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Is there any good reason to buy the expensive packs any more?

mmuircastlemmuircastle Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 21 Arc User
edited October 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
Cryptic & Neverwinter have done it again.

After introducing Drow in the Founder's Pack, Drow became a F2P character race. Oh, wait. It's slightly different.

After introducing the Moon Elves in the Knights of the Feywild Pack, the "Sun Elves" came to be a F2P character race. Oh, wait. It's slightly different.

Now the companion from the Knights of the Feywild Pack is available. Oh, wait. It's slightly different.

I sense a trend.
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  • melodywhrmelodywhr Member Posts: 4,220 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    "expensive" is subjective considering most game titles cost you $60 at minimum. tack on limited editions with extras and you could double that price.

    that said, any new players could benefit from the items within the updated packs. and existing players could want the items offered within those packs. as always, these packs are not required to play.

    and what isn't a value to you could be a value to someone else. when i bought the guardian pack, i didn't buy it for any exclusives. i bought it because i wanted to support this awesome game. i actually bought two of these and gave one away. and there were no race exclusives in my pack.
  • silvikksilvikk Member Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    They made it very clear from the start that the Drow race wold be available to all some time after the game's launch. I believe it was also made clear that the Sun Elf race would similarly be available to all, with the Moon Elves being exclusive to those with the KoF pack. The only one that even slightly comes as a surprise is the new companion, but it costs $35 for one, as opposed to being bundled with other things at $60.
  • sasheriasasheria Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    silvikk wrote: »
    They made it very clear from the start that the Drow race wold be available to all some time after the game's launch. I believe it was also made clear that the Sun Elf race would similarly be available to all, with the Moon Elves being exclusive to those with the KoF pack. The only one that even slightly comes as a surprise is the new companion, but it costs $35 for one, as opposed to being bundled with other things at $60.

    This.

    You don't need the packs to play (I bought them all) It is a trend. Cryptic will release limited edition to people who buy the packs BUT will also release the "general edition" to everyone else. It makes sense.
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  • runebanerunebane Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Just because something similar exists, it doesn't discount the original. Some people might like the sylph over the pixie. I know I'd prefer the HOTN's spider over the gilded one. In both of those situations the pack version is also better because it is account-wide and the alternative is not.

    I just wish they'd make the packs buyable with Zen. I'm not going to drop $200 to get that spider anytime soon. But I would gladly trade $200 worth of AD on the exchange to buy it with Zen.
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  • sasheriasasheria Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    runebane wrote: »
    Just because something similar exists, it doesn't discount the original. Some people might like the sylph over the pixie. I know I'd prefer the HOTN's spider over the gilded one. In both of those situations the pack version is also better because it is account-wide and the alternative is not.

    I just wish they'd make the packs buyable with Zen. I'm not going to drop $200 to get that spider anytime soon. But I would gladly trade $200 worth of AD on the exchange to buy it with Zen.

    I think they did it with cash because people can EARN zen via AD/Zen market. This way, they can inject more cash into development.
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  • silvikksilvikk Member Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    sasheria wrote: »
    I think they did it with cash because people can EARN zen via AD/Zen market. This way, they can inject more cash into development.

    Indeed. Whether or not you're happy with this setup depends I guess on whether or not there's things in the pack that you want.
  • bioshrikebioshrike Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,729 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    mmuircastle wrote: »
    Cryptic & Neverwinter have done it again.

    After introducing Drow in the Founder's Pack, Drow became a F2P character race. Oh, wait. It's slightly different.

    After introducing the Moon Elves in the Knights of the Feywild Pack, the "Sun Elves" came to be a F2P character race. Oh, wait. It's slightly different.

    Now the companion from the Knights of the Feywild Pack is available. Oh, wait. It's slightly different.

    I sense a trend.

    IIRC, you couldn't even use the items in the Feywild pack until the related campaign went live, so it's not like they duped you. Also, while you may discount the differences between the pay-for and free versions of the races, they are still different... and some might prefer one over the other. I mean, I've seen people get all excited over a special edition iPod or something that was *just* a different color... at least there are more significant changes here.

    I'd also like to point out that there are precious few ways to unlock an account-wide companion... so if you want to spend $35 for 1 pixie companion for one character, instead of $60 for an account wide one, plus an account wide T3 mount, plus an account wide fashion set, plus 600K ADs, etc, then be my guest...
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  • grungebrmpkgrungebrmpk Member, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 201 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2013
    Yes, just the mounts for all chars it woths it.

    Put other thing together... :D
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  • furiannetfuriannet Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    The amount of real cash you can put into this game for simple items, such as bank slots, or the lottery with the purple bags is nuts. They are greedy... a bank slot shouldn't cost 10$
  • runebanerunebane Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    sasheria wrote: »
    I think they did it with cash because people can EARN zen via AD/Zen market. This way, they can inject more cash into development.

