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trippysmurf1trippysmurf1 Member Posts: 188 Bounty Hunter
edited December 2013 in Bug Reports (PC)
This does not seem to work on DC, at least the added damage. When I proc the enchantment on my CW it shows 2 sets of numbers in the combat log in the form ability deals <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> (<font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>) type of damage to target. This shows for both encounters and for at wills. For DC, I get just one set of numbers and no noticeable damage increase from at wills or encounters. I haven't been able to test the debuff, but if the buff isn't working then maybe the debuff isn't either? Thank you for your time.

Edited: So apparently it changes the tooltip damages rather than showing a damage modifier. Solved, it actually does work. I will say though that it does not affect heals and maybe it should?
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  • trippysmurf1trippysmurf1 Member Posts: 188 Bounty Hunter
    edited November 2013
    Not a single peep? Okay seriously how can an enchant be broken for an entire class, one of only 5 in the game and no one care?
  • rustlordrustlord Member Posts: 1,454 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    The devs supposedly visit here, but don't disclose information. On the other hand the moderators are not privy to answers.
  • fondlezfondlez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    You are right, just tested it. Feytouched does absolutely nothing on a DC, lol!
  • vorphiedvorphied Member Posts: 1,870 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    fondlez wrote: »
    You are right, just tested it. Feytouched does absolutely nothing on a DC, lol!

    Wow. If this is true for DC powers across the board, it makes for a fabulous case of Emperor's New Clothes for DCs who have been rocking it for the past couple months. I'm glad I didn't rush to bust out a Perfect Feytouched of my own.
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  • fondlezfondlez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    vorphied wrote: »
    Wow. If this is true for DC powers across the board, it makes for a fabulous case of Emperor's New Clothes for DCs who have been rocking it for the past couple months. I'm glad I didn't rush to bust out a Perfect Feytouched of my own.

    Yup, tested it with every damaging Encounter, against both trading dummies (zero mitigation) and enemies with known mitigation.
  • lazureelazuree Member Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    the debuff works, i try to save the debuff for critical hits like a shocking execution and I've noticed a significant dmg decrease
    However, I think the buff is broken right now for certain areas. In sharandar, the debuff applies to all the adds, but the buff has not been working. This has been occurring for about 3 weeks now, which is annoying when I do my dailies. Otherwise, the debuff is intact, and the buff applies for me still. However, the buff wasn't something I observed that closely on my dc when I was testing it on ptr and so I'm not sure if the dmg buff is actually 12%. I tested a regular feytouched a long long time ago with my cw and the buff seems to have the correct percentage.

    Another way to test the dmg debuff yourself is to see how tene dmg applies to you. I didn't tell this to anyone but it reduces tene dmg by 12% as well since the debuff is not part of your own personal defenses but reducing the opponents overall dmg. Their damage includes tenes so normally tenes should do the amount of dmg they are supposed to do and ignore defenses, etc other than barkshield. PVP vs a friend with tenes and check the logs to see if tene dmg is being reduced.
  • bongiebongie Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    +1 tested across multiple Classes and it appears its just completely broken for the DC. I would like to see a Dev post here and confirm or deny their knowledge of said BUG and possibly in the process of fixing it.

    Been tested on PTS and on Live, been tested in various environments and different Grades have been tested I.E normal through to Perfect..
  • fondlezfondlez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    lazuree wrote: »
    the debuff works

    It could be an enhancement rank issue, but I tested both the debuff and buff and neither work for the Lesser (3%). Here is a cleaned up version of a log test with my DC at 24.4% Damage Resistance and 24% Resistance Ignored (2,530 ArP) and no Class Features, like Foresight, nor 4pc set bonus slotted:

