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Stats for a Devoted Cleric

ronbo68ronbo68 Member Posts: 71 Arc User
edited April 2013 in PvE Discussion
Hi Everyone! Just a question or two on stats for a devoted cleric. :) The fiancee will be playing a DC while I will be playing a GF when we play together but I was planning on playing a DC while she is at work or busy otherwise. If I was looking to solo with him mainly or farm what stats would you recommend or would it really matter?

During the betas I got the feeling at times that the recommended gear by the game was a little off when it came to stats. I was stacking recovery/crit mainly with power ooccasionally but if our Righteousness is still at 40% would i want to stack something else? Would life steal or mitigation help any? Now I do plan occasionally to group for the instances so would different stats for that matter? As you can see I am not a theorycrafter but I know some people enjoy it so would greatly appreciate any advice someone may have. Thank you for the help. :)
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  • deistikdeistik Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 658 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2013
    Farming I would go all power/crit, stacking WIS. I plan on stacking STR and going all crit/recovery, but I will also be specced for maximum healing/ debuff recasts.

    Honestly, overall, your stats won't matter that much, but for a lot of people (myself included) it's all about min/maxing. You can't really make a wrong choice for stats, if you don't care about that aspect of it.
  • inexistinexist Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    About the same here. I was honestly considering a Str crit/rec build earlier this week. But I think, at this point, I'm leaning more towards Wis/Cha Recovery/Power build. Anyway, good luck with whatever you decide :)

    Btw, I would steer clear of Life Steal for a Cleric. I tried it in the betas with both my DC and my TR. On the DC it seemed pointless. Not enough damage for a significant return. The TR however, if LS is stacked, can be a decent constant heal for solo play. In short, for Strikers, possibly, simply because of the high damage output.
  • ronbo68ronbo68 Member Posts: 71 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Hi Deistik! :) Thanks for the post. That was also why I mentioned grouping just to see if there was something else I may need to look at. Kind of like having two sets of gear if you will. :D And from what I have noticed it does seem like you can't really go wrong with stats. But I also like hearing advice or opinoins from people who do enjoy min-maxing.

    In WoW when I played and raided I always went to EJ's Theorycrafting website. It was fun seeing people have discussions about min-maxing because it was their hobby if you will. Thank you for the reply!
  • ronbo68ronbo68 Member Posts: 71 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Hi Inexist! :) Thank you for the advice and reply. LOL I noticed that about LS. I tried stacking and the percentages just didn't seem to add up or make a huge difference so I went for recovery/crit then power. I was thinking recovery(haste) allowed for faster casting which did seem to help. Ahhh. I didn't think about that for a TR, interesting. :) What about a CW?
  • hexigenhexigen Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Im not really sure
  • t3hc0rr0d3rt3hc0rr0d3r Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I'll go with Wis/Cha with some Str and Rec/Crit equip, to be more balanced.
  • imivoimivo Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1,682 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2013
    One thing to consider is that WIS is the theoretical main stat for the DC, but CHA and STR are currently arguably more efficient choices. However, since the respec token will not allow you to re-roll your initial stats, it may be a good to start with 18 WIS (and then use the level up points on STR and CHA) in case Cryptic decides to make WIS more crucial. WIS isn't terrible or bad at all, just arguably a little inferior to the other two. I'll start my DC with WIS 18, CHA 13, STR 13, CON 10, INT 10 and DEX 8. If I were to go with human, I'd put the +2 points into WIS. I'll be Tiefling, so it's +2 CHA and +2 INT. If WIS stays the way it is now, more STR may be a better approach.
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  • kotlikotli Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 577
    edited April 2013
    Correct me if I am wrong but is not STR the worse of the 3 main stats for Clerics?
  • t3hc0rr0d3rt3hc0rr0d3r Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Nope, if you want crit.
  • ronbo68ronbo68 Member Posts: 71 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Oh wow! I didn't even think of that imivo. :) lol I took for granted that WIS was what it was supposed to be when you read the character sheet and you got more bang for your extra points in it. When I rolled originally I made a half-elf and threw the +2 points in the beginning in WIS to 20 mainly then split between STR/CHA as I leveled. lol I may have to alter that. :) I really liked how the tieflings look too. Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge! :D
  • imivoimivo Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1,682 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2013
    Getting 18+2 WIS is not a bad idea! That is what I would do if I went with a human or HE. Then everything into STR and CHA is a good way. If Cryptic make WIS more crucial, your starting stats were well chosen (you cannot change those, not even with a token) and you can respec and re-assign the points you got while leveling. If they don't change anything, 18/20 WIS is not hurting you, either. Now if we knew that WIS remained somewhat less useful than STR, then I would go with 16 WIS and more STR. But I think 18/20 is a safer bet.

