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- The cost of removing an enchant is actually less than the current market price of 2 ranks higher enchant.
- The cost of respeccing is at least 80% cheaper than it currently is. In fact, it is easier to re-level a character than to even look at the astronomical cost of re-speccing.
- People will buy more stuff from the zen shop when the price of one mount is made below a price of a full AAA game on steam, you know as in Microtransactions, Micro is the keyword here.
- The cost of respeccing is at least 80% cheaper than it currently is. In fact, it is easier to re-level a character than to even look at the astronomical cost of re-speccing.
- People will buy more stuff from the zen shop when the price of one mount is made below a price of a full AAA game on steam, you know as in Microtransactions, Micro is the keyword here.
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When you can remove and sell your current enchant you need less money to buy your new one which = less zen sales
I have purchased like 10+ respecs, they are super cheap already, lowering the cost would not increase sales by enough to make more money via more but cheaper sales.
If mounts were only 1k for a 110% that would amount to only ~340k AD in which case everyone would purchase them for AD and no one would use zen = less zen sales
So.... PW: You will make LESS money when... is your new title.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
You spent 30 dollars on re-specs...wow!
It doesn't matter whether zen or AD is used to purchase mounts, what matters is the dollar/AD conversion. Whether you buy it with AD or Zen, PW would have sold a mount. It takes very little IQ to understand this you know.
I spent 0 dollars on respecs b/c ~100k AD = full respec. I did however spend some money for R8 enchants rather than unsocketing all my lower ones and selling them to get more AD.
If Zen prices are drastically lowered then you will need less zen to buy things, so less zen will be bought by free players which will drive the exchange rate down as demand decreases, and in turn will discourage a large portion of the paying community from buying zen if there is a low exchange rate. Very simple and basic economics at work here.
I purchased some zen after patch when exchange rates were very nice around 380AD/zen and I got a greater enchant and some R8's. Now that it's around 340AD/zen. I wouldn't even consider spending money right now as I would lose a couple hundred thousand AD just from exchange rates. On their next successful content release prices will be sure to go up again though, and if there is something that I need I could very well be persuaded to purchase zen while it's going for 370AD or more.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
I agree with this, I would even pay more for Race/Initial stat roll changes
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
Since I bring up gambling, it would be fair to point out that Vegas wins that gamble all the time and has for quite some time. But of course Vegas has some serious capital investment and as we have seen, PWE and Cryptic are really pushing the minimum investment for maximum output stratagem here.
So this becomes one of those booths on the way to the bigtop. Try your luck, throw a thousand throws to try to win the pretend prize or just buy it outright for a wad of cash. The hard part for me is watching all the people line up to throw money into that booth. But it is their money, they can throw it any way they choose I suppose.
Still there has t be a point at which one has to admit that one has emptied out sums of cash for absolutely nothing. Clearly that point is further into the debit for some than others.
First, do not measure someone's IQ with your inner scanner. It is broken.
Second, there is a significant difference between Zen bought with dollars and AD acquired by selling dungeon items on the AH.
Third, yes, people can spend 30 dollars for their respecs, mounts or whatever -since they earn enough and find the game enjoyable. Or how do you see an ftp game being developed? PW don't eat air and drink holy spirit; they also have tons of bills to pay and plans for future projects. All that requires funding. That's why i (and many other players) agree to pay some money and have an enjoyable game in return.
And just like Vegas if you go there to have fun and enjoy yourself while gambling you have a great time, where as if you aren't happy unless you win at everything then you're never going to be happy...
If you spend money on this game because you enjoy it and are having fun then the "absolutely nothing" that you purchased is going to increase your enjoyment, as you're already having fun.
The complainers are the ones that either don't have any money to spend on the game and want everything handed to them, or just really don't enjoy it. The latter are the ones that simply quit and play another game, the fore are the folks that come on these forums every day and complain about everything being overpriced.
I was up 600 dollars at the poker table last time I was in Vegas, I was tipping the waitress like mad and she brought me drink after drink after drink. Needless to say I started feeling those drinks and played my way back down to even, overall I lost money gambling during the trip. I have nothing whatsoever to show for it except for good memories, but I had a blast and would totally do it over again.
I am having lots of fun on neverwinter. Did I get anything real for the 100 dollars I spent on it? No. But I don't care b/c it made my character better which enhanced my enjoyment. I would have paid 60 dollars just for the game if it wasn't free to play.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
Nothing wrong with respeccs imo.
Mounts are a bit too expensive but not by much. But the problem with Zen Shop is not prices (although there are some exceptions). There is just not enough fluff. It can be hard to generate income from a limited product range. This can also lead to stagnation in Zen/AD exchange with those that have AD sitting on a hoard because there is little to spend it on.
But its still early days and recent actions suggest to me that the devs are currently looking at the whole AD economy, inluding the effect on AD creation and destruction.
R8 and above are worth pulling out, which makes it prudent to just stick with R5's until you can afford a R8. That's what I'm doing on my characters that aren't fully geared, save up for one R8 at a time.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
I love the “but they gotta make money” argument.
I don’t want to be overly bellicose about it but PWE’s bills are not my problem and they are not yours either. PWE and Cryptic need to develop solutions that engage their target audience, solutions that are interesting and innovative giving the impression that the product cannot be acquired anywhere else and is fully worth the money asked for it.
