The game may not be full-on Pay-to-Win, but there will be power sold in the C-store, that's only available in the C-store, which is directly against their promise of a "cosmetic-only" cash shop.
And grinding for AD to sell on the exchange for ZEN doesn't change that it's paying for power, since someone has to buy that ZEN with real money.
Seeing as how the C-store isn't even finished yet, I'm not sure how you make that claim. I'm guessing from the info from last beta weekend, which was confirmed as a non-complete store.
The game may not be full-on Pay-to-Win, but there will be power sold in the C-store, that's only available in the C-store, which is directly against their promise of a "cosmetic-only" cash shop.
And grinding for AD to sell on the exchange for ZEN doesn't change that it's paying for power, since someone has to buy that ZEN with real money.
What exactly are they selling in the store that is "power"?
What exactly are they selling in the store that is "power"?
That's what I'd like to know too. Haven't seen anything yet that gives a distinct advantage and if they use the model they are using in STO items that do give temp buff will not work in Pvp so honestly why the worry.
Plenty of other games that promised not to have P2W but didn't have anywhere near the balanced economy Cryptic games have. I wonder sometimes if these threads are created and instigated by paid-for-by-competitors employees that want to cause trouble for a launch of a new title instead of real people with real concerns.
What exactly are they selling in the store that is "power"?
I don't know yet, but they sell power in the CO and STO stores, before and after PWE bought them out, and both were supposed to be "cosmetic-only" cash shops.
Anyone not expecting the exact same thing here eventually is fooling themselves.
i understand what they said but how they approach founder/aka collector's edition and etc is already saying pay2win. 2 extra day head start okay w.e to that but. Look at their original value of the things in the founder's pack. 500ish$. which means each mount/race is 100$ unless this "unlocked race" has no benefits wat so ever and is like a normal elf or another race it has already started pay 2 win.
Can you imagine urself buying the mounts or unlock the race for 100$? even ddo isn't that steep.
I don't know yet, but they sell power in the CO and STO stores, before and after PWE bought them out, and both were supposed to be "cosmetic-only" cash shops.
Anyone not expecting the exact same thing here eventually is fooling themselves.
What things do you consider "power" in the CO and STO shop?
What things do you consider "power" in the CO and STO shop?
STO a bunch of ships and equipment (spacesuits, for example) that are quantifiably better than what's available in-game outside of the shop. That isn't cosmetic - that's paying for power.
STO a bunch of ships and equipment (spacesuits, for example) that are quantifiably better than what's available in-game outside of the shop. That isn't cosmetic - that's paying for power.
i understand what they said but how they approach founder/aka collector's edition and etc is already saying pay2win. 2 extra day head start okay w.e to that but. Look at their original value of the things in the founder's pack. 500ish$. which means each mount/race is 100$ unless this "unlocked race" has no benefits wat so ever and is like a normal elf or another race it has already started pay 2 win.
Can you imagine urself buying the mounts or unlock the race for 100$? even ddo isn't that steep.
Im so confuse now :S But i think you got a Point here..
at least i hope u can earn ZEn in the game. If they do it that way, and u just use real money for a short cut for the ppl that not play a lot. I think will be fine. I just hope they dont create a game where u can get things only With real money, i hope they create a way to earn those stuff playing too, and not only paying. I dont mind pay couple $ for a good game. But i just dont like these games where u have to pay for the fun, Unless play for the fun.
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julzMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 2Arc User
edited March 2013
At the current state Neverwinter is a nerfed version of Astral Online.
Just compare Neverwinter with Blacklight, a fps from perfect world.
You can get permanent upgrades/weapons with Zen, XP boost and cosmetics for your guns that's it.
For two permanent weapon bundles you have to pay around 15$.
If you compare it to Neverwinter, Neverwinter is 100 times more expensiv.
Ofcourse you can "ripp off" better in a MMO then in a fps, nobody would play a fps if it would be pay2win.
