Twisted primary weapon

chroniclematt · July 2016

OK bear with me for a moment guys and see if you all can't explain something that's really been nagging me, I guess I'm just not understanding something. I just got my first twisted primary weapon yesterday. I used to have the elemental fire set. Now I have the twisted primary and still don the elemental fire shield. My elemental fire sword was epic status, and I have been saving up refinement stones for a few weeks so when I dumped the EFS into my new twisted weapon it also turned epic, level 45 to be exact. Now..as far as stats go, the damage was better, my power was better, my crit was better, the only thing I lost was 500 defense and armor pen. Now - I USED to do around 20k dmg per swing, 35k+ with crits (regular attack), now with this new (seemingly improved) weapon, my attacks are doing 8k, with crits barely reaching 12k. What the hell is going on? Can someone explain this? I'm not sure if it's the armor pen, because to compensate for the armor pen loss I unlocked a boon an hour later that gave me +400 to it, then equipped a rank 8 dark enchantment on my augment companion's ring slot. That should have more than made up for that loss. The set bonus for the EFS was only + to hp and def. Someone please share their thoughts on the matter because doing less than half damage than I used to sucks so bad, it takes forever to kill things now, and what's worse is I can't get my old setup back.

muckingfuppet · July 2016

your not the only one that's getting this it's happening to me too

zman81420 · July 2016

You aren't utilizing the twisted set bonus for starters.

zman81420 · July 2016

Along with you've now lost the Elemental Fire set bonus now that the set is split between the two. Asides from a group with stronghold weapons, individually twisted are Bis for DPS classes.

chroniclematt · July 2016

Ok, let me clarify this with all of you. I'm not an idiot. I know I'm no longer getting the elemental fire set bonus. Big whoop, I'm not getting the extra 1500 hp and 300 to defense or whatever. Those two stats should not make me go from doing 30-40k lunging strikes down to 9k. Yes. That's how badly this new weapon change has affected my character. Yes, I realize I don't have a set bonus for my weapon combinations, that should not take the BASE damage I was doing and make it less. Now if the tool tip for the elemental fire set was something like (this set bonus gives +X% to your weapon damage and encounter powers) then I wouldn't even be posting on the forum. I've exhausted all options first before coming here. Yes I supplemented the armor penetration loss from the primary weapon, and now it's even higher because I just unlocked a boom, giving me another 400. The fact of the matter is, for some reason, set bonus or not, I do more damage with an ensorcelled longsword than this twisted weapon (without a set bonus). So either the weapon is bad, or the set bonus for the elemental fire is completely jacked up. All I want is my normal damage back. I went from being able to do the ice wind dale campaign without a second breath, to it taking hours because my damage is so low. I just wanted to see if anyone else here has had this experience and knows what it is, or if anyone had any ideas or clues to why it is the way it is. If someone comments that (oh yeah for some reason having a set bonus gives you a ridiculous amount of dmg boost even though the tool tip says it only gives you hp and defense) then I would be fine with that (even though it makes no sense whatsoever. I just want some answers as to why my character went from soloing epic dungeons (up until the boss fights) from not being able to kill a single normal enemy in them.

muckingfuppet · July 2016

iv had the same happen to me

armadeonx · July 2016

I'm not sure how you lost armor pen, I don't believe that was one of it's stats - but for the record can you say what your current Resistance Ignored is?

It's possible that the Artifact Power on your old weapon was better than whatever default it's left you with at the moment - you may need to buy cubes until you get the right one.

Also, before swapping over did you compare the stats in the collections window? I've noticed that sometimes the difference between elemental & the new sets is meh on the main-hand but a lot better on the offhand.

Lastly, I confess to being ignorant on GF skills as it's one of the 2 classes I don't have but I would ask; do you get a damage buff from any of your skills based on your Damage Reduction? Because you've also just lost about 2k defence.

Edit: I had a read-up on GF skills and ITF does indeed increase DPS based on your damage resistance. You've just lost 5% DR and as such you've decreased your DPS by whatever percentage it normally multiplies by.

chroniclematt · July 2016

armadeonx said:
I'm not sure how you lost armor pen, I don't believe that was one of it's stats - but for the record can you say what your current Resistance Ignored is?

It's possible that the Artifact Power on your old weapon was better than whatever default it's left you with at the moment - you may need to buy cubes until you get the right one.

Also, before swapping over did you compare the stats in the collections window? I've noticed that sometimes the difference between elemental & the new sets is meh on the main-hand but a lot better on the offhand.

Lastly, I confess to being ignorant on GF skills as it's one of the 2 classes I don't have but I would ask; do you get a damage buff from any of your skills based on your Damage Reduction? Because you've also just lost about 2k defence.

Edit: I had a read-up on GF skills and ITF does indeed increase DPS based on your damage resistance. You've just lost 5% DR and as such you've decreased your DPS by whatever percentage it normally multiplies by.

