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Tenebrous enchants, just as effective, "fixes" good for nothing
pers3phone
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- procs from Briartwine
- procs from Fey Thistle feat
Really devs? How do I "dodge" these, hmmm? Since you made them respect a dodge.
Case GWF with Fey Thistle against CW: I shoot stuff at it, he has 45% deflect, sooner rather than later he WILL deflect and I get 8K unavoidable damage. Nice
Did I mention Briartwine? He doesn't need to deflect ANYTHING, his armor will proc them ALL on me. He doesn't even have to move. And I take another 8K of unavoidable damage.
People kept saying this since test shard, but no, you went live with this idiotic <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> again which is just as good as ever against CWs and most TRs. I said "hey, I'll wait until live until saying anything, maybe they change them for real".
Your "fixes" of the tenes are useless guys. They are not bringing any balance. These things are just as overpowered as ever.
About dodging them... how the hell should I know when to? Make a list with all the GTE guys on the realm and when they start towards me, I blink desperately away? They have no animation, no sound, no nothing to know when to avoid.
Also GWFs can now build offensively and with ArP since they have enough regen from artifact... on top of their tenes and huge defensive stats.
- procs from Fey Thistle feat
Really devs? How do I "dodge" these, hmmm? Since you made them respect a dodge.
Case GWF with Fey Thistle against CW: I shoot stuff at it, he has 45% deflect, sooner rather than later he WILL deflect and I get 8K unavoidable damage. Nice
Did I mention Briartwine? He doesn't need to deflect ANYTHING, his armor will proc them ALL on me. He doesn't even have to move. And I take another 8K of unavoidable damage.
People kept saying this since test shard, but no, you went live with this idiotic <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> again which is just as good as ever against CWs and most TRs. I said "hey, I'll wait until live until saying anything, maybe they change them for real".
Your "fixes" of the tenes are useless guys. They are not bringing any balance. These things are just as overpowered as ever.
About dodging them... how the hell should I know when to? Make a list with all the GTE guys on the realm and when they start towards me, I blink desperately away? They have no animation, no sound, no nothing to know when to avoid.
Also GWFs can now build offensively and with ArP since they have enough regen from artifact... on top of their tenes and huge defensive stats.
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- procs from Fey Thistle feat"
should i complain that bilethorn, plaguefire,deep gash, all dots weapon enchants also trigger tenes as well?
any form of damage will proc them, because that is what triggers them.
i am still using tenes, but they are not that "strong" anymore.
any kind of hit should proc them in my opinion. nerf more tenes will really make it useless...
my tenes don't go through DR anymore, and armor pen does not influenciate to make the hit higher, except dr debuffs. you really want to make tenes so useless to the point where ABSOLUTELY nobody will use them anymore? what is your point?
because the way they are nerfed, so many people had to quit using them, and they hit funny on GFs and GWFs. especially when you lost some health.
please, don't nerf it anymore. the only kind of "balance" i see by nerfing it more than it was nerfed is to make the enchantment beyond useless and only and alone used for "refining".
so please, don't. deal with it, use skills with less dots, play smart against GWF. (i see people CW using the tornado on me when I have tenes, this is just hilarious"
on battlefield you have to adapt different situations and gameplays. Do not demand nerfs so just you become comfortable fighting on the same game style every time without having to push yourself against different challenges.
About your second statement of how gwf can build more armor pen in defensive builds thanks to artefact, do I need to remind that it is not exclusive for gwfs, but all classes right?
you also have the same option, you can change sets, builds, feats, whatever based on the artefats of your choice to get more many different stats. so don't make it sound like "only gwfs" are getting benefited from artifacts.
as you said how artifacts benefiting GWF with more off stats without losing much defensive stats, did you try to do the same thing to fix that?
experiment use the proper artefacts, gear/accessory combinations and build yourself more deflect/dr, or hp. simple.
actually because of the nerf of Tenes not make it go through DR anymore, the char that most benefit from them right now is CW because of their high potential of debuffing DR. you shouldn't be complaining, especially with artifacts recovering others offensive stats you might give up for adding tenes.
Gannicus Destroyer, GWF Destroyer retired
Kate Beckinsale NB DC, Link NB GF
"There is only one way to be a champion..., Never ...ing lose"
10/char
I did NOT ask for any nerf whatsoever.