Neverwinter isn't pay2win, it's just ten mountains to expensive.
You have already 3 ingame currencys... Guild Wars has 2 and on top of it most likely everything is cosmetic.
Why do I have to pay 100$ to get the fastest mount?
Why do I have to spend 100 days, each day 3h of farming to get the fastest mount, not the "best looking" one.
Change it or your Game will slowly die.
Tell me a reason why I have to pay more then 100$ to get the fastest mount, all bags, 3 outfits and two pets.
You don't even get those things with the 60$ founders package.
In my view it's a ripp of. Sorry to say it again, WHY do I have to pay so much money for standard pay once, get everything 50$ gameplay?
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wesgarMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, SilverstarsPosts: 0Arc User
edited March 2013
It's all about finding a Balance, I don't know of ANY (financially successful) game out there that is 'purely cosmetic' upgrades.
League of Legends probably comes the closest. But even in that game, you will find some that cry 'pay to win' when a new class is released for cash only, that at least 'appears' to be more powerful than it's free brethren.
So, if you were to add, 'very' to your sentence then I think that you'll find a bunch of folks that can get behind you on that one.
as in:
I hope that this game isn't VERY pay to win.
As far as I can see, there will always be 'some' areas that 'power' can be purchased - I think that most people don't mind, as long as that same 'power' can be earned for free, with time.
I also, think that the Dev's and Marketers of this game have worked VERY hard to find that balance that will be acceptable to the western culture that they are marketing the game too.
you are going to see some 'Perfect world' influence in the game, with some ridiculously priced items, ($40 mounts, and companions,) but right next to those, you'll feel mollified, seeing that you can 'earn' similar items by just playing the game and putting in the time.
So, ya, I'm with you, I certainly hope that it's not very 'pay to win'.
Personally, I wish it was 'old style' retail and subscribe, then I'd be into it sixty bucks plus as many months 'subscription fee' as I played the game - instead, I'm already into it $300 dollars deep. So ya, 'free to play' certainly doesn't mean that people aren't going to buy stuff in the game. They are -it's fun, you can get in and 'play for free' and while you do, you are most likely going to see some thing that you don't mind spending a few bucks on. They are COUNTING on that, and I wish them luck.
So far, I'm loving the game.
Thanks,
zWolf / Wesgar
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wesgarMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, SilverstarsPosts: 0Arc User
In my view it's a ripp of. Sorry to say it again, WHY do I have to pay so much money for standard pay once, get everything 50$ gameplay?
This 'view' of yours, it just seems 'off', I'd ask why you 'need' the fastest mount in the first place, you can play this game for free - and enjoy ton's of time in it... all that 'free' time you put in - how on earth could that be a 'rip off'?
not only that, but you can actually even GET that 'fastest mount' in the game, FOR FREAKING FREE, if you put in enough time... of course, it needs to be a LOT of time, otherwise, there is no value for the people shelling out the hundreds of dollars to get it faster.
basically the amount of time it takes you to get it for free, helps to determine how much it is worth - so ya, if you had to play the game for 100 hours, to get the fastest mount, and they pop it up there on the 'cash shop' for $100 dollars, then a guy would have to be willing to pay one dollar an hour to save him the 'time' to get the mount.
if the same mount took, 1000 hours to earn by playing, then the cost per hour goes down to a dime an hour, and who isn't willing to pay a dime to save an hour? (see how our human brains work?)
keep in mind though, that at the same time that he is 'saving time' buy buying, he is also providing a way for the Dev's to make this content available not only to he who is willing to pay, but also to he who is NOT willing to pay, but enjoys playing for free.
I know that I sound like I'm in favor of this monetization model, but I'm really not. It just happens to be the way that the industry is heading - we the consumers are actually 'voting' it in with our dollars and yen.
I have to be quite selective about the 'free to play' games that I 'try', because I have found that if I end up 'liking them' that I spend WAY more in them than I would on a 'regular' buy and subscribe game.