Hey Armadeonx,
I appreciate you taking the time to check up on that for me. It occured to me that the decrease in losing the 300 or so defense would cause the buff from ITF to decrease slightly, but I have a hard time believing that it would make a considerable difference such as causing my other encounter powers to be lowered 300%. My armor penetration before the switch was 28.7%, my current armor pen is 30.4% with the one twisted primary and the elem fire shield. As far as the artifact powers, I had the crushing wave increases healing one on my elemental fire longsword before I equipped the twisted, and the twisted came with the exact same one, so there's no difference there. I'm not trying to sit here and rag on what anyone is suggesting at all. I really appreciate you guys giving me your input, because together we can figure this out - even if it takes one of the coders to come explain it to me lol. I just want you all to know that I didn't just notice the change, and immediately post it on the forum. I did tests, a lot of tests, and ive went over with a fine toothed comb on my slotted gems, equipment stats, skills and my powers, etc. I just want to let someone know that a.) This just happened, and i'm not happy, b.) I wanted to know if it happened to anyone else, and c.) If it has been happening to more than just me, it needs to be fixed.
Thanks to you all who have replied or took the time out of your day to research this or think on it for me. You guys rock.

thedramacus · July 2016

Probably not the answer, and probably checked, but your preswitch numbers wernt near a pally or some other class. Not sure exacts but dont pallys buff anyone near them with 25% of thier power. My gut instint was the fray thing, but you checked all that, and I cant think of anything else not mentioned.

armadeonx · July 2016

No probs matt, I do like a good puzzle

I think you actually lost closer to 1000 defence but that's still just 2.5% DR - I'm just wondering if there's a way to temporarily increase your DR for testing - maybe with the help of a DC..?

satniteeduardo · July 2016

What artifact power did you have activated and which do you have activated now?

Maybe you used to have an artifact power activated that matched the attack you are doing.

Also (and please forgive me if this is a derrrr type question but lets leave not stone unturned) do you still have the same weapon enchant.

chroniclematt · July 2016

armadeonx said:
No probs matt, I do like a good puzzle

I think you actually lost closer to 1000 defence but that's still just 2.5% DR - I'm just wondering if there's a way to temporarily increase your DR for testing - maybe with the help of a DC..?

I'll do further testing if I can. My guild is pretty small and we just started out a couple of months ago (When I started playing). It's just me and my wife at the moment, and she's a TR lol. We play every single day, and we love the game. Ive always played games like this, and have coded a few myself towards the end of high school and also in college. Mainly MUD's, but the functions work just the same. I'll try to friend a DC and tool around with higher ranked enchantments (if I can level them up in a timely manner), as well as switching artifacts or that sort of thing. At any rate, I think I'm decided upon remaking him into what he's supposed to be anyhow, a pure tank. Either a tac build or just a pure hardy iron vanguard (you can't touch me) beast. Quite a shame, I could've used the twisted ichor on my GWF

satniteeduardo said:
What artifact power did you have activated and which do you have activated now?

Maybe you used to have an artifact power activated that matched the attack you are doing.

Also (and please forgive me if this is a derrrr type question but lets leave not stone unturned) do you still have the same weapon enchant.

Thanks for the inquiry! I've always had the throne of the dwarven gods as my primary artifact, and only use it during DHE and in boss fights.

As far as the enchantment slot, yes I slotted it immediately after I equipped the twisted weapon, lesser vorpal - since I was a DPS build. My DPS build for the GF wasn't too bad, I was hitting around 400-500k lunging strikes when I Knight's Challenged a boss, tossed in ITF and marked them. I liked it. Strong enough defensively with 10k DEF for survivability (and with good timing, the 80% dmg reduction by throwing my shield up in AOE attacks), and strong enough DPS to help my wife when we were dungeoning together.

zman81420 · July 2016

Glad I hit a sore spot. What would I know about a GF...?

neverburnaclown · July 2016

Just a question:

are you swinging against the same bad guy as you swung against before? Or are you say comparing swings against enemies running around in non epic dungeons vs the scorpions in lostmauth.

The reason i ask is because damage resistance for enemies is different In different places. And your resistance ignored is shockingly low for a dps build (if that's still your build?). Means you won't do as much damage to bad guys if their damage resistance is 60% (boss types) and your resistance ignored is half that (the thirty percent you stated).

I have a dc and pally and a gf if you would like to test if they were buffed stats prior. You can probably figure out my gamertag...

luigipr31 · July 2016

HI! You say they both were epic (Blue) but what level where each? Maybe your elemental was higher level than the twisted.

armadeonx · July 2016

Going back to zman's point, if you can draw more hits than you give (through threat gen) then the set bonus will go into defence rather than power - this will boost up your ITF

satniteeduardo · August 2016

chroniclematt said:

Thanks for the inquiry! I've always had the throne of the dwarven gods as my primary artifact, and only use it during DHE and in boss fights.

As far as the enchantment slot, yes I slotted it immediately after I equipped the twisted weapon, lesser vorpal - since I was a DPS build. My DPS build for the GF wasn't too bad, I was hitting around 400-500k lunging strikes when I Knight's Challenged a boss, tossed in ITF and marked them. I liked it. Strong enough defensively with 10k DEF for survivability (and with good timing, the 80% dmg reduction by throwing my shield up in AOE attacks), and strong enough DPS to help my wife when we were dungeoning together.

I don't mean artifact, I mean artifact power. Go to your main hand and offhand weapon and go down to "manage artifact power".

Twisted primary weapon

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