    [Combat (Self)] Ashen Miner deals 981 (1298) Necrotic to you with Necrotic Claw.
    [Combat (Self)] Ashen Miner deals 880 (1164) Necrotic to you with Necrotic Claw.
    [Combat (Self)] Ashen Miner deals 500 (1322) Necrotic to you with Necrotic Claw. (*)
    [Combat (Self)] Ashen Miner deals 888 (1174) Necrotic to you with Necrotic Claw.
    [Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Sun Burst deals 3026 Radiant to Ashen Miner.
    [Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Sun Burst deals 3242 Radiant to Ashen Miner.
    [Combat (Self)] Your Sun Burst deals 1812 Radiant to Ashen Miner.
    [Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Sun Burst deals 3130 Radiant to Ashen Miner.
    [Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Sun Burst deals 3037 Radiant to Ashen Miner.
    [Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Sun Burst gives 1351 (2252) Hit Points to you.
    [Combat (Self)] Ashen Miner deals 849 (1123) Necrotic to you with Necrotic Claw.
    [Combat (Self)] Ashen Miner deals 863 (1141) Necrotic to you with Necrotic Claw.
    [Combat (Self)] Ashen Miner deals 852 (1126) Necrotic to you with Necrotic Claw.
    [Combat (Self)] Your Lance of Faith deals 914 Radiant to Ashen Miner.
    [Combat (Self)] Ashen Miner deals 845 (1118) Necrotic to you with Necrotic Claw.
    [Combat (Self)] Your Lance of Faith deals 926 Radiant to Ashen Miner.
    [Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Lance of Faith deals 2240 Radiant to Ashen Miner.
    [Combat (Self)] Your Searing Light deals 1577 (1877) Radiant to Ashen Miner.
    [Combat (Self)] Your Searing Light deals 1604 (1910) Radiant to Ashen Miner.
    [Combat (Self)] Ashen Miner deals 958 (1266) Necrotic to you with Necrotic Claw.
    [Combat (Self)] Your Searing Light deals 1673 (1992) Radiant to Ashen Miner.
    [Combat (Self)] Your Searing Light deals 1654 (1970) Radiant to Ashen Miner.
    [Combat (Self)] Your Searing Light deals 1705 (2029) Radiant to Ashen Miner.
    [Combat (Self)] Your Searing Light deals 2850 (3393) Radiant to Ashen Miner.


    The Feytouched debuff icon is active throughout on the targets and the Feytouched Weapon buff is active throughout on me. Ashen Miner is a mob known to have 16% Damage Resistance.

    BUFF

    Note how Lance of Faith (one of few DCs Powers that benefit from Resistance Ignored currently on Live) has entries of the form "deals <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>" and not "deals YYY (<font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>)"? This shows no form of buff is applying. With other Powers like Searing Light that do not benefit from ArP it is a little bit more complicated but you can see, for example 1 - (1577/1877) = 16%, i.e. the same as the normal mitigation of the mob instead of an expected 13%.

    DEBUFF

    Note how every single incoming damage is exactly 24.4% damage reduction to within 1 decimal point (naturally, excluding Deflected attacks labelled with *).

    Hence, Feytouched does absolutely nothing but put up an icon on yourself and targets when you are a Cleric.
  • bongiebongie Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    fondlez wrote: »
    It could be an enhancement rank issue, but I tested both the debuff and buff and neither work for the Lesser (3%). Here is a cleaned up version of a log test with my DC at 24.4% Damage Resistance and 24% Resistance Ignored (2,530 ArP) and no Class Features, like Foresight, nor 4pc set bonus slotted:

    [Combat (Self)] Ashen Miner deals 981 (1298) Necrotic to you with Necrotic Claw.
    [Combat (Self)] Ashen Miner deals 880 (1164) Necrotic to you with Necrotic Claw.
    [Combat (Self)] Ashen Miner deals 500 (1322) Necrotic to you with Necrotic Claw. (*)
    [Combat (Self)] Ashen Miner deals 888 (1174) Necrotic to you with Necrotic Claw.
    [Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Sun Burst deals 3026 Radiant to Ashen Miner.
    [Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Sun Burst deals 3242 Radiant to Ashen Miner.
    [Combat (Self)] Your Sun Burst deals 1812 Radiant to Ashen Miner.
    [Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Sun Burst deals 3130 Radiant to Ashen Miner.
    [Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Sun Burst deals 3037 Radiant to Ashen Miner.
    [Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Sun Burst gives 1351 (2252) Hit Points to you.
    [Combat (Self)] Ashen Miner deals 849 (1123) Necrotic to you with Necrotic Claw.
    [Combat (Self)] Ashen Miner deals 863 (1141) Necrotic to you with Necrotic Claw.
    [Combat (Self)] Ashen Miner deals 852 (1126) Necrotic to you with Necrotic Claw.
    [Combat (Self)] Your Lance of Faith deals 914 Radiant to Ashen Miner.
    [Combat (Self)] Ashen Miner deals 845 (1118) Necrotic to you with Necrotic Claw.
    [Combat (Self)] Your Lance of Faith deals 926 Radiant to Ashen Miner.
    [Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Lance of Faith deals 2240 Radiant to Ashen Miner.
    [Combat (Self)] Your Searing Light deals 1577 (1877) Radiant to Ashen Miner.
    [Combat (Self)] Your Searing Light deals 1604 (1910) Radiant to Ashen Miner.
    [Combat (Self)] Ashen Miner deals 958 (1266) Necrotic to you with Necrotic Claw.
    [Combat (Self)] Your Searing Light deals 1673 (1992) Radiant to Ashen Miner.
    [Combat (Self)] Your Searing Light deals 1654 (1970) Radiant to Ashen Miner.
    [Combat (Self)] Your Searing Light deals 1705 (2029) Radiant to Ashen Miner.
    [Combat (Self)] Your Searing Light deals 2850 (3393) Radiant to Ashen Miner.


