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fildot
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You are not mages in wow, you are not just wizards, why, the very first word in the descriptor for your class is CONTROL this should have given you an idea of what role you signed up for during character creation.
You have the ability to slow mobs and freeze them in their tracks
You have the ability to send them flying off a billion feet in the air (even better off cliffs)
You have the ability to swirl them up in the air for what seems like infinity
You have the ability to gather them all up into a lovely mass of melee aoe goodness
You have the ability to lift them up and send them flying (again off cliffs)
In short you make a complete mess of the battlefield and we love it!
So WHY oh WHY?! in the name of Kelemvor do you just stand there and tunnel vision the big bad boss while you're cleric is skidding around his tiny blue circle with a train of 50 pissed off mobs beating him to a pulp while he chugs pots like they are going out of style? Just so you know clerics have this amazing passive called "Righteousness" which basically puts a 40% heal debuff on any healing effect cast by us....that's right in order to keep YOU alive we are getting almost HALF of the heals that the rest of the party is receiving. Oh yeah and we have NO self heals, none, zilch, nada, zero, they are all passive effects of heals bouncing off of others. so NO we can't just heal ourselves and move on.
Another point on that blue circle bit....I know melee range seems foreign to you and scary and that you're always told to stay out of the bad circles on the ground, there is one exception to that rule and that is Astral Shield it's big and blue and usually encircling the cluster of melee and your cleric. So is there a reason that you insist on being 80 billion feet away from the rest of the party when there is that lovely shiny blue circle on the ground to keep you (and everyone else) topped up? Come on in join the party! You take care of me and I'll take care of you....you see how that works? To summarize... Red circles = bad Blue circles = good
A good control wizard can be the difference between a group finishing a dungeon or not. A bad one is a guaranteed failure of said dungeon.
TL: DR L2P or reroll please
You have the ability to slow mobs and freeze them in their tracks
You have the ability to send them flying off a billion feet in the air (even better off cliffs)
You have the ability to swirl them up in the air for what seems like infinity
You have the ability to gather them all up into a lovely mass of melee aoe goodness
You have the ability to lift them up and send them flying (again off cliffs)
In short you make a complete mess of the battlefield and we love it!
So WHY oh WHY?! in the name of Kelemvor do you just stand there and tunnel vision the big bad boss while you're cleric is skidding around his tiny blue circle with a train of 50 pissed off mobs beating him to a pulp while he chugs pots like they are going out of style? Just so you know clerics have this amazing passive called "Righteousness" which basically puts a 40% heal debuff on any healing effect cast by us....that's right in order to keep YOU alive we are getting almost HALF of the heals that the rest of the party is receiving. Oh yeah and we have NO self heals, none, zilch, nada, zero, they are all passive effects of heals bouncing off of others. so NO we can't just heal ourselves and move on.
Another point on that blue circle bit....I know melee range seems foreign to you and scary and that you're always told to stay out of the bad circles on the ground, there is one exception to that rule and that is Astral Shield it's big and blue and usually encircling the cluster of melee and your cleric. So is there a reason that you insist on being 80 billion feet away from the rest of the party when there is that lovely shiny blue circle on the ground to keep you (and everyone else) topped up? Come on in join the party! You take care of me and I'll take care of you....you see how that works? To summarize... Red circles = bad Blue circles = good
A good control wizard can be the difference between a group finishing a dungeon or not. A bad one is a guaranteed failure of said dungeon.
TL: DR L2P or reroll please
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I run T2s daily, and even when we have a less than capable CW in the group, he/she is always on adds, unless specifically asked to do something else. Even if someone is inexperienced with the class, I don't know what is the big deal with politely asking the CW to be on adds, instead of ranting here as if it is an epidemic lol
well you have a very different experience than I have had in many runs I'm not saying this happens every run but it does happen enough to warrant a post like this....
I could turn the argument around and rail in the DC forums...."Why oh why can't a DC place his AS blue circle in the proper spot!!".
