Ok I have 3 Problems and need some Help please.

jintortle · July 2013

Problem 1. I have an Object picked up earlier in the quest and I want the player to decide on 1 of 2 choices for its use. (Basically throw away or use). I tried putting the Interactions side by side but all I go was basically that both had to be done for progression. I have fiddled with the true and false part of the objects consumption after use but still the second 1 remains to be done for Progression.

Please how do I fix up so that I can progress.

Problem 2. I want an Npc to be tied up or released and I can do that via the dialogue but - I do not know how to do that so that the choice is obvious - How do I show tied or untied ( I know I can despawn and respawn the NPC but how do I do that because of the choice?

Problem 3. I want the npc to change appearance after an article is picked up - but I can only despawn the npc immediately after objective is completed because the NPC is part of the story. Picking up the Item is the next objective. So if I look back the NPC is basically (on fire) - but when I turn around and pick up the item and look back they have changed (maybe because of the fire maybe not - I am not telling)?

and a Bonus Problem - How do I type in the chat option bar with a DM message? something like " choose one of these 2 options for blah blah" Can I only do this via pretending the GM chat is a character chat?

I know this is a lot but I do think a lot can learn from the answers,

Thanks in advance for any Help!!

P.S. And Yes I do want and expect a Lot

Consider this a Foundry Diploma Test

Cheers (I really appreciate it).

mee2002 · July 2013

Well, I'll take a shot at it. You've got 1 item that you want to get 2 choices out of. You could make what you interact with a contact instead and progress things on dialogue reached (Tie both paths to a generic message if you need to spawn/despawn things from it). I think you can make an item a Dialogue choice for story progression.

On the NPC I'm guessing the one you want tied up is not the one the player will be talking to? If so best bet is to have a regular version, set it to disappear when dialogue prompt reached (whichever lead to them being bound) and make a version where behavior is set to bound. Make it appear on the same dialogue prompt reached.

Third one you will have to spawn a new NPC after despawning the one for the story objective (Perhaps one on fire?) When you want him to change, Have that new NPC disappear and yet another one appear. You can set this to happen on component reached with the object as the component, that way it happens after interacting with the object.

There is no good way to make DM messages appear. Most people use invisible orbs set as contacts. For quick messages you can use the orb, create an item that the player can NOT obtain, and put the message as error text (makes it pop up on the screen in red, but fades rather quickly).

artgod · July 2013

on DM messages, I've been trying to consider if investigate item or reach point is really better... In some cases, I think reach point seems to work best... If you need to spawn message immediately, set it to area and put the reach point right where last objective was or very close to it so player is already there and it just instantly goes to next message that pops up on screen... takes you out of the story as you see the 4th wall with the complete messsage, but we have to work with what we got.

Reason I like reach point is that it put's gold text in the chat box... which makes it a little easier to read than the red failure message that goes away very quickly in middle of screen.

neverwinter1776 · July 2013

jintortle wrote: »

Problem 1. I have an Object picked up earlier in the quest and I want the player to decide on 1 of 2 choices for its use. (Basically throw away or use). I tried putting the Interactions side by side but all I go was basically that both had to be done for progression. I have fiddled with the true and false part of the objects consumption after use but still the second 1 remains to be done for Progression.

This one seems easy to do with the consume item.

Ok the player "got" the item (only one! ) and since the NPCs are deathly afraid of Items, they will NOT consume them (why cryptic why?) so that is not a viable option.
So you have to interactables nearby. BOTH wanting the same "item", and both set to "require" and "consume item". So the player chooses one. The choice is made, the item is consumed and this leaves the other one doomed to fail.
Now you have something happen when "component complete" (the chosen item), which progresses the objective.

NOTE: I often use other things to progress the objectives rather than the expected. i.e.I rarely use the NPC dialog objective, as it automatically LIMITS the choices to manipulate that NPC.

jintortle wrote: »

Problem 2. I want an Npc to be tied up or released and I can do that via the dialogue but - I do not know how to do that so that the choice is obvious - How do I show tied or untied ( I know I can despawn and respawn the NPC but how do I do that because of the choice?

Not real clear on what you're asking here.
Simply-- there IS a tied/bound animation You could combine that with maybe a small FX that encircles the NPC to further push the point that they are bound.

jintortle wrote: »

Problem 3. I want the npc to change appearance after an article is picked up - but I can only despawn the npc immediately after objective is completed because the NPC is part of the story. Picking up the Item is the next objective. So if I look back the NPC is basically (on fire) - but when I turn around and pick up the item and look back they have changed (maybe because of the fire maybe not - I am not telling)?

I repeat: NOTE: I often use other things to progress the objectives rather than the expected. i.e.I rarely use the NPC dialog objective, as it automatically LIMITS the choices to manipulate that NPC.

Hope this helps.

NW1776

sourcreamking · July 2013

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jintortle · July 2013

Thanks will Look at these options and say what worked.

Sorry for taking so long to get back - RL

jintortle · July 2013

Thanks people.

I have alleviated Problem 3 with respawn - thanks mee2002 - helped point me in the right direction.