    The Feytouched debuff icon is active throughout on the targets and the Feytouched Weapon buff is active throughout on me. Ashen Miner is a mob known to have 16% Damage Resistance.

    BUFF

    Note how Lance of Faith (one of few DCs Powers that benefit from Resistance Ignored currently on Live) has entries of the form "deals <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>" and not "deals YYY (<font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>)"? This shows no form of buff is applying. With other Powers like Searing Light that do not benefit from ArP it is a little bit more complicated but you can see, for example 1 - (1577/1877) = 16%, i.e. the same as the normal mitigation of the mob instead of an expected 13%.

    DEBUFF

    Note how every single incoming damage is exactly 24.4% damage reduction to within 1 decimal point (naturally, excluding Deflected attacks labelled with *).

    Hence, Feytouched does absolutely nothing but put up an icon on yourself and targets when you are a Cleric.

    +111111 to this :)

    Thanks for taking the extra time to include actual numbers.. Lets see if we can get some official response here..
  • trippysmurf1trippysmurf1 Member Posts: 188 Bounty Hunter
    edited November 2013
    redacted /10char
  • lazureelazuree Member Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    i'll take some screenies later... but it does work
    need someone with tenes to help me out:)
  • josiahiyonjosiahiyon Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 396 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Here's a pic of the buff w/ a greater feytouched. Compare the first 8 with the last 3. Roughly 10% more damage.

    feytbuff.png

    Here's the feytouched debuff. Differences before/after divine glow. 8.5%.

    feytdebuff.png

    Ignore the deflects
    Pvpbysynergy.png
    Iyon the Dark
  • fondlezfondlez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    josiahiyon wrote: »
    Here's a pic of the buff w/ a greater feytouched. Compare the first 8 with the last 3. Roughly 10% more damage.

    There's no way to tell from just that log that there is any damage increase from the buff portion of Feytouched because your Sacred Flame tooltip range will be something like "805-936 Radiant Damage". That's a 16% damage variance which is more than the highest buff from Perfect Feytouched of 12%.

    The only way to know for sure is to test over a significant duration or high number of hits (100+) and compare with and without the weapon enhancement.

    Alternatively, as lazuree has already said, you can choose to just trust the spell tooltip (which have often known to be incorrect in other circumstances) and check if they change during the weapon enhancement use. Mine changed from "805-936 Radiant Damage" to "829-964 Radiant Damage" in combat for the Lesser. So, he may be right about the damage buff part of Feytouched.

    As an aside, I believe this is the only weapon enhancement in the game that buffs damage by buffing your Powers in this way. All others apply a damage buff to damage dealt and are easily observed in the logs. Not even Bronzewood, which was introduced at the same time as Feytouched, works in this way. Hence verifying Feytouched is not a trivial issue.
    josiahiyon wrote: »
    Here's the feytouched debuff. Differences before/after divine glow. 8.5%.
    Ignore the deflects

    BEFORE

    Ashen Miner deals 680 (1290). Implied damage reduction = 1 - (680/1290) = 47.3%
    Ashen Miner deals 730 (1385). Implied damage reduction = 1 - (730/1385) = 47.3%

    AFTER

    Ashen Miner deals 730 (1385). Implied damage reduction = 1 - (730/1385) = 47.3%
    Ashen Miner deals 538 (1021). Implied damage reduction = 1 - (538/1021) = 47.3%

    So, nothing changed - there is even one attack damage amount that is identical before and after!

    And assuming you have Foresight (6%) + Benefit of Foresight (5%), I'm betting your Damage Resistance then was 36.3%.
  • josiahiyonjosiahiyon Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 396 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    fondlez wrote: »
    Note how every single incoming damage is exactly 24.4% damage reduction to within 1 decimal point (naturally, excluding Deflected attacks labelled with *).