So, I am now playing a CW myself and I do actually protect every cleric I see from adds
If i'm forced to run around because the whole dungeon is after me due to your incompetence I will place AS wherever I am whenever it's off CD, even if it's a gazillon feet away from you. As long as this behaviour ensures my survival I won't care about yours mainly because you seem to not give a flying **** about mine.
Note: this is not directed to you (i don't know how well/badly you play and i don't care honestly), it's an answer to your comment and everyone else that thinks it's correct and clerics place their AS wherever they want because they want to. If we place AS in the "wrong" spot is because we are forced to do that because of the circumstances. Which most commonly are:
- We often try to be nice and cover the whole party but the CW seems to love it's excessive long range or the rogue enjoys his backstabs (which i can understand) so we push it to the extreme to try and cover them too -> sometimes we will place it a bit too far from the boss or way too in the middle and the party will complain.
- We run in circles (because nobody cares about adds) and while doing so... "pop" AS comes off CD, we need it because our pots are on CD so we pop divinity -> SBurst (to get stuff away from us)-> AS. If you happen to be DPSing the boss while that happens then your AS must have run out like one or two seconds ago so its effect is about to fade... good luck I guess. You either come and help me with adds or I die while you die too.
I have begun to adopt a zero tolerance policy because this game becomes utterly frustrating as cleric if someone in the party suddently decides to mindlessly dps the boss ignoring everything else.
I enjoy it a lot more while playing my CW tbh (controlling is fun and not as risky as healing) and that's what i'm doing most of the time now, enjoying the game.
I want this class in NW.
This lead to me as a cleric no longer healing any CW that ran off on their own even once in the Delve.
As a rouge I started to notice that CW's were quite often attempting to run into the Melee. Yes that is right running into the melee to use repel just to get more damage in on the mobs by sending them away from the very melee units attempting to kill them and stop the Elite Mobs smashing through to the casters. Now this is one way to make melee members of your team just "accidentally" let a mob slip through to you. Since if you as a CW feel you need to focus on DPS instead of Controlling some of us well let it through.
Though sadly I noticed this majorly with other rouges to who decide to join in with the CW to fight one mob and both of them compete to kill it, leaving only 2 members max holding of the others, generally just one since I more often than not as a TR found myself the only one protecting the poor cleric whom I used to be.
So really CW's Sure you want to try and be at range and all thats fine, us clerics should certainly keep up with healing you if we can. Just know you well be a second objective to us while the rest is the first.
Also please please CW's stop fighting TR's for DPS you just end up messing up dungeons that way.
Thanks for not reading or understanding my post at all......
I PLAY a DC.....so I know, I know....
I also play a CW and stay with the DC...and a smart CW will....did you read where I am spamming CC spells?
Also, on some boss fights I'm having trouble targetting the specific mobs I want. Particularly when the boss has a huge hitbox. I've found myself forced to move waaaay out on some flank to even target that fricking mob. Haven't found a solution to that 1 yet.
but ill just ask.. if u see someone not getting his job done at Dungeons, just say "dont do it like that, do it like this... dont use that skill use this one.." it worked for me, im doin good now, and i still have a lot to learn, but the only way is people to explain how to do it and doing many dungeons.. so dont be all rude if someone is not doing the right way, try to explain the right way and u'll see things get better.
I'm so stunned. At first I rofled a bit, then I facepalmed. Then I felt kinda sorry for ya.
Lemme quote myself:
I hope you've read it now. I'ts quite big.
I want this class in NW.
People who play the game, stop kicking GWFs.
This is their job! Sure, help out with Singularity. But the majority of adds, should be handled by a GWF.
Oh, and I know its fun to KD ****. A guilty pleasure I know ;p. But that needs to stop. Nobody else like it. And understandably so.
I save repel attacks to get monsters off the cleric
Good to know I am on the right track!
Get a decent CW period...