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GWF Role is AOE Damage?
zardoz007
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Many GWF players have posted there negative feelings too the Beta4 Nerfs. My own going poll for those that will play the class still have more No than Yes. But other players justify the GWF lacking capabilities by their Superior Aoe skills.
So is the GWF an Aoe Machine?
I've been thinking about this, and If the GWF is supposed to be an Aoe Damage dealer then they should be topping the damage charts above rogue as long as they consistently have 3 or more mobs to beat on.
It makes sense right You hit more mobs with an Aoe Attack you should be doing more damage than any single target striker overall. And this is balanced by the fact that you are going to draw alot more threat and mobs will want to kill you. This to me would Justify the "Great Potion Drinker" if that was the reason he goes through potions like water, Id be fine with that. But no it is because he can't kill trash fast enough that and he takes so many more extra hits that he drinks potions like that.
I guess this is just another threat about how to "Define" the GWF role.
If the GWF is an AOE damage dealer please let him do More damage, and not have them deal less damage the more targets you hit. He should be topping the charts all the time in against dungeon trash but not so much in the actual boss fights against a single big boss.
If the GWF is a tank he needs more ways to reduce damage or have self healing and Most importantly more ways to Build threat.
If the GWF is a striker he needs more options for single target damage and better single target damage At wills He will also need more CC like the rogue does because he is also very squishy and needs ways to single out mobs, without dying.
I prefer to see the GWF as all of the above, spec to choose what you want to be by sacrificing every else.
So is the GWF an Aoe Machine?
I've been thinking about this, and If the GWF is supposed to be an Aoe Damage dealer then they should be topping the damage charts above rogue as long as they consistently have 3 or more mobs to beat on.
It makes sense right You hit more mobs with an Aoe Attack you should be doing more damage than any single target striker overall. And this is balanced by the fact that you are going to draw alot more threat and mobs will want to kill you. This to me would Justify the "Great Potion Drinker" if that was the reason he goes through potions like water, Id be fine with that. But no it is because he can't kill trash fast enough that and he takes so many more extra hits that he drinks potions like that.
I guess this is just another threat about how to "Define" the GWF role.
If the GWF is an AOE damage dealer please let him do More damage, and not have them deal less damage the more targets you hit. He should be topping the charts all the time in against dungeon trash but not so much in the actual boss fights against a single big boss.
If the GWF is a tank he needs more ways to reduce damage or have self healing and Most importantly more ways to Build threat.
If the GWF is a striker he needs more options for single target damage and better single target damage At wills He will also need more CC like the rogue does because he is also very squishy and needs ways to single out mobs, without dying.
I prefer to see the GWF as all of the above, spec to choose what you want to be by sacrificing every else.
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Problem with overpowering any class in a certain department is that the players will overpopulate said class. It's evident with all the TR Love/Hate going on. Ultimately, I want a balanced class, where the play style will be different than any other damage dealer, but the contribution is no less. If GWF has the most damage, it'll just be the current "Flavor of the Week" until nerf bat class whack a mole. I hated it in other MMO's and made me stop playing them. I like the DnD universe, and I'd love to stay. So long as the damage classes are unique, but contribute equally, then everyone will potentially be reasonably happy. Currently they aren't, in many peoples eyes, so there is some dissent.
Right now the TR is the class with the big numbers, good at solo and awesome at PvP. I remember joining a PvP match with my GWF and had 4 rogues on the team.. We owned. I died all the time did no damage as the other team realized I could not escape like the rest of my team and I became the focus.
I personally do not see the GWF as an AOE machine, Even in Beta3 his numbers where not all that impressive compared to other classes. I would prefer just the two options of Striker or Tank spec to choose and that would be enough.
While I'll fully admit to not playing any PvP it seems to me the best option when fighting 1-to-1 is to hit with swordmaster's, then follow up with a knockdown, a set of sure stike, swordmaster's again, then flourish(? the level 30 encounter paragon power) and a restoring strike.
If you can work in an Unstoppable in there you can in a single knockdown period get in two sets of sure-strike and your other 2 encounter powers which should put most classes down. Lord knows it does wonders on LT and above level mobs.
Hence "knock down" which will make them stand still.
Though it seems pretty clear that the GWF is going to be more a general pressure DPS rather than a straight big burst DPS like the TR. So we're party humpers, hanging close by the heals and CW and others to stack damage rather than going out hunting.
And if that's all it is, that's easily fixed by rebalancing stuff. I'd love to see that as the only problem, but these and other issues need to be addressed.