Either way, if your going to have an awesome game like this, it HAS to make money somehow.
you ask, why it's not the 'get every thing for $50', and the answer to that is that game makers are actually starting to make MORE money, going the 'micro transaction' route, than the 'pay once and get it all up front' way that used to work.
The landscape is changing, and there are pro's and cons.
Game makers are finding that more people will 'try out' a free to play game, and have found that model is a great way to get their work in-front of customers. We are still in the 'infancy' stage of developing this model - Never Winter seems to be a blend of what works in Korea and other parts of the world, mixed in with some heavy influence of what this 'western' culture will tolerate - the only thing is, this 'western culture' is still figuring out what that is... I certainly know that my view points have changed over the past eighteen months or so.
I wish them luck, the game is really fun to play, and hopefully what ever they do to 'make money' on the large investment that they have made into making this game, will work for them, and it will continue to grow.
Thanks,
zWolf / Wesgar
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julzMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 2Arc User
edited March 2013
You can get everything in Lol for free.
It takes only 24h farming to get 6000-7000 RP points and you can unlock a new hero.
The Problem is the publisher, the Neverwinter, DND Team had to integrate Zen, the prices coming from PerfectWorld the publisher.
I want to see the next Game from your Team on Kickstarter.
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wesgarMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, SilverstarsPosts: 0Arc User
You can get everything in Lol for free.
It takes only 24h farming to get 6000-7000 RP points and you can unlock a new hero.
The Problem is the publisher, the Neverwinter, DND Team had to integrate Zen, the prices coming from PerfectWorld the publisher.
I want to see the next Game from your Team on Kickstarter.
Rgr that, when I saw this at PAX last year, I played it and was intrigued, but finding out that it was a 'free to play' by Perfect World, was what made me hang my head, I'd almost decided not to even 'give it a chance'... then I saw the press, footage of their 'beta play' and signed up for the $200, thing - they had me hooked.
but either way, I'm with you, that I 'wish' that I could have got the game for 50 bucks, and paid a subscription for a year and a few months instead with my $200 - thing is, we as consumers are willingly 'paying more' for free to play's. (look at DDO, and LOTRO, which are doing better as F2P / Micro Transaction, than they did as subscription games.
anyway, we are 'mostly' saying the same thing. only, seeing as how we are not going to change their mind on the way they monetize this one, I'd like to point out, that so far, 'value for dollar' in MY opinion, is totally there. I'm loving the game, and don't feel 'too' bad that I already paid as much as I did. (other than like I said, wishing that it were cheaper,) oh - and, I REALLY think that people that don't want to pay ANYTHING, are going to love this game, there is just SO much content in there.
As long as you don't get all 'bent out of shape' that it will take you a long time, to get a certain thing in the game, there are 'tons' of other things that you can get that really don't take all that long.
G'luck.
Wesgar.
Thanks,
zWolf / Wesgar
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shadow685Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited March 2013
lol u r looking for a game that is p2w?
stop looking and just play Battle of Immortals
lol most greedy and unfairest shop i ever saw in any f2p mmorpg
and since this is PWE it will most likely be p2w
and if i read BS like this:
Pay to Win - Very Few MMOs stay true "P2W" but they are out there, World of Tanks and it's "Gold Ammo" is the only one I can think of personally.
i only can guess this person isnt very experinced at all...
btw u dont need to spend 40$ for mount u can get same speed mount from doing pvp ,farming ad ,and how game is now it is fine for now but in year or more it will become more cs depend if will work like all pwe games
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ranncoreMember, Moderators, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 2,508
edited March 2013
I'm a big fan of another Cryptic title, Star Trek Online, and I really like the F2P system they have there. But it took them 3 years to get where they are now. They had a rocky launch, or so I heard, and frankly, I don't expect Neverwinter to be any different in that respect.
I have trust that Cryptic can (at least eventually) come up with a fair F2P system, but withholding necessities like ID scrolls and Resurrection scrolls might be a deal breaker for me. At least, til they get their **** straight. Which may be 3 years after release.
