Correct Use of Careful Attack

jhpnw · December 2015

I respected to Pathfinder for PVP and now have CA and Hunters team work could some one explain just what these 2 do and the correct way to use them in pvp I use CA in dragon Runs and it seems to make every ones damage increase. Does CA apply damage or is a buff so my Hunters team work will make it crit more and therefore root more with trapper cunning???

jhp
thanks for input

statzkamikatze · December 2015

Cant say much about Hunter's Teamwork

CA:
max level lasts around 30 sec
It does Damage every 1.5 seconds per player hitting the mob
So in solo play its just for show - with 5 ppl it gets better - in tiamat it really does hurt
Interesting is the crit / Lostmauth mechanism
If the first hit is a crit, all other hits every 1.5 secs will be crits too - and ALL hits will pro lostmauth!

Only the last applying hit does count for crit/noncrit calculation
So at the start of a fight apply it as many times as it takes to crit - then let it run for 30sec
Repeat

Act test on a training dummy
Applied CA once, then shoot with hunters teamwork nonstop
xx:xx:21 = fist hit of CA
xx:xx:49 = last hit of CA
So around 28 sec duration (or 30 if you count the stance switch and time till i first hit)
CA Hits done = 23
LM Procs = 24 (23+1 Applying CA - the applying usually doesnt do damage i think, but you'll proc LM once)
So the rate even seems to be a bit faster then 1.5 sec - if i count 30 sec + 1 more hit for the start time it might be 1.25 acutally)
Cant post the image link to the ACT graphs because im not around for long enough -.-

soonergm · February 2016

I would like to know if putting points in to scoundrel training will increase all the damage from careful attack by 9%.

aaramis75 · February 2016

soonergm said:
I would like to know if putting points in to scoundrel training will increase all the damage from careful attack by 9%.

In theory, it *should*.
Testing it, on the other hand, could be quite tricky - if anyone regularly runs ACT, try it on a demonic HE boss. That should trigger it, since someone else usually has aggro.

soonergm · February 2016

I wish i could test it myself, but I'm on xbox.

I think Scoundrel Training is an overlooked feat because:

1. In previous mods, trappers especially, had all kinds of aggro. But now other builds generally get the aggro.

2. 9% boost to at-wills... sounds completely useless. However, when you look at how much damage careful attack is capable of in certain situations, that 9% could be very significant.

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lirithiel · February 2016

arcofortep12 said:

soonergm said:
I wish i could test it myself, but I'm on xbox.

I think Scoundrel Training is an overlooked feat because:

1. In previous mods, trappers especially, had all kinds of aggro. But now other builds generally get the aggro.

2. 9% boost to at-wills... sounds completely useless. However, when you look at how much damage careful attack is capable of in certain situations, that 9% could be very significant.
Useless it's not. It's like having 1 Rank more. If one build his toon around At-Will boosting it from equipment, etc. it should be ok, otherwise I prefer other feats. It's about choices, at least we have the opportunity to choose.
You can have easily 85% Flank in a party settings. I saw a GFW with 99% in a Tuern run.

Obviously for Archers and Combat HRs that use their at-wills a lot more, Scoundrel Training is a good feat, but for Trapper it would be sub-par. It was stated a few Mods back that 3/3 Scoundrel Training was better than 3/3 Disciple of Dexterity but I never tested it myself to prove or disprove that theory.

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soonergm · February 2016

@arcofortep12 what do you mean by 85% flank?

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wdj40 · February 2016

Best time to use Careful Attack is after a couple of rotations during battle. Try to time it so you have 2 stacks of Melee AtoS up, Deft Strike, Agile Combatant and 3-6 procs of Companions Gift... Then don't re-apply it until it has expired. Then hit it with Gushing Wound for large damage and then a heavy root attack for huge damage

It is best used on enemies with high HP really, it really messes with stacks of AotS... I can post some videos to show you what I mean if you like, but I am on Xbox not PC.

soonergm · February 2016

Ok i thought so but i wasnt sure how that relates to our heroic feats selection

wdj40 · February 2016

soonergm said:
Ok i thought so but i wasnt sure how that relates to our heroic feats selection

I`m not really sure I do not have the 3 points in Scoundrel Training, I never really have on any build I have done. The enemy has to be "not targeting" you for the At-Will to do 9% more damage. I think if I was a Human Class then I would put the extra 3 points in there, as it is though I do not have a spare 3 points as I prefer the Heroic Feats I already have points in.

soonergm · February 2016

That last comment from me was directed at arcotep. For some reason when i try to quote from my phone it just says "null"

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Correct Use of Careful Attack

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