I have decided that Problem 2 is not worth trying to rectify - I just don't have the ability to understand how to do that from chat. What I wanted was basically 2 animations 1 if choice 1 was made 2 if choice 2 was made - but I have compromised and changed the story a bit.

the bonus problem of DM - I have used an Invisible effect - thanks Artgod

As for Problem 1 - I have no idea how to do it. I have tries switching true and false on/off - I have tried having it as a contact, - I do not know how. So I will break it down if someone wants to help.

I have 2 choices as to what to do with an item.
ATM I have both choices side by side on the Story menu. Is this good or bad? (I thought that by doing this after 1 is complete it would just go tho the next part of the story - but it wants both done - I only want or need 1 done).

I have tried playing with failed text which would work fine (IE: Both objects are being used but one has a fail message) But this is not working and the Fail text just means I can not progress.

I understood what you said neverwinter1776 but I can not for the life of me get it to work - could you explain maybe what switches I should have on Fail... true... etc....

Thanks everyone it has been a great help.

glantorx · July 2013

jintortle wrote: »

Thanks people.

I have alleviated Problem 3 with respawn - thanks mee2002 - helped point me in the right direction.

I have decided that Problem 2 is not worth trying to rectify - I just don't have the ability to understand how to do that from chat. What I wanted was basically 2 animations 1 if choice 1 was made 2 if choice 2 was made - but I have compromised and changed the story a bit.

the bonus problem of DM - I have used an Invisible effect - thanks Artgod

As for Problem 1 - I have no idea how to do it. I have tries switching true and false on/off - I have tried having it as a contact, - I do not know how. So I will break it down if someone wants to help.

I have 2 choices as to what to do with an item.
ATM I have both choices side by side on the Story menu. Is this good or bad? (I thought that by doing this after 1 is complete it would just go tho the next part of the story - but it wants both done - I only want or need 1 done).

I have tried playing with failed text which would work fine (IE: Both objects are being used but one has a fail message) But this is not working and the Fail text just means I can not progress.

I understood what you said neverwinter1776 but I can not for the life of me get it to work - could you explain maybe what switches I should have on Fail... true... etc....

Thanks everyone it has been a great help.

If you make the two items Intractable and not story objects it will work, you could use a reach to explain what to do at the objects using the reach story object.

jintortle · July 2013

Ok thanks Glantorx - Ill try it out!

eldarth · July 2013

jintortle wrote: »

I have 2 choices as to what to do with an item.
ATM I have both choices side by side on the Story menu. Is this good or bad? (I thought that by doing this after 1 is complete it would just go tho the next part of the story - but it wants both done - I only want or need 1 done).

Bad. Unfortunately we have no "supported" OR logic options. ALL story items must be completed, having them side by side just allows the player to complete those in any order desired, but ALL must be completed to advance story.

That being said, what I use for a simple OR test:

Below terrain I put a platform (y=-100 for instance) and surround it with invisible walls (20' tube works nicely).
On the platform I spawn (immediately) a Drow assassin (single easy mob).
I then have 2 hard Guard (friendly) encounters-
First one set to spawn when option 1 is reached/triggered/dialog reached/etc.
The second one set to spawn when option 2 is ...etc.

When one OR the other Guard encounter spawns it will kill the easy Drow assassin encounter
and I can then use Component Complete on the Drow encounter to detect that 1 or 2 happened.

glantorx · July 2013

Ok tested it and it works. Need to make the Objects interactable and consume item then you can use component complete to trigger events.

jintortle · July 2013

glantorx wrote: »

If you make the two items Intractable and not story objects it will work, you could use a reach to explain what to do at the objects using the reach story object.

Thanks it worked like a charm - they appear in the right context with the appear when dialogue prompt reached and all I do is swap on version out for the new - cheers Glantorx - you have made my day - the only problem is that the next objective does appear but it is ok its very basic anyway.

Thanks everyone you have all been a great help - each of you contriubuted something and I hope maybe helped some others as well cheers!

You can now all see my new version of "The wonderful wizard of Og" its got heaps of new content for those who have seen it before (thanks mee2002) and I hop great stuff for you new players.

jintortle · July 2013

Sorry I did not see yours eldarth or your new one Galntorx. But anyway had it done with a new version of the object spawn on dialogue prompt - with intractable. So it just means the other item just remained in old version and would only spawn new version if the dialogue prompt reached was for it.

But like I said it now being out of the story mode they do not have to do them - but in this case it is ok - because one of the options is really douse a flame instead of using it to burn something down - so if they don't do - its basically the same as selecting douse flame except they do not get the juicy story.

But cheers eldarth - your way seems so complex lol

- I know they use something like that for timed events!

eldarth · July 2013

jintortle wrote: »

But cheers eldarth - your way seems so complex lol - I know they use something like that for timed events!

Yeah, if you can do it easily with interactables and dialog, that's best.
If not, then you can use encounters for more powerful OR logic.

Imagine PC goes through muddy swamp (Component Reached)
OR they received a Ring of the Swamp (Interactable or Dialog Reached).
Then you can spawn "friendly" swamp NPC or "hostile" swamp monster.
Gives you the flexibility to use different completion types.
Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. :cool:

Ok I have 3 Problems and need some Help please.

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