At the current state Neverwinter is a nerfed version of Astral Online.
Just compare Neverwinter with Blacklight, a fps from perfect world.
You can get permanent upgrades/weapons with Zen, XP boost and cosmetics for your guns that's it.
For two permanent weapon bundles you have to pay around 15$.
If you compare it to Neverwinter, Neverwinter is 100 times more expensiv.
Ofcourse you can "ripp off" better in a MMO then in a fps, nobody would play a fps if it would be pay2win.
Neverwinter isn't pay2win, it's just ten mountains to expensive.
You have already 3 ingame currencys... Guild Wars has 2 and on top of it most likely everything is cosmetic.
Why do I have to pay 100$ to get the fastest mount?
Why do I have to spend 100 days, each day 3h of farming to get the fastest mount, not the "best looking" one.
Change it or your Game will slowly die.
Tell me a reason why I have to pay more then 100$ to get the fastest mount, all bags, 3 outfits and two pets.
You don't even get those things with the 60$ founders package.
In my view it's a ripp of. Sorry to say it again, WHY do I have to pay so much money for standard pay once, get everything 50$ gameplay?
It's all about finding a Balance, I don't know of ANY (financially successful) game out there that is 'purely cosmetic' upgrades.
League of Legends probably comes the closest. But even in that game, you will find some that cry 'pay to win' when a new class is released for cash only, that at least 'appears' to be more powerful than it's free brethren.
So, if you were to add, 'very' to your sentence then I think that you'll find a bunch of folks that can get behind you on that one.
as in:
I hope that this game isn't VERY pay to win.
As far as I can see, there will always be 'some' areas that 'power' can be purchased - I think that most people don't mind, as long as that same 'power' can be earned for free, with time.
I also, think that the Dev's and Marketers of this game have worked VERY hard to find that balance that will be acceptable to the western culture that they are marketing the game too.
you are going to see some 'Perfect world' influence in the game, with some ridiculously priced items, ($40 mounts, and companions,) but right next to those, you'll feel mollified, seeing that you can 'earn' similar items by just playing the game and putting in the time.
So, ya, I'm with you, I certainly hope that it's not very 'pay to win'.
Personally, I wish it was 'old style' retail and subscribe, then I'd be into it sixty bucks plus as many months 'subscription fee' as I played the game - instead, I'm already into it $300 dollars deep. So ya, 'free to play' certainly doesn't mean that people aren't going to buy stuff in the game. They are -it's fun, you can get in and 'play for free' and while you do, you are most likely going to see some thing that you don't mind spending a few bucks on. They are COUNTING on that, and I wish them luck.
So far, I'm loving the game.
Theres one! DRAKENSANG ONLINE. YOu can buy ANDERMANTS to get things on the game. But u can find andermants playing too. THATS WHAT i CALL BALANCE for f2p and p2w players.
Rgr that, when I saw this at PAX last year, I played it and was intrigued, but finding out that it was a 'free to play' by Perfect World, was what made me hang my head, I'd almost decided not to even 'give it a chance'... then I saw the press, footage of their 'beta play' and signed up for the $200, thing - they had me hooked.
but either way, I'm with you, that I 'wish' that I could have got the game for 50 bucks, and paid a subscription for a year and a few months instead with my $200 - thing is, we as consumers are willingly 'paying more' for free to play's. (look at DDO, and LOTRO, which are doing better as F2P / Micro Transaction, than they did as subscription games.
anyway, we are 'mostly' saying the same thing. only, seeing as how we are not going to change their mind on the way they monetize this one, I'd like to point out, that so far, 'value for dollar' in MY opinion, is totally there. I'm loving the game, and don't feel 'too' bad that I already paid as much as I did. (other than like I said, wishing that it were cheaper,) oh - and, I REALLY think that people that don't want to pay ANYTHING, are going to love this game, there is just SO much content in there.
