Demogorgon KICK ABILITY

doublea2015 · January 2016

First off I would like to say I am so proud of you guys, trying to fix 1 thing and causing another problem, so you remove the ability to kick from demogorgon because people where abusing this lol, well im asking for you guys to turn this back on so people can boot the AFKers who have now plagued Demogorgon, some people deserved to be kicked ya know, so your point of tunring the kick feature off is kind of pointless this far in the game....

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silverkelt · January 2016

ya, it wasnt a good decision in the end.. already afk was a think if no gold first round.. now it will just be everyones habit.. no fear of reprisal at all.

what they shouldve done was just remove kicking after demogorgon dies..

no REASON to have kicking at that point.

martianmnhunter · January 2016

+1 to this, up until the patch notes I didn't even know there was a problem with kicking, but removing vote should be reverted since afkers are more common than random vote kicks.

So you queue for a demo and someone afk at the start or mid run:
1. You have to wait for unknown period of time.
2. You can leave and get 30min penalty.

strumslinger · January 2016

This change was implemented due to a previous thread, which received quite a response for the kicking problems in Demogorgon.

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asterotg · January 2016

Now we have the same problem in EDemo, we have had before in CTA. I did some CTA runs with my main and alts. I dont mind, that sometimes my 2.4k alt did 80% of the dmg, tanked, healed etc most of the fight, bc ppl want the RAD on their low gear alts, but I would love to kick this ppl who did 0 dmg, heal, dmg taken etc. after the fight is over.

You cant enter premade and you cant kick AFK players, so we either have to sync que or work for the guy entering the dungeon and going for a smoke, hoping for a ring, thanks to our work.

sorce · January 2016

strumslinger said:
This change was implemented due to a previous thread, which received quite a response for the kicking problems in Demogorgon.

Pretty sure the issue that people were screaming about was that after you killed Demo, there was a gap where you could be kicked and therefore not get any rewards. That's what we wanted removed. Not the ability to kick BEFORE the raid is completed. We still need the ability to kick.

rickcase276 · January 2016

Could be, depending on how they code it, that to remove the ability to kick in that gap in it, that they had to remove the ability in all the 3rd phase of EDemo. That would be a good reason, if there is one.

namelesshero347 · January 2016

metalldjt said:

strumslinger said:

B-but it wasn't a problem... think about it ,it's a party of 4 people that vote for 1 guy to be kicked out, if majority wins, wins.
Unless a change was made, two votes is considered a majority. All you need is the kick initiator and one other person to vote yes.
rickcase276 said:
Could be, depending on how they code it, that to remove the ability to kick in that gap in it, that they had to remove the ability in all the 3rd phase of EDemo. That would be a good reason, if there is one.
I think so. Removing the kick ability after the fight won't be effective. People will just kick before the fight is over.

regenerde · January 2016

Why not keep it simple?
-> Premade groups can vote kick as much as they like.
-> Queue groups have to take what they get, but if someone doesn't participate in the action, an "automated response" should kick in, and he should get replaced directly.

jugger71 · January 2016

No. No kick option at all. Ever. We have proven time and time again we are not mature enough to use legit nor respectfully.

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zibadawa · January 2016

defiantone99 said:
At this point it is evident NW is not the game for raids when the queue systems do not exist for full parties. The players are too immature and leave or go AFK for no other reason than they may not get gold. They kick just cuz they do not want a non-guildie to get a reward. We saw the same thing with kicking and leaving in PVP.

Yeah, it's as if they think people would approach a world-threatening crisis without an advanced plan, coordination, and with people they know they can entrust their safety to.

Nope, it totally makes sense that people just randomly show up and band together to save the day all impromptu-like.

gambit626 · January 2016

Personally I believe it is a problem not being able to kick people for the entire EDemo.

I tried to do 4 E demo runs today:
First 2 AFKers and newbie bugged out phase 2
Second 3 AFKers and got no reward
Third 2 AFKers and got bronze
Forth 4 AFKers and left taking the 30 min pen because I just couldn't take it anymore.

This is ridiculous. I understand that kicking people right before reward was given is a problem, and I want to say thank you for trying to fix it.

