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PVP: Robot Apocalypse

garvaldgarvald Member Posts: 4 Arc User
edited July 2013 in PvE Discussion
I didn't notice many from 10-49, but in the 50-59 bracket winning seems to be a matter of having fewer bots than the other team. The problem is worse now that we can't boot them- teams getting stuck with 2-3 bots is common.

I could PVP solely with my guild team, but where's the fun in farming bots and the unlucky people that got stuck with them? There's no satisfaction in it. It's not a win. It's not a fight.

Help us out here.
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  • kidkiller81kidkiller81 Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Yes I have observed a few bots in PVP and they are really spoiling the game as they queue in every PVP game. 2 bots i can confirm on Dragon shard is yywee and november. Both have very randomized handler name. The bots will go to point 2 and stays they until it dies and keep repeating that until the game ends. I don't know how the developers can stop this in PVP.
  • wholyhandgrenadewholyhandgrenade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    garvald wrote: »
    I didn't notice many from 10-49, but in the 50-59 bracket winning seems to be a matter of having fewer bots than the other team. The problem is worse now that we can't boot them- teams getting stuck with 2-3 bots is common.

    I could PVP solely with my guild team, but where's the fun in farming bots and the unlucky people that got stuck with them? There's no satisfaction in it. It's not a win. It's not a fight.

    Help us out here.

    The bots keep leveling up. Last week there were reports of a ton of bots in the low PvP ranks. I see they finally made it into the 50's. Oh joy, what level 60's have to look forward to.
  • wholyhandgrenadewholyhandgrenade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Yes I have observed a few bots in PVP and they are really spoiling the game as they queue in every PVP game. 2 bots i can confirm on Dragon shard is yywee and november. Both have very randomized handler name. The bots will go to point 2 and stays they until it dies and keep repeating that until the game ends. I don't know how the developers can stop this in PVP.

    If they aren't getting kills and have lots of deaths the game could prompt them as to whether they are a bot or not. The game can also record how many times/matches they did not reply, and after X amount of non-response matches the bot's entire account can be frozen permanently.
  • hamjihamji Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    If they aren't getting kills and have lots of deaths the game could prompt them as to whether they are a bot or not. The game can also record how many times/matches they did not reply, and after X amount of non-response matches the bot's entire account can be frozen permanently.

    Prompts don't help. Professional botting always has one human player behind the scenes monitoring over a dozen bots at a time and ready to take control of a character should it receive tells or grief from other players or gm's.
  • wholyhandgrenadewholyhandgrenade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    hamji wrote: »
    Prompts don't help. Professional botting always has one human player behind the scenes monitoring over a dozen bots at a time and ready to take control of a character should it receive tells or grief from other players or gm's.

    then the only thing I know that would work is a PvP ratings system, bots will rank quite low and won't make it into the matches with everyone else
  • sominatorsominator Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Hey all, we take all reports of botting/cheating extremely seriously and are working to resolve any related issues. Thanks!
    Proud member of Team Fencebane, official guild of the unofficial Neverwinter Adventure Hour!
  • giggliatogiggliato Member Posts: 446 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    hamji wrote: »
    Prompts don't help. Professional botting always has one human player behind the scenes monitoring over a dozen bots at a time and ready to take control of a character should it receive tells or grief from other players or gm's.

    Then they aren't really bots, just a terrible player. What we are discussing is the future of pvp mmo combat... If we cannot tell that our opponent is a bot, is it still pvp?
  • kiadannahkiadannah Member Posts: 97
    edited July 2013
    sominator wrote: »
    Hey all, we take all reports of botting/cheating extremely seriously and are working to resolve any related issues. Thanks!

    no your not. All you have done is lie about taking care of them in emails to me after sending a post to gms' about them, and then I see them after I get the email.
    most suggestions I have seen are bad to useless.
    I will say again (after repeatedly saying this before)
    first. to take part in pvp (and dungeons, and pve past level 20) you have to be in a guild. Guilds are responsible for their members.
    If a person is noticed to have a bot going, that persons' guild leaders should have a means to be contacted in game, or by mail. The guild leaders should beable to look at matches, see for themselves, observe, and speak to the people involved. They are confirmed to be botting, and not just stupidly terrible, they are removed from guild, and gms' then sent notification of botting, with proof from the guild leaders.
    (and or other people involved btw)
    the removal from guild stops the bot from being able to participate, period, during the time the gm's can get involved.

    With this no bot should ever make it to level 20, or in pve case, level 30.
    All accounts with proven bots will be banned.

    In the cases of bot guilds such as zion rebels etc, gm's will have to handle those themselves, because they are going to continue until gms' actually get off of their butts.
    But this reduces the workload of gms' tremendously by not getting most bot reports until they also have proof, from the guild leads they were part of.