As long as you don't get all 'bent out of shape' that it will take you a long time, to get a certain thing in the game, there are 'tons' of other things that you can get that really don't take all that long.
G'luck.
Wesgar.
Well Like i say many times. I dont mind pay! But look all the content that u can get from a Single game like SKYRIM With a great story better than most MMO games. And u get everything for 50 bucks. I love the GW2 system. I think they have the best system for make money. (50$ for the game and mini trans for costume stuff) And u have EVERYTHING that others can have. All clases everything. What is better than that?
But o well. LEts see how balance they make this game to both have the same fun as f2p or p2w.
Can we just STOP with these stupid P2W threads already! There are a gazillion of them.
NW is NOT P2W. Get over it already.
I boils down to this...
You like the game...play it.
You don't like the game...don't play it.
This whole P2W topic is getting ridiculous.
If u dont care then why ur here? This is a forum right? why i cant make a simple question that seem to me that many fellas have the same question? You should go somewhere if u bother for ppl worries.
I just think that's a little unfair when you have the skills but you dont have the money these days.
But its fair that the guy who can only play one hour a night... this guy can have fun, by purchasing the things he needs to be competitive... The game is what you make of if, if you go into it thinking, pay to win, then you wont enjoy it... just take it for what it is, and thats an awesome game... from my experience, your not required to buy anything in the store.. its all optional stuff.. Pay to win doesn't effect my game, its doesn't effect how I play... MY GAME doesn't change a bit.. I suppose if you PvP pay to win can be a pain in the butt... but oh well... this is a free to play game, they have to make money, or there will be no game!
Free to play definition - if you have more time than money, then play for free... if you have more money, than time.. then pay to advance..
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Seeing as how the C-store isn't even finished yet, I'm not sure how you make that claim. I'm guessing from the info from last beta weekend, which was confirmed as a non-complete store.
What exactly are they selling in the store that is "power"?
That's what I'd like to know too. Haven't seen anything yet that gives a distinct advantage and if they use the model they are using in STO items that do give temp buff will not work in Pvp so honestly why the worry.
Plenty of other games that promised not to have P2W but didn't have anywhere near the balanced economy Cryptic games have. I wonder sometimes if these threads are created and instigated by paid-for-by-competitors employees that want to cause trouble for a launch of a new title instead of real people with real concerns.
I don't know yet, but they sell power in the CO and STO stores, before and after PWE bought them out, and both were supposed to be "cosmetic-only" cash shops.
Anyone not expecting the exact same thing here eventually is fooling themselves.
Can you imagine urself buying the mounts or unlock the race for 100$? even ddo isn't that steep.
What things do you consider "power" in the CO and STO shop?
STO a bunch of ships and equipment (spacesuits, for example) that are quantifiably better than what's available in-game outside of the shop. That isn't cosmetic - that's paying for power.
and in CO?
Im so confuse now :S But i think you got a Point here..
at least i hope u can earn ZEn in the game. If they do it that way, and u just use real money for a short cut for the ppl that not play a lot. I think will be fine. I just hope they dont create a game where u can get things only With real money, i hope they create a way to earn those stuff playing too, and not only paying. I dont mind pay couple $ for a good game. But i just dont like these games where u have to pay for the fun, Unless play for the fun.
Just compare Neverwinter with Blacklight, a fps from perfect world.
You can get permanent upgrades/weapons with Zen, XP boost and cosmetics for your guns that's it.
For two permanent weapon bundles you have to pay around 15$.
If you compare it to Neverwinter, Neverwinter is 100 times more expensiv.
Ofcourse you can "ripp off" better in a MMO then in a fps, nobody would play a fps if it would be pay2win.
Neverwinter isn't pay2win, it's just ten mountains to expensive.
You have already 3 ingame currencys... Guild Wars has 2 and on top of it most likely everything is cosmetic.
Why do I have to pay 100$ to get the fastest mount?