That’s what they gotta do. And if they instead fail at that and resort of streetside con-artistry and cash grabbing in a gesture that looks nothing short of desperate, that’s not my fault or yours. Don’t ask me to take personal responsibility for the poor business decisions of PWE. I certainly won’t ask you to.
If you feel that PWE has legitimately worked to bring you a unique and enthralling product that you can’t find anywhere else. Then by all means support their efforts and give them your money.
I personally feel that they have hijacked some significant IP and currently have it staked out in a field while sniping the wallets of anyone who goes out to see it.
They don’t have to MAKE money, they have to EARN money. And when they do the work and offer the quality on par with other games, they will earn mine.
The removal also serves as a sink. If it is being avoided (and I wholly agree with u on above) then its missing a trick. But as I said, I think things will come down, even if its only for lower ranks.
I take the example of another F2P game, Path of Exile, which I do play and enjoy, I did put around 50$ in that game on custom looks and pets and storage (there are no game advantage items, only customization, non combat pets, animations and such) and it was all worth it, because it was enough to make my gameplay enjoyable. Compared to NW, If I put the same amount I get practically nothing. Please...a 24 slot bag for 10 dollars on only 1 character.
I give you my 50$ but just make it worth it is all I am asking.
Just my 2c
market prices fluctuate though, what would you set as price to remove R5? say it were 3k, silveries aren't worth that, half the time the others are and half the time their not. If you set it at less than 1k to make silveries worth it how much of an AD sink is it really? lol 750 AD to remove my enchant, might as well make it cost nothing.
I mean maybe for R6 and 7 they could come up with something but market prices on those fluctuate a lot as well.
@xilinear: You forgot the part where you get 99% of the game for free and that spending money just makes things easier. I quite enjoy the game and I don't regret spending money at all, it got me the gear I wanted weeks faster than I would have been able to farm (and I didn't have to run dungeons over and over and over that are boring heh)
I paid $60 dollars for Diablo 3 (I actually also had to buy a new video card and in turn a new fan to play it so technically add another $100 lol) I played it for about a month and then lost interest. This is just one of numerous examples of games I played for ~1 month and got tired of and I spent 30-60$ on each of them.
I played NW for over 2 months before I spent anything. I started playing on first day of open beta and have played it exclusively since then. I would say that is worth my money if there is something I want in the game. You can't say "OMG too expensive" when everything other than the items in the zen shop are absolutely free forever.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
I have 1 of each class at 60 and have started a 2nd TR b/c I wanted to try a different build with different initial stat rolls and race. A race change token would be awesome Cryptic
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
I referred to 'market driven' prices 'difficult to track' in my first post.
I don’t think it’s a good thing to try to bring statistics into this. I would wager that the real free content is significantly less than 99% but no need to be ticky, I’ll just assume you were taking rhetorical license.
But can you see the point that you yourself are making in the above paragraph? The alternative to spending money is equivalent to walking ten miles to work rather than taking a car. Yes, it’s possible but why would anyone imagine that to be reasonable? In your own statement it seem clear that the choices are between have a boring time for free or pay money. Come play the game and have a bad time OR give us lots of money and get to call everyone who can’t or don’t want to pay money complainers.
Is this the caliber of game you want to prosper? Is this the sort of business acumen you want to propagate as “successful”?
Master Cribstaxxx has spent a load on the game and in Vegas and certainly in any number of other ventures. And that’s his choice. He (or she) gets to spend whatever on whatever. I just urge people not to pay for a substandard product. And don’t just drop it and go somewhere else. If you want NW to be great then ask that they get off the cash grab express and turn it into a real experience worth some money. I think as much is alluded to in the OP.
It’s free to grind, free to be bored, free to have a frustrating time, anything more costs real money. I just think it should be worth it.
I have 5 60's, 1 of each class. All of them except DC have full T2, and the BiS accessories I want for them (DC has 3/4 T2, come on spell drop my **** helm =P) I achieved all that + rank 7 enchants + lesser soulforged + a regular vorpal on 1 character and some lesser weapon enchants on other without spending a dime.
You're right I am wrong about 99%, absolutely 100% of CONTENT is completely free. The pay items, other than 110% mount for PvP reasons only, are completely fluff and uneeded. I bought 110% mount, 4 character slots, countless respecs, fashion clothes and dye's, and ioun stone without spending a dime and I had fun doing it, it wasn't a grind.
Now that I am nearly finished with all my gear and have run every dungeon many times I'm a little tired of PvE and I want to focus on PvP. You do better in PvP with greater and R8-9 enchants so I spent some money to avoid grinding to increase my effectiveness in PvP by maybe 5% at best. The difference between R5-6 and R8 enchants is quite minimal and regular vorpal vs greater vorpal isn't that huge of a deal, it's just something I wanted as I am now part of a PvP guild and many people have the higher tier gear.
So to answer your question I could be fully satisfied, get 100% of the game including tons of the zen store items all for no investment whatsoever. Were it not for my desire to be a little better in PvP and want to evade the time it took to earn that AD, I never would have spent a dime, and would still be playing and enjoying myself.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
Because $3 is an astronomical cost. You must be posting from one of the poorest countries on earth, that it is cheaper for you to spend the time to level to 60 again rather than to pay $3 for a respec, as what you are saying here suggests that you do not put much value on your time.
Maybe. Then again, I see a lot of people on purchased mounts, including the most expensive black unicorn, so they seem to be making a fair amount of money on them. Maybe, for them, it's not broke.