I read UnspecifiedError's "Guide to Everything Cleric" as well as the 7k+ Recovery report, so I'm not throwing in any new ideas. This is the post-patch world where AS works a lot differently, though, so I'm trying to salvage useful information from the new DC and its abilities. That aside, I wrote this thread 5 or 6 times, but it kept turning into a novel with a scroll bar. I think I did pretty well this time.
So, here is my thought:
I really want to try this int/cha build, at least as my first experiment. Even when str and crits technically benefit the DC more for healing outputs, things don't work right when cooldowns interfere with healing. So I'm just going to tackle this build and then run around with it for a while and see what vibes and questions I come across.
Is there anything I should keep an eye open for? Anything I should strictly go after or avoid? What are you doing for your DC post-patches and why? Is it different from your pre-patch character? Comments and feedback are much appreciated to help the community in archive-form.
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ilovedotaMember, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 5Arc User
edited June 2013
They have done some ninja fixiing to AS CD. There was a threat by Sicktired where he pointed that he had 5000k recovery and CD of AS was 12 sec in the day of patch, next day cd was ~15 sec with this recovery. We tested it with different recovery and yes after 33,5% recovery speed increase (or even earlier), recovery dosent really matter actually, you will have almost the same ~15 cd on AS, so there is no point to up recovery right now.
They have done some ninja fixiing to AS CD. There was a threat by Sicktired where he pointed that he had 5000k recovery and CD of AS was 12 sec in the day of patch, next day cd was ~15 sec with this recovery. We tested it with different recovery and yes after 33,5% recovery speed increase (or even earlier), recovery dosent really matter actually, you will have almost the same ~15 cd on AS, so there is no point to up recovery right now.
For the purpose of Recharge Speed this is correct, but not for AP gain. That is, INT builds are pointless but not CHA builds.
They have done some ninja fixiing to AS CD. There was a threat by Sicktired where he pointed that he had 5000k recovery and CD of AS was 12 sec in the day of patch, next day cd was ~15 sec with this recovery. We tested it with different recovery and yes after 33,5% recovery speed increase (or even earlier), recovery dosent really matter actually, you will have almost the same ~15 cd on AS, so there is no point to up recovery right now.
Do you mean 5,000 recovery or 5k? I don't know how you would get 5,000,000 recovery, haha. If that's possible then very impressive.
For the purpose of Recharge Speed this is correct, but not for AP gain. That is, INT builds are pointless but not CHA builds.
I'm not going after the int/cha build so that I can stack recovery, because pushing into the soft caps is a waste of stats. Like I said, I already read about soft caps and how extra recovery is useless. However, from what I hear, recovery runs into its soft caps regardless of a character's other stats, and it always follows the same proportional curve on a graph no matter the starting point. Since I haven't heard explicit confirmation as to whether or not recovery's soft cap is dependent on the already existing RSI, I want to test this.
If recovery's soft cap is dependent of the already-existing RSI from stats, then I'll scratch this build and go after something with wis, since I already have a str/cha cleric that I am content with. It'll give me something to compare different stats with though.
If recovery's soft cap is independent of the RSI from stats such as int/cha, then that means that I can stack my equips to the soft caps of rec and crit. Then I can go for power and or defense (I don't know if that last one has a soft cap).
If recovery's soft cap is independent of the RSI from stats such as int/cha, then that means that I can stack my equips to the soft caps of rec and crit. Then I can go for power and or defense (I don't know if that last one has a soft cap).
It is.
But Recharge Speed Increase has its own diminishing returns. Thus, you are being punished twice for stacking.
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For the purpose of Recharge Speed this is correct, but not for AP gain. That is, INT builds are pointless but not CHA builds.
Do you mean 5,000 recovery or 5k? I don't know how you would get 5,000,000 recovery, haha. If that's possible then very impressive.
I'm not going after the int/cha build so that I can stack recovery, because pushing into the soft caps is a waste of stats. Like I said, I already read about soft caps and how extra recovery is useless. However, from what I hear, recovery runs into its soft caps regardless of a character's other stats, and it always follows the same proportional curve on a graph no matter the starting point. Since I haven't heard explicit confirmation as to whether or not recovery's soft cap is dependent on the already existing RSI, I want to test this.
If recovery's soft cap is dependent of the already-existing RSI from stats, then I'll scratch this build and go after something with wis, since I already have a str/cha cleric that I am content with. It'll give me something to compare different stats with though.
If recovery's soft cap is independent of the RSI from stats such as int/cha, then that means that I can stack my equips to the soft caps of rec and crit. Then I can go for power and or defense (I don't know if that last one has a soft cap).
It is.
But Recharge Speed Increase has its own diminishing returns. Thus, you are being punished twice for stacking.
So, you can do what you suggest and hit the Recovery soft cap on such an INT/CHA built character but going beyond that will probably be the most pointless build you could make in the game. This is what Unspecified proved when he made a maximal INT/CHA build with almost 8k recovery (http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?287742-7-951-Recovery-23-Cha-20-Int-and-56-1-Recharge-%28A-bunch-of-numbers-not-a-build%29). Note that research was done pre-AS nerfs too.
Other than that I do not have any other specific feedback that would help such a "haste"/Extreme Recharge build.