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Control Wizard - Human or Tiefling / WISDOM or CHARISMA

entellexentellex Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 11 Arc User
edited November 2013 in The Library
I know it probably depends on my playstyle. But I would like other player's opinions and suggestions.

Human or Tiefling?

Are the extra 3 feats worth it for human?

For a secondary stat, should I focus on Wisdom or Charisma?

Thanks everyone!
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  • mailbromailbro Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Race doesn't matter.
  • entellexentellex Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    And why not? Lol.
  • degraafinationdegraafination Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Race matters.
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  • pers3phonepers3phone Banned Users, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    mailbro wrote: »
    Race doesn't matter.

    Sure... all those halflings from top PvP guilds are probably a fluke, they chose the race cause it looks like a freak child of sorts... who knows. Mysteries of NWO.
  • fondlezfondlez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Min-maxing, Tiefling outshines other races in damage (due to +2 CHA, +2 INT and Bloodhunt), but the difference is very small indeed. Human gets +2 CHA/INT and 3% Learned Spellcaster.

    So, race does not matter except in PvP. There Halfling wins by a large margin, but only for survivability due to its Deflection and HP bonus. In addition, CW's benefit the least of all the classes from the Deflection bonus because,

    1. they only get 0.5% Deflection per point from DEX and nothing else useful
    2. stacking Defense or even high Deflection on a CW is impractical or unsuitable for the role CWs are most often required in high level PvP (i.e. as a sniper or debuffer).

    WIS used to be a reasonable stat for CWs pre-Feywild. It is virtually useless now and with the new upcoming major patch.
  • entellexentellex Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Do you mind explaining why its useless now? o:
  • fondlezfondlez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    entellex wrote: »
    Do you mind explaining why its useless now? o:

    The main value of WIS is from the bonus to Recharge Speed Increase and AP gain. Both are good to have, but the role of CWs as AP/Daily spamming for control has diminished severely due to consecutive strong AP nerfs and much of the endgame content has been changed to reflect that. Thus, stacking WIS is less effective than just increasing your damage via CHA.
  • entellexentellex Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Okay... I see.
  • akennakenn Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    personally i have a teifling and it seems to me the 3 feat points for human comes out better for dps purposes as a cw learned spellcaster is <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> those points go way farther in aoe damage feats wife has a cw human and she out dps me with equal gear so i use her toon and she used mine i out dps her and its not marginal try it out if you dont agree thats why i am invoking a second human cw when it hits 60 i am gearing it and changing for sure

    let me tell you both cw are geared equally and stats same except i got 2 more int also feats are same with exception her extra 3 goes into boosted aoe damage and it makes a big difference

    tell me your thoughts
  • fondlezfondlez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    akenn wrote: »
    personally i have a teifling and it seems to me the 3 feat points for human comes out better for dps purposes as a cw learned spellcaster is <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> those points go way farther in aoe damage feats wife has a cw human and she out dps me with equal gear so i use her toon and she used mine i out dps her and its not marginal try it out if you dont agree thats why i am invoking a second human cw when it hits 60 i am gearing it and changing for sure

    Uh... The point is that as a Human you can take the aoe feats and 5/5 Learned Spellcaster. As a Tiefling you can take the aoe feats and 2/5 Learned Spellcaster.

    Your dps problems have nothing to do with race.
  • akennakenn Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    pprestdigitation does more dps than learned spell caster chec out your damage/heal with learned spellcaster then with prestdig it goes up alot more with prestidig i have re speced alot and kept notes you should take it and aoe increases over learned spell caster

    if you think this is wrong please explain why the math and numbers i keep getting say learned spell caster is not worth my time
  • entellexentellex Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    akenn wrote: »
    personally i have a teifling and it seems to me the 3 feat points for human comes out better for dps purposes as a cw learned spellcaster is <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> those points go way farther in aoe damage feats wife has a cw human and she out dps me with equal gear so i use her toon and she used mine i out dps her and its not marginal try it out if you dont agree thats why i am invoking a second human cw when it hits 60 i am gearing it and changing for sure

    let me tell you both cw are geared equally and stats same except i got 2 more int also feats are same with exception her extra 3 goes into boosted aoe damage and it makes a big difference

    tell me your thoughts

    This is what I thought. I see alot of eats that could use those 3 extra points. I looked at several builds online for CWs and just looked at left over feats that could use those 3 and I BELIEVE it would be better than 2 extra stats. Not sure about the other 5% bonus damage from Tiefling though
  • akennakenn Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    i would say take human and take prestidig 3 and all other points in the aoe boost feats and learned spellcaster when rest are full
  • freedumb4evafreedumb4eva Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 342
    edited November 2013
    akenn wrote: »
    i would say take human and take prestidig 3 and all other points in the aoe boost feats and learned spellcaster when rest are full

    I have to agree there. My build utilizes Prestidigitation and AoE feats. I wish that Cryptic would fix our encounters so that they are all properly affected by stats and feats, though. Maybe one day they will be.

    Personally, I prefer Wisdom over Charisma. More information is in my build thread.
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