    Hence, Feytouched does absolutely nothing but put up an icon on yourself and targets when you are a Cleric.
    fondlez wrote: »
    BEFORE:

    Ashen Miner deals 680 (1290). Implied damage reduction = 1 - (730/1385) = 47.3%
    Ashen Miner deals 730 (1385). Implied damage reduction = 1 - (730/1385) = 47.3%

    AFTER:

    Ashen Miner deals 730 (1385). Implied damage reduction = 1 - (730/1385) = 47.3%
    Ashen Miner deals 538 (1021). Implied damage reduction = 1 - (730/1385) = 47.3%

    So, nothing changed.

    And assuming you have Foresight (5%) + Benefit of Foresight (6%), I'm betting your Damage Resistance is 36.3%.


    You missed the point. Feytouched doesn't increase your DR. It reduces the initial damage (number in parenthesis). But yes, 36.3% is correct.
    Pvpbysynergy.png
    Iyon the Dark
  • josiahiyonjosiahiyon Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 396 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    fondlez wrote: »
    The only way to know for sure is to test over a significant duration or high number of hits (100+) and compare with and without the weapon enhancement.

    Right, and this is what I did on the test server awhile ago.
    Pvpbysynergy.png
    Iyon the Dark
  • lewel555lewel555 Member Posts: 616 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Bugs aside, how does it work ?

    Your encounter powers siphon away 12% of your target's damage. This damage is converted into 12% more damage for you. This effect may only happen once every 20 seconds.


    How long does it last ?
  • trippysmurf1trippysmurf1 Member Posts: 188 Bounty Hunter
    edited November 2013
    lewel555 wrote: »
    Bugs aside, how does it work ?

    Your encounter powers siphon away 12% of your target's damage. This damage is converted into 12% more damage for you. This effect may only happen once every 20 seconds.


    How long does it last ?

    Lasts for 10 seconds out of every 20. Just wish it added to the "damage" of heals.
  • lewel555lewel555 Member Posts: 616 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Lasts for 10 seconds out of every 20. Just wish it added to the "damage" of heals.

    Then, how does it compare with the other enchants, such as the flaming one?

    Flaming: Perfect +12% Fire damage. Burn 4% of weapon damage every seconds for 3s, stacks 3 times.

    Intuitively I would say that the Feytouched effect should be permanent to be on par with the flaming one.
  • fondlezfondlez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    lewel555 wrote: »
    Then, how does it compare with the other enchants, such as the flaming one?

    Flaming: Perfect +12% Fire damage. Burn 4% of weapon damage every seconds for 3s, stacks 3 times.

    Intuitively I would say that the Feytouched effect should be permanent to be on par with the flaming one.

    For Flaming and other proccing enchants, that's base "weapon damage" not overall damage increase for all your damaging powers - a very big difference. So, the Feytouched buff itself, in theory, is much more powerful. However, in practice and assuming it works, due to its 50% duration, that translates to only 6% sustained damage increase overall for the Perfect. That means even a Normal Flaming enhancement is comparable and a Greater or Perfect Flaming enhancement is 2% to 4% respectively higher sustained damage.
  • ladysylvialadysylvia Member Posts: 946 Bounty Hunter
    edited November 2013
    fondlez wrote: »
    For Flaming and other proccing enchants, that's base "weapon damage" not overall damage increase for all your damaging powers - a very big difference. So, the Feytouched buff itself, in theory, is much more powerful. However, in practice and assuming it works, due to its 50% duration, that translates to only 6% sustained damage increase overall for the Perfect. That means even a Normal Flaming enhancement is comparable and a Greater or Perfect Flaming enhancement is 2% to 4% respectively higher sustained damage.

    You have to calculate with skill damage vs. weapon damage. 12% Damage increase of base skill damage is far more than 30% of weapon damage. 3000 skill damage with 500 weapon = 3360 skill damage vs. 3150. That's a difference of 210 damage. Even with crit it get higher difference. Second the flaming have an dot, that is reduced by DR more as the normal skilldamage. Third if you can hit more than 3 times in the 3s, the dot isn't fully working for calculation(mean that you can't 4*30% because only 4*15% + 3*15% currently running as example).
  • slushpsychoslushpsycho Member Posts: 657 Bounty Hunter
    edited December 2013
    wow can't believe u guys debate about this..

    Feytouched buff work as a direct buff on your encounter toolip. so no u won't see the difference from combat log (<font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>) <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>

    Look at your encounter toolip, it works perfectly.
  • fondlezfondlez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    wow can't believe u guys debate about this..

    Feytouched buff work as a direct buff on your encounter toolip. so no u won't see the difference from combat log (<font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>) <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>

    Look at your encounter toolip, it works perfectly.

    We are not. You just necroed a month old post, which is against forum rules by the way. Unsubscribed.
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