@axis40 cmon be nice @rotatorkuf most people want to play the DMG/DD/DPS Role, seems more fun to play and you see numbers, but only a few stick to the DC , GF and in this game the CW.(most ppl dont feel rewarded while playing this class)
example:
In most MMOS there is a lack of tank heal support or Control playerbase, as it feels not as rewarding as beating the snark out of your enemies.
I for myself love to support tank and heal, but the majority seem so love watching big numbers pop up on a NPC and the healthbar of their enemie shall drop down.
If it is positive or negative is everyones personal opinion. But if there is a lack of those special classes , the people will only search for them.
People are looking for CWs because most CWs don't bother anymore with CN. And people are looking for CWs for malabog's castle because CWs don't need the crappy set you get with the tokens you get. But CWs are looking for people to do karrundax, because it's very profitable for them (pyro band & main hand).
It's not because people love CWs, it's because people want CWs to do non profitable content. I'd say that any CW doing malabog for anything but fun has something wrong in the head.
no idea what you 2 guys are on about, i never said i was a gwf, assumed because you like to assume i guess
i was just stating a fact, and wondering why that fact exists....neither of you answered it (especially rakinz, wtf did you just say? lol)
well its very simple gwf are 3rd single target dps, 2,3 in aoe,2nd tank,why take secondary when you can have primary simple as that....i have pvp feats on my gwf but also have full avatar set ancients gplaq stone with 12,6gs.8gs cw beat me in dps in karrundax
i was leading till the end but still i was 2nd lol.so some will say l2p...but in pvp i say that lol.
To to OP.. Im always looking for a GWF.. I hardly ever run a dungeon without one.. I was actually looking for one here the other day for CN.. I would rather run a good GWF in CN than a TR.. More survivability and they can do a ton of damage and help the team if they have a greater of perfect plague fire.. With that being said i wouldnt take an average GWF over a CW or TR in any dungeon.. But in my guild we have some 14k gs GWF's that are always in my groups.. So my advice would be to get in a guild, and show people you can play your class and do good damage.
People have already covered it well. Most people stick to gwf and tr and other classes are rarer so are in more demand. CW are also very useful for controlling adds and pushing them off cliffs (Castle Never in particular helps to have 2 or 3 CW so you have more demand there), GFs can be useful but may not be necessary depending, DCs are very important for keeping everyone alive and so are also high in demand, I personally became a DC since I didn't want to rely on bad healers on my team, of course other people can bring the team down if theyre not as good as the rest of the team, but as a DC you counter some of that.
Additionally though, GWF are multi target, they can be useful but TRs are probably the safer bet since they can dodge and are single target so can take out the bosses while GWF will be a little less efficient and so people probably wouldn't be looking specifically for that role to be filled. But yes, I'd say class popularity will be the main thing here.
I like taking GWF's in my groups 1 or even 2, I'd even try with 3 or 4. Once my GWF gets to level 60 I'd try with 5. Most people don't know what these guys can do like: debuff, offtank, AoE dps, CC, knocking mobs prone which last I checked a TR can't do . For CN I'd rather have a GWF then a TR any day.
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derpaderpistMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
almost never, and i mean close to NEVER, are people ever seeking a GWF for their groups
it's always "lf dc/cw" or "lf tr/cw"
since i started playing about a month ago, this is all i see
what gives? should the devs just delete the class since no one wants it?
and before you say "maybe its a gwf lf for those classes"
no, everytime i've seen this, i /who the person asking and it's a cw/gf/dc
so wtf man? lol why no love for gwfs, it is incredibly annoying to see this fact
When I was actually playing the game I would always take a GWF in my groups IF he knows the content ( and this goes to every class not only for GWFs lol ) , I've done every single dungeon in the game with a standart group - e.g. one of each class .
It's a game , I don't see any point of blocking a person from enjoying the content and playing in a party just because he rolled the " wrong " class .
After years playing as a shaman in WoW ( the ****tiest class always got nerfed always every other class was outscaling the shaman end game , sad story really / pre Cata) I learned that for most guilds it doesn't matter what class you're playing as long as you know how to play the class and stay focused during progression .
It's sad really that we don't have raids here and somewhat good game mechanics , I bet if we did there would be a place for every class in big groups .
PWE / Cryptic <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> up big time this patch - every single class in the game right now is broken , no exceptions .
Just keep playing what you enjoy to play regardless of what people say , you'll find your free slot in some good / decent group eventually .
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bioshrikeMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,729Arc User
edited September 2013
The problem, IMO, is that if people want to skip content, they almost always want a TR. A DC is a given. A CW acts as a force multiplier by locking down mobs. While a GWF can tank if built properly, a GF is more of a sure thing, and most teams don't want to take any chances, so that's what they go with.
IMO, a GWF is best at handling larger numbers of weaker enemies, but if the team is gonna skip all the trash mobs anyway, why bring one?
Don't get me wrong - I have 1 of each class at 60, and have run all of them through epic dungeons. I love playing my GWF, but feel they don't bring as much to a team as a CW or DC. If you're running the dungeon legitimately, then a GWF can really be a godsend, but if the team is just cheating their way to the boss, then they may not be as useful.
