Daily AD from Random is 1/acc now? Really?

robai · July 2018

My main toon (non tank, non healer) did
Random: Intermediate queue (Tiamat)
Random: Leveling queue (Master of the Hunt)
and got 38K RAD total (with 50% bonus from invoking).

Now with my tank I did
Random: Intermediate queue (Valindra's Tower)
and I've got only 7050 RAD (with tank bonus and 50% bonus from invoking).
When looked at
Random: Leveling queue
it shows 1150 AD only for him (and it shows as repeat bonus, but I haven't done that one today).

A friend confirmed that he also sees similar stuff.

So, is it a bug or it's WAI?

The 100k cap is a small nerf and probably is a good idea, but it's a joke compared to this HUGE nerf.
If this is WAI then 100k cap is pointless since now it will be very hard to reach it anyway.

pitshade · July 2018

This was well documented and discussed on the Preview thread months back. Yes it is fully intended.

robai · July 2018

pitshade said:
This was well documented and discussed on the Preview thread months back. Yes it is fully intended.

OMG, it sucks then.
Well documented? I haven't noticed that in any of the patch notes.

So, they want us to play just 1 toon now?
I guess it's time to move on then and play other game.
Thank you!

reg1981 · July 2018

Random intermediate queue is profitable however you can only refine your 100k a day.

If your bonuses and salvage are good you can make 10k-15k per repeat run in the Intermediate queue. That's not bad for 8 min VT's or 5 min ETOS. I farmed this queue yesterday on my GF and I was able to get my weeks 700k.

pitshade · July 2018

"Random Queues

Thanks to the feedback we've received, we've adjusted Random Queues to be more in-line with the desires of the community. The queue categories have been adjusted to match various bands of difficulty, regardless of type. The "once per day" bonuses have also been made once-per-account rather than once-per-character, and the value of those bonuses has increased."

https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/neverwinter/news/detail/10936423

robai · July 2018

reg1981 said:
Random intermediate queue is profitable however you can only refine your 100k a day.

If your bonuses and salvage are good you can make 10k-15k per repeat run in the Intermediate queue. That's not bad for 8 min VT's or 5 min ETOS. I farmed this queue yesterday on my GF and I was able to get my weeks 700k.

You can't choose dungeons in randoms (it's been a long time since ETOS poped up for me).
Reapeat bonus is too small to bother atm, maybe farming non random, but some efficient dungeon will make sense.

I've invested on my alts so much time, all for nothing now

pitshade said:

https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/neverwinter/news/detail/10936423

Thanks for the link.

pitshade · July 2018

I have 11 characters that ran RED under the old rules, so my refining income is way down. The 100k isn't an issue between farming the occasional t3 and hour long hunt sessions in new mod.

10 to 15 pcs of epic salvage a day will get you 100k, with no other source of income.

plasticbat · July 2018

robai#6206 said:

reg1981 said:
Random intermediate queue is profitable however you can only refine your 100k a day.

If your bonuses and salvage are good you can make 10k-15k per repeat run in the Intermediate queue. That's not bad for 8 min VT's or 5 min ETOS. I farmed this queue yesterday on my GF and I was able to get my weeks 700k.
You can't choose dungeons in randoms (it's been a long time since ETOS poped up for me).
Reapeat bonus is too small to bother atm, maybe farming non random, but some efficient dungeon will make sense.

I've invested on my alts so much time, all for nothing now
pitshade said:

https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/neverwinter/news/detail/10936423
Thanks for the link.

You will still need your alt for AD bonus reason.
With AD bonus, you need to earn 66666 AD to reach 100K refinement cap.
Playing only one character will exhaust your AD bonus pool in no time.
You gain only about 3000 AD bonus per day per character.

greywynd · July 2018

plasticbat said:

You will still need your alt for AD bonus reason.
With AD bonus, you need to earn 66666 AD to reach 100K refinement cap.
Playing only one character will exhaust your AD bonus pool in no time.
You gain only about 3000 AD bonus per day per character.

Don't count on it. I've got 9 characters and ending up with a pile of rAD on each of them and their bonuses have hardly been dented.

pitshade · July 2018

Invoke bonus is 3,960/day.

plasticbat · July 2018

greywynd said:

plasticbat said:

You will still need your alt for AD bonus reason.
With AD bonus, you need to earn 66666 AD to reach 100K refinement cap.
Playing only one character will exhaust your AD bonus pool in no time.
You gain only about 3000 AD bonus per day per character.
Don't count on it. I've got 9 characters and ending up with a pile of rAD on each of them and their bonuses have hardly been dented.

It is hardly be dented because you have 9 characters. If you have used one character, will there be any dent to that one character? I think you proved that you need the alts.

namelesshero347 · July 2018

It's been a week since the changes went into effect. If you didn't notice till now, you probably don't play enough for the changes to matter to you.

greywynd · July 2018

plasticbat said:

It is hardly be dented because you have 9 characters. If you have used one character, will there be any dent to that one character? I think you proved that you need the alts.