I explained why tenes are still a dumb enchant:
- they proc from MY damage, not yours, I damage you, you don't even see me, I take 8K damage, how stupid is that?
- they proc on me while I didn't get hit by anything, your armor enchant procced/you deflected something
- I cannot avoid them, there is NOTHING for me to know when they proc so I can at least try to dodge
I can go on and on but there's no point.
The reason for the post? To let devs know their "fix" is NOT working and dumb, just like the enchants themselves, which should have never-ever seen the live game.
As for CW using CoI on you, are we supposed to remember every guy with tenes in the game? Or are we supposed to change spells each time I see one tene guy from the list? With what should I debuff your already huge defenses so I might have a small shance to damage you properly? Even CoI+RoE+HV+Perfect Vorpal+2200 ArP is still not good enough for a CW to take down a GWF like you in a decent time frame (not that any CW is actually able to be a decent threat to you BTW... whatever their gear, I saw you playing and you're awesome
It is too late to remove them now. They introduced them with no testing and it shows. Keep in mind, AGAIN, I never asked for removal or even nerfs, what the hell.
I am posting because the said "fixes" to tenes do NOT work and they are exactly as OP as before - against the classes that are most vulnerable to them in the 1st place.
All that "fixes" did was to make naturally tanky chars such as G(W)Fs not having to worry about them so much any longer. These classes were the least affected by tene bursts n the first place.
Pvp just doesnt matter, they dont care! For your sanity sake just stop queuing
Among the nerfs to tenes, other than them being affected by DR, it was also made so that they could be dodged. If undodgeable damage procs them, one of the "nerfs" become useless.
It's also true, however, that with new artifacts you can, for example, increase DR by increasing defense (for CWs or TRs) and deflect.
Also, if someone uses briartwine in PvP, it means he's giving up on more defensive armor enchants, making him more squishy and easy to kill (if a sentinel gives up SF for briartwine, you don't have to worry about him coming back to life).
You can also use the power of your artifacts to counter tenes (blood raven artifact or water of hel'azad to recover from the spike damage).
The CW is a squishy class so you can't Q.Q about that Tene kill you. Tene was OP against tank chars due DR ignore. 5k+ burst is one ability and no real skill use?
- you don't NEED Briartwine, but it's cool to have. Those that have it and tenes usually have a SF as well to switch as needed...
Truth is, however, you only need Fey Thistle boon. At almost 50% Deflect, and a CW Ray of Frost/at will fast ticks, it takes but 2 seconds of you getting 7-9K of burst damage. Yeah, you can use an artifact, drink a potion.
But - the GWF has even yet to start fighting you!!! He didn't even move - didn't use HIS potions, didn't use his at wills, encounters - ANYTHING. You as a CW, again, start at a huge disadvantage.
Not sure how can I respond to you. I feel bad I helped you test your SF back in the test shard for your attitude sucks.
CW is a squishy class so what?!? Who is QQing?
You know, it all come down to this:
You, ladysylvia, have a GF. It has big DR. The devs partially fixed tenes so now YOU take reduced significantly damage.
Because they work ok for YOU these days, it means they are OK. When they were broken against YOUR class as well, they were bad.
But now since YOUR class deals with them easily - they are cool.
I hope YOU can see the pattern.
It all remains the same:
- you cannot dodge them (how do I dodge a deflect?!?)
- they take no skill to use as the person that has them did not push a single button to deal 8K of damage. They can AFK, and you hit them and take big damage.
Cool? I don't think so.
I think reflect is also a type of damage, and it is only applied if the guy give up soulforged or other better enchantment. so it is very fair that it triggers tene as well in my point of view, because if you pay attention to the numbers, the reflect damage can even be deflected...
about the 5th sharandar boon, same thing. it is not even your damage on this case.
tenes hurt cw yes, now a lot less because they don't go thro dodges or dr. try build more dr with the option of stacking more armor.
