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GWF Constitution resistances ignored offensive or defensive stat?

baconknightryderbaconknightryder Member Posts: 33
edited July 2013 in The Militia Barracks
Sorry for the basic question but I've tried searching for the answer and couldn't get any recent definitive answer (all posts I've seen go all the way back to early betas).

Is the "resistances ignored" bonus that GWF get from Constitution an offensive or defensive stat? Does it add to the resistances ignored you have towards other enemies (similar to armor penetration) or is it adding to your own stat so you take less damage from other characters/mobs?

The thing that confuses me is that the stat in the tooltip has a negative symbol attached to the number so that to me implies it's a defensive stat, meaning it's subtracting that number from the enemy's resistance ignored stat. But I've also read some posts saying it's an offensive stat too.

If it is an offensive stat, then does that mean Constitution Focus would be a worthwhile DPS investment?
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  • mutantdemocracymutantdemocracy Member Posts: 497 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Constitution stacks directly with Armor Pen and is treated as such. With 12% armor pen and 12% resistances ignored, you have 24% armor pen.
  • baconknightryderbaconknightryder Member Posts: 33
    edited July 2013
    So is Constitution Focus a worthwhile feat to pick up for damage? Or would those 3 points be better spent in Steely Defense?
  • m1nuendm1nuend Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    What build are ya aiming at? I'm a destroyer and steely defense way better. If I had to choose, I'd go steely defense regardless of build, actually.

    I was just about to ask a related question. I figured "resistance ignored" would show up in arm pen or something, but it doesn't, so I started to worry if it somehow didn't work as I thought.

    But I guss I just add that RI% to my gear arm pen %, then.
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  • baconknightryderbaconknightryder Member Posts: 33
    edited July 2013
    Well after reading some posts about how Armor Penetration > Power, that's what sparked my question about Constitution since Resistances Ignored is like Armor Penetration (if indeed it is being calculated offensively).

    Depending on how much Resistance Ignored Constitution Focus adds, it might surpass the power bonus you get from Steely Defense, but I don't know the numbers myself so was wondering if anyone here math-hammered it out.
  • m1nuendm1nuend Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Ah, I misinterpreted the feat. It's probably better than the power one. Argh, respec here I come.

    My RI is 10%, so I guess that feat would give an additional 1,5% RI.
    Defense roughly 2000 which means 400 additional power which means 16 damage.
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  • tarmalentarmalen Member Posts: 1,020 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    I am thinking someone somewhere got their wires crossed.

    I believe the intended design was for it to subtract the amount of armor pen mobs use on hitting you.

    Instead we are told that constitution is adding armor penetration to you.


    I for one am not complaining but I think eventually some developer will go..."whoops".
  • kolatmasterkolatmaster Member Posts: 3,111 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    mutantdemocracy wrote: »
    Constitution stacks directly with Armor Pen and is treated as such. With 12% armor pen and 12% resistances ignored, you have 24% armor pen.
    Correct.

    Normal mobs have 22% Resistance
    Mini-Boss mobs have 23% Resistance
    Boss mobs have 24% Resistance

    The above is for Epic level 60 dungeons/instances.

    Subtract whatever your Von (or as a GF, your Dex) resistance form the above number, then add ArmPen stat to your character until they reach the cap of 24%. Then you are all set. :)
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  • m1nuendm1nuend Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Yeah, that's right. So with epic gear, I might reach the 24% anyway, so I might as well take the steely defense.
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  • baconknightryderbaconknightryder Member Posts: 33
    edited July 2013
    So assuming I'm not near the cap and probably won't be for a while (not near BiS yet), is the consensus the damage from more Resistance Ignored you get from Con Focus would be greater than the damage from extra power you get from Steely Defense?

    Oh and not Sentinel spec so no 20% more defense. I'm starting to think Con Focus might be better, especially at lower level gear like myself when I don't have that much defense (5 points in Steely Defense would give me 293 power) whereas Con Focus would give the flat bonus Resistance Ignored, no matter what my gear is?
  • baconknightryderbaconknightryder Member Posts: 33
    edited July 2013
    Okay just for other people who might not have been sure like me, direct confirmation that Constitution's resistance ignored is an offensive stat can be found here in their June patch notes (this was before I played seriously so never saw this):

    Link

    The way they word it is: Constitution now properly increases Armor Penetration.

    Pretty clear there. I'm pretty sure since I'm not close to reaching 24% on AP, 3 points in Constitution Focus should do me more benefit than 3 points in Steely Defense.
  • m1nuendm1nuend Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I respeced, and the +1.5% from feats shows up if you hover over arm pen in char stat. Meaning it went from 11.4 to 12.9. The RI from constitution does not show up there. Peculiar, but it is what it is, I guess.

    And yes, definitely better with const feat. I was totally wrong before S:
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  • baconknightryderbaconknightryder Member Posts: 33
    edited July 2013
    Hey man, I'm just glad we were able to get it all sorted out now. The game's tooltips can be so vague sometimes, which it was more explicit so my tiny brain wouldn't be so confused. :-)
  • evo404evo404 Member Posts: 49
    edited July 2013
    m1nuend wrote: »
    I respeced, and the +1.5% from feats shows up if you hover over arm pen in char stat. Meaning it went from 11.4 to 12.9. The RI from constitution does not show up there. Peculiar, but it is what it is, I guess.

    And yes, definitely better with const feat. I was totally wrong before S:

    So what you're saying is the 1.5% from Con Focus feat shows up but the default ArmPen (RI) from Con doesn't? When you say you have 10% RI does that mean you have 19 CON (which according to freehugs post is 10.35 to be exact)? I have 18 so I guess I wouldn't quite get as much % bonus as you but it still sounds like a nice alternative to Steely Defense...
  • belladanbelladan Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 146 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    Dude... like 30% of all gwf posts in the last month and a half is Armor Penetration?

    I don't expect it to drop anytime soon, since we love the linear min/max BS too much.
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