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on the bright side - you play the cheapest class for pvp. almost unkillable.
but i bear with, i have problems finding groups with my dc in lfg, too, because ppl always looking for insane gs. additionally as a cw or tr (often there are two of any of them) you can play a little crappy and no one cares, play a little crappy as a dc and all guilt goes to you once ppl wipe (although in my opinion it is mostly the fault of the cw and tr if a party wipes because they need to take care of the adds but often they don't do their job very good and then the dc has to compensate a bad controlling by healing). the requirements for dcs are way higher to join such groups.
i have realized by now, that once 60 you are best in a guild to play dungeons, otherwise finding a party in open chat is nearly impossible for me.
almost never, and i mean close to NEVER, are people ever seeking a GWF for their groups
it's always "lf dc/cw" or "lf tr/cw"
since i started playing about a month ago, this is all i see
what gives? should the devs just delete the class since no one wants it?
and before you say "maybe its a gwf lf for those classes"
no, everytime i've seen this, i /who the person asking and it's a cw/gf/dc
so wtf man? lol why no love for gwfs, it is incredibly annoying to see this fact
Que system: Once you have added yourself to the que, go and do something else don't just wait around for it.
Farming: You can collect gear and sell it for an excellent profit... as it costs you Nothing Right? Selling it for any price makes it a profit.
Do something for someone else: ASSIST lower level players, (I don't mean go kill everything for them) join their groups and help them get through the quest. (Without doing it all for them) give them any good loot you pick up or maybe some gold?
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you sir are a ****,learn 2 play,join a guild....i just gave you the answers you are going to get so dont even bother.
@rotatorkuf most people want to play the DMG/DD/DPS Role, seems more fun to play and you see numbers, but only a few stick to the DC , GF and in this game the CW.(most ppl dont feel rewarded while playing this class)
example:
In most MMOS there is a lack of tank heal support or Control playerbase, as it feels not as rewarding as beating the snark out of your enemies.
I for myself love to support tank and heal, but the majority seem so love watching big numbers pop up on a NPC and the healthbar of their enemie shall drop down.
If it is positive or negative is everyones personal opinion. But if there is a lack of those special classes , the people will only search for them.
i was just stating a fact, and wondering why that fact exists....neither of you answered it (especially rakinz, wtf did you just say? lol)
[in skirmishes and dungeons mostly]
that's totally wrong though, cw/tr are dmg classes, my point was nobody ever is looking for a gwf, which is kind of sad
It's not because people love CWs, it's because people want CWs to do non profitable content. I'd say that any CW doing malabog for anything but fun has something wrong in the head.
well its very simple gwf are 3rd single target dps, 2,3 in aoe,2nd tank,why take secondary when you can have primary simple as that....i have pvp feats on my gwf but also have full avatar set ancients gplaq stone with 12,6gs.8gs cw beat me in dps in karrundax
i was leading till the end but still i was 2nd lol.so some will say l2p...but in pvp i say that lol.
Additionally though, GWF are multi target, they can be useful but TRs are probably the safer bet since they can dodge and are single target so can take out the bosses while GWF will be a little less efficient and so people probably wouldn't be looking specifically for that role to be filled. But yes, I'd say class popularity will be the main thing here.
When I was actually playing the game I would always take a GWF in my groups IF he knows the content ( and this goes to every class not only for GWFs lol ) , I've done every single dungeon in the game with a standart group - e.g. one of each class .
It's a game , I don't see any point of blocking a person from enjoying the content and playing in a party just because he rolled the " wrong " class .
After years playing as a shaman in WoW ( the ****tiest class always got nerfed always every other class was outscaling the shaman end game , sad story really / pre Cata) I learned that for most guilds it doesn't matter what class you're playing as long as you know how to play the class and stay focused during progression .
It's sad really that we don't have raids here and somewhat good game mechanics , I bet if we did there would be a place for every class in big groups .
PWE / Cryptic <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> up big time this patch - every single class in the game right now is broken , no exceptions .
Just keep playing what you enjoy to play regardless of what people say , you'll find your free slot in some good / decent group eventually .
IMO, a GWF is best at handling larger numbers of weaker enemies, but if the team is gonna skip all the trash mobs anyway, why bring one?
Don't get me wrong - I have 1 of each class at 60, and have run all of them through epic dungeons. I love playing my GWF, but feel they don't bring as much to a team as a CW or DC. If you're running the dungeon legitimately, then a GWF can really be a godsend, but if the team is just cheating their way to the boss, then they may not be as useful.
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but i bear with, i have problems finding groups with my dc in lfg, too, because ppl always looking for insane gs. additionally as a cw or tr (often there are two of any of them) you can play a little crappy and no one cares, play a little crappy as a dc and all guilt goes to you once ppl wipe (although in my opinion it is mostly the fault of the cw and tr if a party wipes because they need to take care of the adds but often they don't do their job very good and then the dc has to compensate a bad controlling by healing). the requirements for dcs are way higher to join such groups.
i have realized by now, that once 60 you are best in a guild to play dungeons, otherwise finding a party in open chat is nearly impossible for me.
Que system: Once you have added yourself to the que, go and do something else don't just wait around for it.
Farming: You can collect gear and sell it for an excellent profit... as it costs you Nothing Right? Selling it for any price makes it a profit.
Do something for someone else: ASSIST lower level players, (I don't mean go kill everything for them) join their groups and help them get through the quest. (Without doing it all for them) give them any good loot you pick up or maybe some gold?
After all there is only two things anyone needs to be truely happy and prosperous and thats, LOOT & PUDDING!