I switch my skills every time I see a particular rogue or cw focusing me much during a match, or a gwf or a gf. For example, Roar is great when CWs/ or particulars Trs are chasing me, but the moment a GF or other GWF comes to the play, i switch it to another skill with more dps, like RS or IBS.
adaptation is part of the gameplay. get hurt once, die, swith, and payback.
regardless of how defense of gwf is high, it is not ever bad to try to stack those options. and on the good side, you will probably make Trs and other CWs defense negative. In that case, if you use tenes, tenes will do overdps.
but I do agree with your last statment that it is not good enough to take care of a strong GWF. I believe GWFs are the nemesis of CW.
My advice: avoid confronting gwfs on 1 x 1. to be honest any class should avoid it but a tanky GF, and maybe a DC, since they can stall and control the node from the GWF very easy. try to walk in group and work as debuff/dps support aiming on targets busy with your team, at the same time rotating and trying get out of sight.
Not easy task I know. I do think CWs need to be buffed to be more fair in PvP tho.
thank you about the compliment:-)
Gannicus Destroyer, GWF Destroyer retired
Kate Beckinsale NB DC, Link NB GF
"There is only one way to be a champion..., Never ...ing lose"
Thank you for this acknowledgement.
The compliment is well deserved.
FaceRoller- regen recovery TR (put on the shelf for now) 14k GS
Supreme CHAOS - IV GF (put on the shelf for now) 16k GS
White Khalifa- tene/hp/regen CW (retired) 11k GS (tene)
Death From Above- TANK ranger 16kGS
(all halfling everything)
Proud rank 6 of: <Enemy Team>
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
8K damage?
Dude...can you just stop? this is hilarious..
You are CLUELESS about how they work xD.
Procing 8000 damage? i wish :P.
* and that was against people with almost no DR xD*
This your 100+ post of yours that is cluelessly clueless, on top of those that claimed a TR can do better dungeon damage than a CW (you were probably referring to the guys from /lfg that were just trying the class). You have no idea how these things work? You have no idea how much HP a GWF can accumulate these days? How fast he regens to full, so when one goes to contest, the GWF almost always starts close to 100% HP for full tene proc?
If YOU cannot proc for 8k, that doesn't mean somebody else cannot. And it was 8K AFTER DR.
Sure, some GWFs might still have "just" 35-36K HP. However you can get MUCH more.
BTW, a CW should not be able to explain this to you who has a GWF...
Tene use offence slots. Hp/Radiants use defensive.
Increasing HP = Decreasing # of Tenes.
Less Tene = less damage.
Increasing HP = decrease overall dmg.
8k is a mathematical exaggeration.
Perhaps the scenario of you getting hit for 8k makes zero sense for anyone who has a gwf or a calculator.
i already have so m uch much power, armor pen from new builds, that i do think tenes deserve room in my build.
Gannicus Destroyer, GWF Destroyer retired
Kate Beckinsale NB DC, Link NB GF
"There is only one way to be a champion..., Never ...ing lose"
^ Someone is mad... :P
And no proofs of your fairy tales either
You need atleast 40,000 HP and 7 G tenes and a target with 0% DR 0% deflect to get 8000 + damage on it.
I have a sent with 39k HP and tenes mate, and i have just showed you logs of my tenebrous damage
i wonder why best pvp guild still use C grade enchants and didnt find nothing better.
Do you think that the C grade enchant that they invested their energy/time to get, give up easily on that? Moreover, even if they want to sell it and swap to other enchant would that be easy?
No one wants it now dude.
Thank you, I appreciate the suggestions. They are most welcome. My gear is very bad, I just discovered the log this day, it's an amazing tool. I had no idea I could respec!!!!!!
I had entered a laborious study about wizardry after your advice and decided all I did was wrong!!!!!!
No more ranting from me, I am deeply humiliated by this amazingly deep post. *wipes tears of emotion from corner of the eyes*
PS - to anybody: if the tenes are worthless, please feel free to let me know ingame so I can take them from you. You don't want your pro PvP chars to perform badly in premades because you carry obsolete enchants, don't you?!? Be a pro, give me your tenes, get something better - don't disappoint your team!!!
top pvp players have any gear they want they said it many times.and if they start losing premades they would change tene in a sec.just sayin tene is still best enchant for pvp.if u trying a to push limits with your gear and stay ahead u need tenes thats a fact.
They not gonna make it balanced to please u.
I'm not alone in this. But some have become fed up with posting without real results, and others fear flaming from the tene guys.
I don't care about either.