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GWF + Armor Penetration = Worth it? PvE/PvP?
jezet
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So just decided to ask around about peoples opinions and if you have tried switching the stats around etc...
Anyway is Armor Penetration worth to invest in and how about Armor Penetration in PvE/PvP?
And go.
Anyway is Armor Penetration worth to invest in and how about Armor Penetration in PvE/PvP?
And go.
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crit is not a good stat on GWF/
May I ask why recovery? I have a little 27 GWF and I don't yet have any ability besides restoring strike that makes me want to get lots of CDR.
This is really spec situational. Armor pen is important, but crit is a vital stat for GWF, especially paired with the crit bleed feat in destroyer. I've tried multiple different combination and used my respec tokens at 60 already to run epic dungeons, especially ones with lots of trash mobs grouped up. And I've found that with high crit stats I do much more damage than without it. I'd say that power> crit > resto> arpen is the order of preferred stats. But like i said it's spec situational.
With high restoration and speccing into the destroyer tree you can have slam up constantly - back to back - in aoe dungeons, and unstoppable up constantly as well. Having SLAM up constantly as well as unstoppable is far more effective than any other build for GWF at the moment and managing these resources and planning around maximizing their point gain is key to success with this class
for pvp i dont like 'depending' on crit and would rather know my cooldowns, have them low, and be a surefire wreck
Power>Recovery=crit. That is, when you go into the Destroyer tree.
Albeit I am blatantly assuming that the bleed-effect stacks.
The reason behind my thoughts is that Power, as per usual, increases damage of very attack, encounter or not. So that's a no-brainer. Recovery, while lowering the cooldown, has to be quite a bit to be noticed. You have to remember that, with ten second cooldowns, 10% "just" make up one second. For 20 seconds, 5% make up one second of course. But then again, you have to ask yourself, how often are you going to use these skills? If you are currently leveling, Cooldowns are only a matter when you fight a boss or are doing a dungeon. So unless you are having issues with a boss, or are at max level, no stat (except for power) should weight more than the other.
I'm already regretting having put points into Defence to power talent, but whatever.
If you get to the levle where all you do is dungeoneering, you have to differentiate-> Is it a single-target boss? Or a multi-target boss?
Do you have to tank adds?
If you have to indeed tank spawning adds (I'm blatantly assuming that's every boss), then you should value recovery above crit, simply for the fact that you are goin to use your AoE cooldowns like a madman.
If you, however, end up fighting a boss without adds (unlikely, but let's go there), then you might actually have to consider crit. As far as i have played (Level 27) there are very few Single-target related skills. (Recovering Strike comes to mind, god that thing is so awesome!) In that case, since you will be spamming your auto-attack like a madman, crit might win out due to the bleed stacking.
I might of course be wrong, because, again, I am not max. level with my GWF yet.
Generalising the weight of Stats is always a difficult thing.
My advice for the OP is the following:
make a set of skills and items you cna use for every instance. Take a good look at teh instance, groups of monsters, boss, layout, obstacles, and then consider making a .txt-file with a list if skills that fit the dungeon better.
I know it sounds weird, but that's what I do as a tank (well, did ... before tanking in WoW, for example, became a cakewalk)
Weapon Damage by far beats out the power stat. I'll forego an 80+ power upgrade if I can keep 80% of that increase in either armor pen or crit chance, but a 10 damage increase in weapon damage will outperform both alternatives hands down. Given my build, I actually lost 120 power and some armor pen for a shadowfell greatsword that had +86 weapon damage. At level 26, my at- will single target increased damage by a good 18%, my encounters by an easy 25%. My crits went from a top range of 1137 to occasionally hitting in the 1800's. (normally 1600.) PS: doing the dungeon for lvl 24, I can top damage easily enough. Sometimes I'm close to 200k over the next highest.
Slam is still my daily of choice simply because I can perform attacks while it is running. It gets it's guarantee of being on my hotkeys due to the extra bonus of a slow. My secondary is avalanche of steel currently due to the specific situation of being able to jump and move my land position if there are too many mobs between me and that pesky PC cleric that ends up pulling a dozen mobs on him.
End game, I'm going to scale so that I'll hopefully retain 30-33% crit, and then cycle recovery/power in equal measure. Then it's armor pen in last place.
Armor pen + student of the sword.
Most 2peice sets for GWF have 400 crit including the ancient, none have armor pen.
Weapon master currently gives 10% crit.
The base dmg on GWF encounters are already big numbers at base, just getting them to crit for full dmg is enough to kill an opponent.
And oddly enough Lifesteal should not be ignored, it works very well with the temp hp Unstoppable gives.
While I wouldn't mind recovery as a GWF Unstoppable helps a lot with the longer CDs you have to deal with.
end game gear, my Wizard has 23.7% damage resist (shadow set and CN weapons).
GAHAHAHAHA, omg. *wipes tears from eyes* you, you are WAY TOO funny.
Crit not important? Right, right. Man my abs hurt now. Good play sir! Good play!
That statement is from almost 2 months ago.
Anyways ArP is most definately the best stat in pvp. Even your rouges and wizards have about 25-30% mitigation, crit is second.
Power sucks, please quit trying to make it sound good, 4k power adds like 175 weapon damage. Seriously my pvp gwf still hits 14-16k flourishes with 2k power.
if you want to do good DPS you should aim for over 6k power. your surestrikes will hit for 800 damage unbuffed.
and also the featured satirical comedic adventure "A Call for Heroes".
Please learn the soft-caps on these (around 2kish for everything except power).
You'd probably do better to get everything to 2.2k and then stack power due to diminishing returns on hard stats. This is a bit of a tall order until you're 12k+ but, you probably are. Also, get a lightning weapon enchant (greater) and learn to shift-cancel your swings.
Again, I assume you know this information being a founder playing with end-game stats, but for the newer people this might help.
Edit: I'd rather see a defensive sentinel build with bravery than a full dps build that gets shredded by adds btw, smoother runs (i.e. proper add control) are more fun and effective in the long run for your cws/clerics. Though if you run with a good GF, go full dps
Armor pen is only capped at 24% because no one has found a monster with more armor then that yet :P
Are you going to fix it in nearly future, or I should change my Paragon Path from Swordmaster into Iron Vanguard?
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