    And just to make sure I don't give a wrong impression: Tieflings are not the best choice for a cleric, in my opinion. I just want to play one (must have a tail!) and the race works fine for the class. But human would be the better choice (just so boring). :)
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  • adameoadameo Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    imivo wrote: »
    ...... But human would be the better choice (just so boring). :)

    Why?
    ......
  • trique76trique76 Member Posts: 95 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I was totally into play a HE, but after some reading I am inclined to play as human because of the extra feat. I"d like to play was a HE then go 18wis + 2. But people keeps always taking about how important the extra point for humans are or how tieflings are great clerics thanks to their boost of both int and cha.
    After reading this thread I am inclined to roll either a human with 18+2 wis and spend the rest on STR because a want a dps cleric. Thoughs?
  • cruhzcruhz Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    i'm following this endless discussion about allocating inital stat "rolls" and the more i read, the more confuse i got.
    Someone who played a bit in the beta knows how much regen/crit (% wise) do you get from gear? The stat discussion is all about a +-3 maybe 4%, how much does it comes from the equip? initial stats are really something so important?
    My grammar suck? I'm only italian, sorry. :cool:
  • imivoimivo Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1,682 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2013
    No, the starting stats are not crucial in the sense that you can mess up your character (all three that you can choose do something beneficial for the class), but if you can get a small advantage by picking more optimal ones, especially for your preferred playstyle, it's not a bad idea to do this. :)

    I ended up going with a human after all. 18+2, 13, 13, 10, 10, 8 (dex). Boring race, but I didn't like the Tiefling faces when I created the character :p
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  • cruhzcruhz Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    imivo wrote: »
    I ended up going with a human after all. 18+2, 13, 13, 10, 10, 8 (dex). Boring race, but I didn't like the Tiefling faces when I created the character :p

    My exact thought. Even for the tiefling thingy :)
    My grammar suck? I'm only italian, sorry. :cool:
  • ronbo68ronbo68 Member Posts: 71 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    imivo wrote: »
    No, the starting stats are not crucial in the sense that you can mess up your character (all three that you can choose do something beneficial for the class), but if you can get a small advantage by picking more optimal ones, especially for your preferred playstyle, it's not a bad idea to do this. :)

    I ended up going with a human after all. 18+2, 13, 13, 10, 10, 8 (dex). Boring race, but I didn't like the Tiefling faces when I created the character :p

    Is that 18+2 STR Imivo? Think I will still go HE and the extra WIS then work on STR CHA. You can only put +1 into any stat at one time when leveling right? Oh man that sucks on the faces. :( But I also hear human is good with the extra feat points. LOL But I still won't play one. :p
  • imivoimivo Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1,682 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2013
    No, that's 18 WIS, and the two human extra points into WIS too. 13 for CHA and STR (all level up points go into those two as well).
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  • ronbo68ronbo68 Member Posts: 71 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Ahh! I see. Sorry ya had to pick the boring race. lol :p Maybe they will add some faces later on more palatable for ya. :)
  • shinon748shinon748 Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    All this was great info to read up on since my main is going to be a cleric. Thanks guys!
  • unspecifiederrorunspecifiederror Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 315 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2013
    For the record, it's possible to get 14/18/14 stat distribution at the start. If you then dump all points in to Str and Cha you get a 20/20/20 at level 60.

    It's what I settled on because I'm indecisive that way. Also, Crit = Amazing.
  • mewbreymewbrey Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 517 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2013
    unspecifiederror wrote: »
    For the record, it's possible to get 14/18/14 stat distribution at the start. If you then dump all points in to Str and Cha you get a 20/20/20 at level 60.

    It's what I settled on because I'm indecisive that way. Also, Crit = Amazing.

    I've only ever seen a raw start of 13/18/13 o.O I think your referring to a 14/16/14 with a +2 to get the 16 to 18? Sorry I may just be getting confused my English grammar is terrible. ^^
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  • imivoimivo Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1,682 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2013
    unspecifiederror wrote: »
    For the record, it's possible to get 14/18/14 stat distribution at the start. If you then dump all points in to Str and Cha you get a 20/20/20 at level 60.

    Here are the possible arrays you can get: http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Ability_Score_Rolling
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  • ronbo68ronbo68 Member Posts: 71 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Now that is interesting. Thanks for the link imivo and the added info unspecified. :) If I was to go 13/20/13 at the start with character creation, wouldn't I still be able to get to 20/20/20 at 60?
  • streamofsolacestreamofsolace Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    ronbo68 wrote: »
    Now that is interesting. Thanks for the link imivo and the added info unspecified. :) If I was to go 13/20/13 at the start with character creation, wouldn't I still be able to get to 20/20/20 at 60?

    No, you gain +1 to all attributes twice on your way to 60. If you started with 20, even with no additional points invested you will end with 22.
  • unspecifiederrorunspecifiederror Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 315 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2013
    mewbrey wrote: »
    I've only ever seen a raw start of 13/18/13 o.O I think your referring to a 14/16/14 with a +2 to get the 16 to 18? Sorry I may just be getting confused my English grammar is terrible. ^^

    Yeah sorry, I guess I should have specified that the +2 was in wisdom. It is a base 14/16/14 distribution I used. Since the max any one stat can get while leveling is +6 and the lowest is +2 it's the simplest way to get the 20/20/20 I wanted.

    Edit: For more clarity, 20/20/20 can be achieved with other stat distributions it just requires a very specific placement of +2 since no stat can be below 14 or above 18 at character creation. Whether or not you think 20/20/20 is worth doing is another matter. 60 stats distributed across str, wis, cha is the max though it would be 62 if there was a race that actually gave +2/+2 to two of the clerics main stats like every other class can get.
  • wintersmercywintersmercy Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Can't remember what I started as, but as a Human I'm currently on 22 STR, 18 WIS and 16 CHA at level 35. This is a more optimised build than I had over the betas, but at level 35 I'm finding my character far weaker than before. Maybe I should be making more effort to get Recovery gear, but it really feels like something's a bit off.

    Possibly it's because I'm using the Honey Badger instead of the Cleric pet, but it really shouldn't be making this much difference.
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