Why do I have to spend 100 days, each day 3h of farming to get the fastest mount, not the "best looking" one.
Change it or your Game will slowly die.
Tell me a reason why I have to pay more then 100$ to get the fastest mount, all bags, 3 outfits and two pets.
You don't even get those things with the 60$ founders package.
In my view it's a ripp of. Sorry to say it again, WHY do I have to pay so much money for standard pay once, get everything 50$ gameplay?
League of Legends probably comes the closest. But even in that game, you will find some that cry 'pay to win' when a new class is released for cash only, that at least 'appears' to be more powerful than it's free brethren.
So, if you were to add, 'very' to your sentence then I think that you'll find a bunch of folks that can get behind you on that one.
as in:
I hope that this game isn't VERY pay to win.
As far as I can see, there will always be 'some' areas that 'power' can be purchased - I think that most people don't mind, as long as that same 'power' can be earned for free, with time.
I also, think that the Dev's and Marketers of this game have worked VERY hard to find that balance that will be acceptable to the western culture that they are marketing the game too.
you are going to see some 'Perfect world' influence in the game, with some ridiculously priced items, ($40 mounts, and companions,) but right next to those, you'll feel mollified, seeing that you can 'earn' similar items by just playing the game and putting in the time.
So, ya, I'm with you, I certainly hope that it's not very 'pay to win'.
Personally, I wish it was 'old style' retail and subscribe, then I'd be into it sixty bucks plus as many months 'subscription fee' as I played the game - instead, I'm already into it $300 dollars deep. So ya, 'free to play' certainly doesn't mean that people aren't going to buy stuff in the game. They are -it's fun, you can get in and 'play for free' and while you do, you are most likely going to see some thing that you don't mind spending a few bucks on. They are COUNTING on that, and I wish them luck.
So far, I'm loving the game.
zWolf / Wesgar
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This 'view' of yours, it just seems 'off', I'd ask why you 'need' the fastest mount in the first place, you can play this game for free - and enjoy ton's of time in it... all that 'free' time you put in - how on earth could that be a 'rip off'?
not only that, but you can actually even GET that 'fastest mount' in the game, FOR FREAKING FREE, if you put in enough time... of course, it needs to be a LOT of time, otherwise, there is no value for the people shelling out the hundreds of dollars to get it faster.
basically the amount of time it takes you to get it for free, helps to determine how much it is worth - so ya, if you had to play the game for 100 hours, to get the fastest mount, and they pop it up there on the 'cash shop' for $100 dollars, then a guy would have to be willing to pay one dollar an hour to save him the 'time' to get the mount.
if the same mount took, 1000 hours to earn by playing, then the cost per hour goes down to a dime an hour, and who isn't willing to pay a dime to save an hour? (see how our human brains work?)
keep in mind though, that at the same time that he is 'saving time' buy buying, he is also providing a way for the Dev's to make this content available not only to he who is willing to pay, but also to he who is NOT willing to pay, but enjoys playing for free.
I know that I sound like I'm in favor of this monetization model, but I'm really not. It just happens to be the way that the industry is heading - we the consumers are actually 'voting' it in with our dollars and yen.
I have to be quite selective about the 'free to play' games that I 'try', because I have found that if I end up 'liking them' that I spend WAY more in them than I would on a 'regular' buy and subscribe game.
Either way, if your going to have an awesome game like this, it HAS to make money somehow.
you ask, why it's not the 'get every thing for $50', and the answer to that is that game makers are actually starting to make MORE money, going the 'micro transaction' route, than the 'pay once and get it all up front' way that used to work.
The landscape is changing, and there are pro's and cons.
Game makers are finding that more people will 'try out' a free to play game, and have found that model is a great way to get their work in-front of customers. We are still in the 'infancy' stage of developing this model - Never Winter seems to be a blend of what works in Korea and other parts of the world, mixed in with some heavy influence of what this 'western' culture will tolerate - the only thing is, this 'western culture' is still figuring out what that is... I certainly know that my view points have changed over the past eighteen months or so.
