome, but you can't count on it and if you do, you won't have them in excess unless your character is already fully geared up, in which case you won't really need the upgrade the enchants anyway.

    You're absolutely entitled to state your opinion and what you think will be helpful. On the other end I feel like I had to state that it may be more beneficial not to. Personally I thought you may have upgraded your feys before the new refinement system and didn't realise the investment actually needed and assume blue marks were needed to make a normal.
    dethsdezyn wrote: »
    Vorpal shards are worth 8k of RP? I thought it was only 4k?
    I think your math through me lol. so basically, user stacked peridots and anything else i find to refine vorpal and soulforged. same goes for rank 6's and 7's use anything i can find to refine them up

    Sorry, yes 4k for matching shards. I thought something was off when I looked at it :P. So you can see why vorpal shards definitly aren't cost effecitve. I've edited the amount :D. For normal enchantments, use the same type of enchantment if you're going for efficiency. If you can afford it, buy a stack of rank 5s (as long as there's some available at a decent rate of 100-130k). Rank 5s are also good for artifacts, but greater marks of the same type eg power can also work depending on price or how much you've farmed. There are also certain other enchants that could also work on artifacts if you get them for a decent rate.
  • dethsdezyndethsdezyn Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    zebular wrote: »
    . . . By playing the game. The OP asked for my opinion, I gave it. No need to rip apart my opinion just because you have a bad experience farming marks. Goodness sakes.

    Could you possibly elaborate a little bit more? I would love to know where these can be farmed at, anything to not have to pay 100k AD a pop :)
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  • dethsdezyndethsdezyn Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    To get my normal enchants up to rank 7 or 8 I wonder if the best bet is to just throw everything at them until it is up? If i set aside and only put like types of enchantments with like types, I am going to need a heck of a lot more bag space.

    Also would love to know where to farm Marks of Potency as well as the GMOP. Feels like I am bleeding AD when I am at the point to upgrade to the next rank.
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  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    dethsdezyn wrote: »
    To get my normal enchants up to rank 7 or 8 I wonder if the best bet is to just throw everything at them until it is up? If i set aside and only put like types of enchantments with like types, I am going to need a heck of a lot more bag space.

    Also would love to know where to farm Marks of Potency as well as the GMOP. Feels like I am bleeding AD when I am at the point to upgrade to the next rank.
    Personally I just buy a stack of rank 5s of the same kind when upgrading regular enchants. Although at times it can cost more than I first expect to pay with marks to pay for as well. I do have plenty of inventory space though and have managed to farm lots of AD over time (although I'm less enthusiastic nowadays). I'm sure there are plenty of people that use enchants as soon as they get them to free up space and get the rp. GMOP can drop rarely from epic dungeon bosses, I think blue marks can be gotten from bosses too as well as node farming, chests and arcane coffers (with decent gauntlets if you're lucky. I've managed to get a couple or so of the gmop on 6 main toons and a few MoP, but I've had to buy most. I'm sure if you really wanted to, you can (especially at the profession event half hour) go round looting loads of nodes if you didn't want to buy them.
    Edit: oh and potency marks can also come from epic leadership chests.
  • tang56tang56 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    dethsdezyn wrote: »
    Could you possibly elaborate a little bit more? I would love to know where these can be farmed at, anything to not have to pay 100k AD a pop :)
    I get a fair number of blue marks from remembering to loot chests and nodes in dungeons. They also drop from bosses(both blue and purple potency marks).
    dethsdezyn wrote: »
    To get my normal enchants up to rank 7 or 8 I wonder if the best bet is to just throw everything at them until it is up? If i set aside and only put like types of enchantments with like types, I am going to need a heck of a lot more bag space.

    Also would love to know where to farm Marks of Potency as well as the GMOP. Feels like I am bleeding AD when I am at the point to upgrade to the next rank.

    Throw anything that matches into it as you go. Throw anything that doesn't match into your artifact so you still get the 2x bonus.
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  • dethsdezyndethsdezyn Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Hmmm have mithril gauntlets, have not gotten any better than 2 rank 4's so far.

    I did not know nodes dropped marks of potency, good to know.


    ALl my artifacts are at purple. so next level is 3.5mil RP> I thought the non matching enchants would be better spent else where?
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