But seriously as of right now I feel like I should bring a book when trying to run EDemo as it probably will end up with me sitting by the fire for 20 min waiting for it to be over.

Either Make it so that you can kick people up until the 3rd phase and then remove the ability, or remove the leave penalty for EDemo specifically.

zibadawa · January 2016

gambit626#5605 said:
Personally I believe it is a problem not being able to kick people for the entire EDemo.

I tried to do 4 E demo runs today:
First 2 AFKers and newbie bugged out phase 2
Second 3 AFKers and got no reward
Third 2 AFKers and got bronze
Forth 4 AFKers and left taking the 30 min pen because I just couldn't take it anymore.

This is ridiculous. I understand that kicking people right before reward was given is a problem, and I want to say thank you for trying to fix it.

But seriously as of right now I feel like I should bring a book when trying to run EDemo as it probably will end up with me sitting by the fire for 20 min waiting for it to be over.

Either Make it so that you can kick people up until the 3rd phase and then remove the ability, or remove the leave penalty for EDemo specifically.

Bugging out of phase 2 is something you can prevent with your own actions. Simply watch the entire cut scene between stage 1 and stage 2. Just notice when the timer for phase one has a few seconds left and take your hands off the keyboard and mouse and wait it out. Nobody can enter until everyone finishes watching the cut scene, and the bug only happens when someone enters before the cut scene would have finished.

asterotg · January 2016

gambit626#5605 said:
Personally I believe it is a problem not being able to kick people for the entire EDemo.

I tried to do 4 E demo runs today:
First 2 AFKers and newbie bugged out phase 2
Second 3 AFKers and got no reward
Third 2 AFKers and got bronze
Forth 4 AFKers and left taking the 30 min pen because I just couldn't take it anymore.

This is ridiculous. I understand that kicking people right before reward was given is a problem, and I want to say thank you for trying to fix it.

But seriously as of right now I feel like I should bring a book when trying to run EDemo as it probably will end up with me sitting by the fire for 20 min waiting for it to be over.

Either Make it so that you can kick people up until the 3rd phase and then remove the ability, or remove the leave penalty for EDemo specifically.

I am so happy, that I have 5 viable characters, so I can leave this kind of runs. They should at last transfer the mechanics from PvP, that you can leave without penalty, if 2 players left before. 'Best' run I had so far was 3-5 leavers and the rest AFK, exept one poor soul and me, trying to get bronze.

I am sure all GWFs tanking Demo on the other side of the map, standing in the only well, all the time, are very happy about this changes.

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gambit626 · January 2016

zibadawa said:

gambit626#5605 said:
Personally I believe it is a problem not being able to kick people for the entire EDemo.

I tried to do 4 E demo runs today:
First 2 AFKers and newbie bugged out phase 2
Second 3 AFKers and got no reward
Third 2 AFKers and got bronze
Forth 4 AFKers and left taking the 30 min pen because I just couldn't take it anymore.

This is ridiculous. I understand that kicking people right before reward was given is a problem, and I want to say thank you for trying to fix it.

But seriously as of right now I feel like I should bring a book when trying to run EDemo as it probably will end up with me sitting by the fire for 20 min waiting for it to be over.

Either Make it so that you can kick people up until the 3rd phase and then remove the ability, or remove the leave penalty for EDemo specifically.
Bugging out of phase 2 is something you can prevent with your own actions. Simply watch the entire cut scene between stage 1 and stage 2. Just notice when the timer for phase one has a few seconds left and take your hands off the keyboard and mouse and wait it out. Nobody can enter until everyone finishes watching the cut scene, and the bug only happens when someone enters before the cut scene would have finished.

Ahh! Ok Thx for this. I am kinda a newb at EDemo and didn't realize that that was the cause. I will defiantly be doing this from now on.

santralafax · January 2016

asterotg said:
Now we have the same problem in EDemo, we have had before in CTA. I did some CTA runs with my main and alts. I dont mind, that sometimes my 2.4k alt did 80% of the dmg, tanked, healed etc most of the fight, bc ppl want the RAD on their low gear alts, but I would love to kick this ppl who did 0 dmg, heal, dmg taken etc. after the fight is over.