I wish them luck, the game is really fun to play, and hopefully what ever they do to 'make money' on the large investment that they have made into making this game, will work for them, and it will continue to grow.
zWolf / Wesgar
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It takes only 24h farming to get 6000-7000 RP points and you can unlock a new hero.
The Problem is the publisher, the Neverwinter, DND Team had to integrate Zen, the prices coming from PerfectWorld the publisher.
I want to see the next Game from your Team on Kickstarter.
Rgr that, when I saw this at PAX last year, I played it and was intrigued, but finding out that it was a 'free to play' by Perfect World, was what made me hang my head, I'd almost decided not to even 'give it a chance'... then I saw the press, footage of their 'beta play' and signed up for the $200, thing - they had me hooked.
but either way, I'm with you, that I 'wish' that I could have got the game for 50 bucks, and paid a subscription for a year and a few months instead with my $200 - thing is, we as consumers are willingly 'paying more' for free to play's. (look at DDO, and LOTRO, which are doing better as F2P / Micro Transaction, than they did as subscription games.
anyway, we are 'mostly' saying the same thing. only, seeing as how we are not going to change their mind on the way they monetize this one, I'd like to point out, that so far, 'value for dollar' in MY opinion, is totally there. I'm loving the game, and don't feel 'too' bad that I already paid as much as I did. (other than like I said, wishing that it were cheaper,) oh - and, I REALLY think that people that don't want to pay ANYTHING, are going to love this game, there is just SO much content in there.
As long as you don't get all 'bent out of shape' that it will take you a long time, to get a certain thing in the game, there are 'tons' of other things that you can get that really don't take all that long.
G'luck.
Wesgar.
zWolf / Wesgar
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stop looking and just play Battle of Immortals
lol most greedy and unfairest shop i ever saw in any f2p mmorpg
and since this is PWE it will most likely be p2w
and if i read BS like this:
i only can guess this person isnt very experinced at all...
RoM --> p2w
BoI --> p2w
Allods --> p2w
Flyff --> p2w
so maybe play a lil more...
NW is NOT P2W. Get over it already.
I boils down to this...
You like the game...play it.
You don't like the game...don't play it.
This whole P2W topic is getting ridiculous.
lol says the guy that bought the HOTN pack....
I have trust that Cryptic can (at least eventually) come up with a fair F2P system, but withholding necessities like ID scrolls and Resurrection scrolls might be a deal breaker for me. At least, til they get their **** straight. Which may be 3 years after release.
Very interesting your point :S
Theres one! DRAKENSANG ONLINE. YOu can buy ANDERMANTS to get things on the game. But u can find andermants playing too. THATS WHAT i CALL BALANCE for f2p and p2w players.
Well Like i say many times. I dont mind pay! But look all the content that u can get from a Single game like SKYRIM With a great story better than most MMO games. And u get everything for 50 bucks. I love the GW2 system. I think they have the best system for make money. (50$ for the game and mini trans for costume stuff) And u have EVERYTHING that others can have. All clases everything. What is better than that?
But o well. LEts see how balance they make this game to both have the same fun as f2p or p2w.
If u dont care then why ur here? This is a forum right? why i cant make a simple question that seem to me that many fellas have the same question? You should go somewhere if u bother for ppl worries.
But its fair that the guy who can only play one hour a night... this guy can have fun, by purchasing the things he needs to be competitive... The game is what you make of if, if you go into it thinking, pay to win, then you wont enjoy it... just take it for what it is, and thats an awesome game... from my experience, your not required to buy anything in the store.. its all optional stuff.. Pay to win doesn't effect my game, its doesn't effect how I play... MY GAME doesn't change a bit.. I suppose if you PvP pay to win can be a pain in the butt... but oh well... this is a free to play game, they have to make money, or there will be no game!
Free to play definition - if you have more time than money, then play for free... if you have more money, than time.. then pay to advance..