Whichever character I play I don't expect them to have a bonus piled up. There isn't a lot of reason to pass salvage to an alt.

namelesshero347 · July 2018

If you do all the weeklies on an alt, it would consume much of the daily invoke RAD bonus for the week on the alt. Of course, if they are trash alts, then let the bonus RAD pile up and feed it some salvage every few weeks.

mynaam · July 2018

I have the oppisite problem in mod 14 it takes me 1hour to finish the weeks campaign and about 30 min per day to make the 100k so that means i am done for the week and have nothing else to do . Runing dungeons has no purpose and i find myself playing hours less per week.

flippy · July 2018

namelesshero347 said:
If you do all the weeklies on an alt, it would consume much of the daily invoke RAD bonus for the week on the alt. Of course, if they are trash alts, then let the bonus RAD pile up and feed it some salvage every few weeks.

interesting --- a stable of min level invoke alts

faredawg1 · July 2018

Its an offensive nerf. Ruined the playablility of the game. Only 1 toon matters now. All the time and money I put into my alts has been negated by the decisions of some faceless entity that has NO regard for my opinons, time or money. If I had the time, I used to be able to play for 8-12 hours and have plenty of stuff to do that brought value to my playing time. Now I just log on, run the randoms on my DC and log off. What a waste of a game i really enjoyed for 5 years. What a waste of my time and money for 5 years. A complete slap in the face.

Whoever made this decision, or agrees with it, I don't like you. Not one bit.

plasticbat · July 2018

namelesshero347 said:
If you do all the weeklies on an alt, it would consume much of the daily invoke RAD bonus for the week on the alt. Of course, if they are trash alts, then let the bonus RAD pile up and feed it some salvage every few weeks.

Not really. 4500 x 5 x 0.5 = 11250.
11250 / 3960 = 2.84 days worth of AD bonus.

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flippy · July 2018

ya know

he hasn't even noticed the AD refining limit yet

dis gonna get much more entertaining

empalas · July 2018

Had several alts at 70 and with new module ran through the opening part of Barovia to get the new gear for them. Then run AR and Red Wizards weeklies and run the leveling random with one of them and salvage. On my mains run the higher level randoms. I don't play many hours a week but so far this is getting me decent AD.

plasticbat · July 2018

greywynd said:

plasticbat said:

It is hardly be dented because you have 9 characters. If you have used one character, will there be any dent to that one character? I think you proved that you need the alts.
Whichever character I play I don't expect them to have a bonus piled up. There isn't a lot of reason to pass salvage to an alt.

I personally don't earn much rAD from conventional way (i.e. RQ). My rAD comes from weekly, salvage and XP rewards.
SInce I only open XP rewards during 2xRefining stone, they come in burst (consume 15K AD bonus a pop). Hence, I tried hard to maintain my level 70 toons in the striking range of 100K AD bonus but below 100K AD bonus.

Yes, that will take forever to refine them now but since I don't earn much regular rAD, it is okay for me (for now).

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cdnbison · July 2018

I haven't really noticed. I think I have a bit of a stash of rAD at the moment, but I did some housecleaning on some alts (goodbye, Titans Helm!). Overall, I'm ok with it. I'm hitting the limit, but not feeling like I *have* to swap toons and run random queues. I run a couple randoms, run some dungeons of my choosing, with the character of my choosing, and salvage most of what drops. It hasn't been a big deal. And then I can play the toon of my choice and do what I want to do, not what I feel I have to do...

greywynd · July 2018

namelesshero347 said:
If you do all the weeklies on an alt, it would consume much of the daily invoke RAD bonus for the week on the alt. Of course, if they are trash alts, then let the bonus RAD pile up and feed it some salvage every few weeks.

There's no point. All the invoke bonus does is get you to 100k faster.

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subsidal · July 2018

While I understand they did this to stop people with endless armies of alts from farming endless AD and that is a good idea. It goes too far in the other direction.
I agree with the daily account cap per day. But I cant agree with the bonus being only once per account. It just punishes people that play more than one character per day. The bonus should have been made like 2 or 3 times per day, per account, regardless of toon. So if you played more than one character, you wouldnt be losing anything for it.

regenerde · July 2018

The only change here is that the "endless armies of alts" players have moved from running one account with several characters to several accounts with one character, and that they can make more AD with less alts now.

I've seen whole groups of similar characters with Vistani Rewards equiped running SHE's non-stop in some areas... and while regular players upgrade their equipment after a while, the outfit on those characters stay the same.
Which means, that those accounts are only being used for generating AD.

The whole AD refining restriction thing will end up as another change, that's only hindering regular players more then those players at which it was aimed at.
Not to mention that AD sellers are probably having the time of their life right now...

Daily AD from Random is 1/acc now? Really?

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