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Dear Perfect World/Cryptic (about wipe threads)

doowie1982doowie1982 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 284 Bounty Hunter
edited May 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
Hi,

(Yes another wipe thread ... omg)

It appears that a lot of people are throwing out the threads of "there needs to be a wipe", "will there be a wipe" "why a wipe" etc.

Now before early access it was common knowledge and I even remember official comments saying, that once the beta events ended, there would be no more wipes. However; due to the amount of bugs and exploits that have gone around many have gained vasts amount of AD and got pretty much all characters to 60 within a heartbeat.

Now I can understand some concerns for a wipe, but you really need to have your legal and PR team look over this as well. This is mainly due to a promise being broken and one of the reasons for buying the founder packs now being pretty much stripped from those people. This would result within the United States a possible class action lawsuit and not to mentioned a lot of refund requests, which would be denied by Perfect World, but then it would result in a lot of people doing charge backs and I will even walk people through the process of doing those charge backs to get their money back, but people who want to do that, be aware your account can and will be banned.

Anyway, seeing as the customer support/moderators/development staff are staying away from this topic with a 10 foot pole, means they are probably thinking about it.

But I would really recommend that if you do decide to wipe, that you better offer those founders and zen buyers the chance to get a refund because it will just make things for Perfect World/Cryptic a whole lot worse than a few hundred people exploiting to get some ingame currency and a few more level 60.

Thanks,
Doowie

Flame away fanbois :)
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  • glanniganglannigan Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 463 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    doowie1982 wrote: »
    It appears that a lot of people are throwing out the threads of "there needs to be a wipe", "will there be a wipe" "why a wipe" etc.

    Shouldn't you have posted this in one of those threads?
  • doowie1982doowie1982 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 284 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    glannigan wrote: »
    Shouldn't you have posted this in one of those threads?

    Nah I figured I need to be special and have my own dedicated thread.
    60 Dwarf Devoted Cleric
    60 Drow Trickster Rogue
    11 Elf Control Wizard

    Server:     Beholder
    Guild:     Praetor Lupus
    Guild Website: http://www.PraetorLupus.com

    Hero of the North & Guardian of Neverwinter Founder.
  • mutharexmutharex Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Why "Flame away fanbois"?
  • wingofbenuwingofbenu Member Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    mutharex wrote: »
    Why "Flame away fanbois"?

    because white knights always make these topics to get attention and proclaim their moral superiority to their "enemies".
  • pojzonpojzon Member Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Even if this accounts got banned then why should people care if they can just make new account and invest again same money(refunded ones)?
  • mutharexmutharex Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    wingofbenu wrote: »
    because white knights always make these topics to get attention and proclaim their moral superiority to their "enemies".

    Now I am even more confused.
  • deacon777deacon777 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    /signed

    I dont care if they do a rollback or wipe to be honest.

    At least give me the option of having the 260 dollars from my founders packs and my zen purchases credited back to my paypal. Just giving me back my zen tied to my PW account wont cut it. Theres evidence that they have done this before (refunding players). If they do a rollback, at least be gracious enough to allow disgruntled players to simply get their money back and opt out of your game.
  • elessymelessym Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Because of the very issues you point out (regarding refunds,) there is basically zero chance that there will be a wipe.
    "Participation in PVP-related activities is so low on an hourly, daily, weekly, and monthly basis that we could in fact just completely take it out of STO and it would not impact the overall number of people [who] log in to the game and play in any significant way." -Gozer, Cryptic PvP Dev
  • mconosrepmconosrep Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Cryptic are never going to wipe, because it will make them look utterly incompetent, and hardly anyone will bother buying Foudner's Packs or ZEN for the 'Open Beta' of any other games they make for a long time.

    Wiping would cause enormous short-term issues for them, namely ridicule form many quarters for incompetence not to mention monetary/legal issues.

    Whereas If they just do nothing, they will take a massive hit in terms of many people begin very wary of spending any more money in the game, but short-term it would not be as bad for them.
  • elessymelessym Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    mconosrep wrote: »
    Cryptic are never going to wipe, because it will make them look utterly incompetent, and hardly anyone will bother buying Foudner's Packs or ZEN for the 'Open Beta' of any other games they make for a long time.

    Wiping would cause enormous short-term issues for them, namely ridicule form many quarters for incompetence not to mention monetary/legal issues.

    Whereas If they just do nothing, they will take a massive hit in terms of many people begin very wary of spending any more money in the game, but short-term it would not be as bad for them.

    You're ignoring the third option (which is what it sounds like they're pursuing): selective deletion/banning of the exploiters and their mules.
    "Participation in PVP-related activities is so low on an hourly, daily, weekly, and monthly basis that we could in fact just completely take it out of STO and it would not impact the overall number of people [who] log in to the game and play in any significant way." -Gozer, Cryptic PvP Dev
  • clansman2013clansman2013 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Totally agree with the OP, performing a wipe now would be a PR and financial disaster for them.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • chai23chai23 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    The only thing that needs to be wiped is the accounts of the exploiters. When they come plowing onto the forums demanding a refund, quote them the user conduct area of the TOS.
  • mistriosumistriosu Member Posts: 279 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    Why not just look at the character logs and see how much Zen people bought, then after the wipe crediting that zen to them?
    And it's easy to see who bought Founders in the character logs too
  • elessymelessym Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    mistriosu wrote: »
    Why not just look at the character logs and see how much Zen people bought, then after the wipe crediting that zen to them?
    And it's easy to see who bought Founders in the character logs too

    it's not that a wipe is technically difficult - it's not, they did one after Closed Beta. The problem is that by going back on the "no wipes" policy, they're putting themselves in a position where they have to offer refunds or be guilty of fraud.
    "Participation in PVP-related activities is so low on an hourly, daily, weekly, and monthly basis that we could in fact just completely take it out of STO and it would not impact the overall number of people [who] log in to the game and play in any significant way." -Gozer, Cryptic PvP Dev
  • clansman2013clansman2013 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    mistriosu wrote: »
    Why not just look at the character logs and see how much Zen people bought, then after the wipe crediting that zen to them?
    And it's easy to see who bought Founders in the character logs too

    Founder's paid for a lot of things including early access. To then wipe, you would be removing a feature they paid for, which would result in the majority demanding refunds, which they would be well within their right to do.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • mconosrepmconosrep Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    elessym wrote: »
    You're ignoring the third option (which is what it sounds like they're pursuing): selective deletion/banning of the exploiters and their mules.

    Given people who were posting for exploits in general chat and were even caught on posted screenshots exploiting are are still around I really doubt it.
  • ambisinisterrambisinisterr Member, Neverwinter Moderator Posts: 10,462 Community Moderator
    edited May 2013
    Don't make promises you can't keep. They are not looking into a wipe as far as I know but the only thing I have to contribute to threads like this is padlock and edits.

    I know they are not simply going to roll over, that they are actively looking for solutions to the exploits and a reliable means to handle the exploiters themselves. It's not simple and will take some time but the issues aren't being ignored. :)

    In the mean time this thread really isn't necessary. You ran on an assumption which I can't promise won't happen but I know has a beyond slim chance of becoming a reality.
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