    Falsly accusing someone of being a bot, carries a penalty of losing guild leadership, and position in that guild, and any guild for a week (rl week). doing so again loss of account.

    people that play these games, are often very serious about their chars and development, and fairness. this gives power to the players, less workload on gm's, and gets rid of all pvp bots, and many pve if not all.
  • andromedabreannaandromedabreanna Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    kiadannah wrote: »
    no your not. All you have done is lie about taking care of them in emails to me after sending a post to gms' about them, and then I see them after I get the email.
    most suggestions I have seen are bad to useless.
    I will say again (after repeatedly saying this before)
    first. to take part in pvp (and dungeons, and pve past level 20) you have to be in a guild. Guilds are responsible for their members.
    If a person is noticed to have a bot going, that persons' guild leaders should have a means to be contacted in game, or by mail. The guild leaders should beable to look at matches, see for themselves, observe, and speak to the people involved. They are confirmed to be botting, and not just stupidly terrible, they are removed from guild, and gms' then sent notification of botting, with proof from the guild leaders.
    (and or other people involved btw)
    the removal from guild stops the bot from being able to participate, period, during the time the gm's can get involved.

    With this no bot should ever make it to level 20, or in pve case, level 30.
    All accounts with proven bots will be banned.

    In the cases of bot guilds such as zion rebels etc, gm's will have to handle those themselves, because they are going to continue until gms' actually get off of their butts.
    But this reduces the workload of gms' tremendously by not getting most bot reports until they also have proof, from the guild leads they were part of.

    Falsly accusing someone of being a bot, carries a penalty of losing guild leadership, and position in that guild, and any guild for a week (rl week). doing so again loss of account.

    people that play these games, are often very serious about their chars and development, and fairness. this gives power to the players, less workload on gm's, and gets rid of all pvp bots, and many pve if not all.

    You are kidding... right?

    How many people would want to take responsibility IN A GAME for another person's actions? For most, they come to Neverwinter (or any other game) to escape the drudgery of real life. The most we could ask for is a vote/ban system to reduce the amount of botters that play pvp.
  • kiadannahkiadannah Member Posts: 97
    edited July 2013
    a vote / ban system wouldn't work. If you have a person that is completely clueless (in example, runs tot eh back node at the beginning, while someone is already there, or cant figure out how important the nodes are etc) all of a sudden these people would be voted out for sheer stupidity (granted I would rather like it if people that didn't have a clue what they were doing were gotten rid of, but unfortunately stupidity doesn't violate the rules). The thing of it is, is a voting system is easily abused. Not only by the players, but bot parties would instantly call that moot

    And no I am not kidding. I play in this game. Do I want all these bots in it messing with ah prices, pvp, pve, dungeons, and gauntlgrym? nope. Would I take 5 min out of my playtime making this a game worth playing? dang right.
    in fact a great many who are guild leaders, (guild head and other leaders of a single guild) are there because they are people helpful to the guild, its members, and know a bit about the game. They are people that like helping out, and being a person that matters, to a lot of people.
    I am a leader in a guild, and I would say yes. yes I would do this. Yes, I would take responsibility for my guild, as a guild leader. If we recruit a bot, believe me, it will not last long in the guild at all.
    I have no problems policing my own guild, or a guild I have any leadership position in.
  • yeruneyerune Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I do think Cryptic is taking it seriously, after all, it is costing them money. Cheap influx of goods lower AH prices, leading to less demand for AD, meaning less need for Zen, which means less cash for Cryptic.

    It's just very frustrating to see the same names running around after weeks and several reports. That just gives the signal that they don't care and won't do much about it. Popping on the forum telling us what a good job we're doing isn't really all that helpful in that sense.

    We need results, not kuddo's.

    (And with 'need' I mean, I'd very much like to see the effect of their policy and think it will quiet the masses on the boards a bit)

    What worries me is that some of the mods stated there wasn't much of a bot problem post-60. If that's the official Cryptic view, than it's happy times for the bots, because they really are everywhere, at every rank, in every match, at every level. If they don't even acknowledge that..... how serious are they really taking it?

    ps: I somewhat like the idea of having to be in a guild before participating in PvP, same as GG. But it won't solve anything. 1 person and 5 bots can start a guild just as easily, if not more easy, than 5 individuals. And we know there are guilds out there that thrive on cheats and exploits.
  • kiadannahkiadannah Member Posts: 97
    edited July 2013
    ps: I somewhat like the idea of having to be in a guild before participating in PvP, same as GG. But it won't solve anything. 1 person and 5 bots can start a guild just as easily, if not more easy, than 5 individuals. And we know there are guilds out there that thrive on cheats and exploits.

    writing this before I go to bed, will look tomorrow after I wake up before I leave.
    bot guilds, since guild leaders are bots, can only be handled by the gms. However for the others, the leaders can kick the bots out after confirmation of botting, and submit their proof. the people kicked from guild cant take part in pve or pvp during the meantime.

    Bot guilds tend to only have bots and nothing else. gms' having to focus only on those, can see this easily, and erase the entire guild, and freeze all accounts attached, with much less effort than random reports of this person may or may not be a bot in this match, we aren't sure. or we are sure, here is no proof, etc.
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