You cant enter premade and you cant kick AFK players, so we either have to sync que or work for the guy entering the dungeon and going for a smoke, hoping for a ring, thanks to our work.

Why do you want to kick players in CTA? So they can't get away with a rank 3 bauble?? Those thieves!

santralafax · January 2016

gambit626#5605 said:

Either Make it so that you can kick people up until the 3rd phase and then remove the ability, or remove the leave penalty for EDemo specifically.

If you kick them in EDemo, there is no replacement. So you really aren't any better off.

zibadawa · January 2016

asterotg said:
Now we have the same problem in EDemo, we have had before in CTA. I did some CTA runs with my main and alts. I dont mind, that sometimes my 2.4k alt did 80% of the dmg, tanked, healed etc most of the fight, bc ppl want the RAD on their low gear alts, but I would love to kick this ppl who did 0 dmg, heal, dmg taken etc. after the fight is over.

You cant enter premade and you cant kick AFK players, so we either have to sync que or work for the guy entering the dungeon and going for a smoke, hoping for a ring, thanks to our work.

I'd much rather people just ride my coattails when I'm doing a CTA on my main and have them do nothing at all. More likely than not I'm way more powerful than everyone else and will be doing 80% or more of the damage, anyway. If they do anything at all it's just going to pull mobs away from me and slow everything down.

If you're not a decently powerful level 70 in a CTA, check to see if the party has one. If it does, just enjoy the ride and stop HAMSTER him up.

asterotg · January 2016

santralafax said:

Why do you want to kick players in CTA? So they can't get away with a rank 3 bauble?? Those thieves!

Bc I dont run this just with 3k+ chars, but with lower IL alts, to get the RAD and it takes a lot longer, if just 2 or 3 ppl are fighting, while the rest waits for them to do the work. How comes, that ppl think, that it is ok, to go into group content and do nothing. I dont mind doing most of the work, even with a low geared alt, but ppl scould at last put in some effort.

Same goes for EDemo. I had quite a few runs, where the first round was ranked silver and some ppl left and others went AFK. We did get gold in the 2nd phase with 4 ppl and bronze in the 3rd.

I know many ppl, that just do full premade runs, bc they dont want to waste their time with PuGs, that contribute next to nothing and go AFK, if the rest does not carry them to triple gold. We had one guy who opened all green portals in the 1st phase and said, when asked to stop, that he is an individualist and he does, whatever he likes.

regenerde · January 2016

Just a thought, buy maybe people see bots running around in masses, and think that it is o.k. to let script do the work for them in dungeons/skirmishes too, since there is so little done against them.
AD sellers have pratically taken over PE.
And if you look in the right places, you can still find bot hives doing their work.

Anyway, as mentioned before, if someone doesn't participate in a meaningfull way in the action, he shouldn't get any reward, and that character should get replaced.
But for that, they would have to adjust the reward system to better recognize and reward the contribution of tanks and healers first.

urlord283 · January 2016

This is just like the dragon queen

Almost no good solution

Kick will be abused and no kick will be abused

A timeout may help

But no "low hanging fruit" for this issue

It is people

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namelesshero347 · January 2016

asterotg said:
We had one guy who opened all green portals in the 1st phase and said, when asked to stop, that he is an individualist and he does, whatever he likes.

When these people do their own thing and cost the group gold, then I do my own thing and bail.

asterotg · January 2016

namelesshero347 said:

When these people do their own thing and cost the group gold, then I do my own thing and bail.

I did the same, after I said 'Good luck with your individualism getting no reward. Next time read a guide, ask friends or heed advice'.

santralafax · January 2016

urlord283 said:
This is just like the dragon queen

Almost no good solution

Kick will be abused and no kick will be abused

I was one of the people angry at kick abuse, and something should be done to keep people from kicking for hellafun. But I am definitely feeling your point.

If you kick the AFKers there are no replacements, so you are no better off. On the flipside, it probably draws in more AFKers since they know they can't be kicked. If they could keep kicking from the point of Demogorgon dying on, that would solve a big chunk of it.

Demogorgon KICK ABILITY

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