    You can earn AD and trade it for Zen. But someone had to buy that Zen in the first place. Either way they would get a similar amount of money. (It might vary a bit due to Zen sales, but they could boost the price a little to make up for that.) I have a feeling its something else keeping them from doing this. Could be wrong though.
    grungebrmpk wrote: »
    Yes, just the mounts for all chars it woths it.

    You can get a rank 3 mount for all characters without a pack for $25 or 2500 Zen. So purely money wise its not the best deal for a mount. The packs can still be worth it though. It just depends on how much you want -all- the things it.
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  • xcessiveforce40xcessiveforce40 Member Posts: 246 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    What is the difference between the KotF slyph vs the sprite? Other than being account wide?
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  • enixonbbenixonbb Member Posts: 71
    edited October 2013
    I gotta say someone complaining about Drow and Sun Elves being free and devaluing the premium Drow Renegade and Moon Elves is a nice change of pace from the people that were complaining about the premium race variants, chanting "pay to win, pay to win" over the mostly cosmetic differences when the packs were first announced.
  • rortierortie Member Posts: 178 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2013
    runebane wrote: »
    You can get a rank 3 mount for all characters without a pack for $25 or 2500 Zen. So purely money wise its not the best deal for a mount. The packs can still be worth it though. It just depends on how much you want -all- the things it.

    You picked the easy part to respond to. How about the companions?

    Guardian/Feywild both have a high quality companion that is redeemable per char, which Zen shop companions are not. If one then factors in having four or more characters, this soon pays for most of the value of the pack just for that!
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  • lordxenitelordxenite Member Posts: 172 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    If you buy a pack, for just one item in it rather than the whole package in it... you're doing it "wrong"
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  • rortierortie Member Posts: 178 Bounty Hunter
    edited October 2013
    Wrong? *sigh* *shake head* If someone is happy to buy a pack for half the contents, it's right. The customer is....
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  • melodywhrmelodywhr Member Posts: 4,220 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    if i had a dollar for every person that calls cryptic/pwe or any company for that matter GREEDY... i'd be rich. but would that make me greedy?

    here's the philosophy of greed:

    you have someone with a profitable idea and they want to get paid for it. greedy? maybe. if that profitable idea is for the good of the masses, the answer is still maybe. but should people just give away their good ideas for free? look what happened to nikola tesla. ideas stolen, run over by other industries and died penniless.

    let's say you take your idea and you find yourself some investors and you start a company. are the investors greedy? i mean, they already have money... right? i mean... we don't really know anything about either of these people. we just know that one has an idea and the other has money to invest.

    so we take our idea man and the investors and we hire ourselves some managers to run our company. are the managers greedy? they're just looking to make money... make an honest wage, yeah?

    then... after we hire managers, we need to hire people for them to manage. so are our workers greedy? are we even paying them enough? i mean, they're all in full support of the company because they work there... right? can we assume that? just like everyone else that we've listed thus far, we don't know anything more about these people than we do the original idea man and the investors. sure, we can make assumptions about whoever and whatever we want, but that doesn't necessarily make those assumptions facts.

    i mean... we could have a discussion about the distributed wealth in the US and how most of it is retained by the top 5%. does that make the rest of the 95% greedy?

    the fact that cryptic/pwe is providing a free service (all you are required to have is a sufficient computer and internet connection...) and the fact that they are a for-profit company means they need to get paid for what they do... otherwise there is no company. another fact is that you don't need to buy a bank slot to play this game. you don't need to buy a single thing to play this game. rather than create another subscription based company, they are letting you play this game for free. and no one is pressuring you to buy zen or to shop in the zen store. just like any other company, they announce and advertise their specials and incentives. but how that makes them greedy mcmoney-grabber, i do not understand.
  • faiteaccompliifaiteaccomplii Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 2
    edited October 2013
    I think the fact they come with AD (2mil on the original and 600k on Feywald) does also make them worth something. They come with outfits and other things .......the sprite and sylph are actually pretty different.

    The unicorns were a little bad, how they looked EXACTLY alike other than color, other than that it doesn't really bug me :)
  • runebanerunebane Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    rortie wrote: »
    You picked the easy part to respond to. How about the companions?

    I responded to a post that mentioned the mounts specifically. The whole post:
    grungebrmpk wrote: »
    Yes, just the mounts for all chars it woths it.

    Put other thing together... :D

    While the account-wide mount is nice. The account-wide part isn't worth the cost alone since there are other ways to get it.
    rortie wrote: »
    Guardian/Feywild both have a high quality companion that is redeemable per char, which Zen shop companions are not. If one then factors in having four or more characters, this soon pays for most of the value of the pack just for that!

    If you had read my other post in this thread you'd see that I agree with you on the companions. Though that is slightly muted by how many characters you want to use that companion with. Its really up to each person if the pack is worth it or not. I just pointed out that only buying it for an account wide rank 3 mount is not the best deal. However if you are looking for that spider-mount or the white unicorn, its the only way to get them.
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