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bashteros1234bashteros1234 Member Posts: 46 Arc User
We just finished sh rank 6.

What I really don't understand is the logic behind behind the availability of df armor, sh artifact weapon, pvp overload enchantments.

For example dragonflight armor. Many people of our small guild are working adults, we would be willing to spend some zen/cash to open dragonflight lockboxes for the fangs (that was one of your intents cryptic, casual players of small guilds have to buy keys, wasn't it?). But instead of making the armor available at a lower rank marketplace, they put it into marketplace rank 4 - that was too far away for small guilds, we all will skip df armor and will go for dusk or drow armor in mod 8 => you've lost money. Exactly the same will happen to the SH artifact weapons.

=> armor, weapons, pvp overload enchantments - you want all people to have/buy and wear them => put them in lower rank buildings
=> large boon improvements, put them in higher rank guilds - that is the carrot for pvp players, whale guilds, big spenders, ...

Perhaps you overestimated the amount of players because your numbers showed leadership toons, bots, lost players ... as active players. It's no shame to make a mistake in gathering your numbers, but it's a mistake to stubbornly hold on to your numbers.

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  • theoddis1theoddis1 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 353 Arc User
    I am sure it was never their intent to have anyones strongholds maxed in one mod they are supposed to be a lon term investment
    the dragonflight gear is good but the upgrade from Elven gear to DF is minor at best you are talking a handful of stats and maybe 1k hp per peice so its not gonna be this big massive upgrade

    also from what i understand from what i have read the new mod is going to give you new ways to get fangs
  • kacsaneverkacsanever Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 167 Arc User
    190 days min to max out GH - no workaround for the time gate. As far as my math did not cheat me it is more than 6 month. Enough time gate to not max out SH in one mod if it had been the goal.

    It is not the fang, it is the structures/GH construction requirement what is extreme. This is what OP wrote and is right.

  • theoddis1theoddis1 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 353 Arc User
    regardless.... not having DF armor is not going to be a game changer the elven is still good like I said its a very minor upgrade to the elven the strongholds were made to be upgraded through the next couple of mods not just this one and none fo the current content is undoable without a good stonghold with boons and DF armor
  • kacsaneverkacsanever Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 167 Arc User
    Correct, but even so the OP is right :)
  • suicidalgodotsuicidalgodot Member Posts: 2,465 Arc User
    I suppose the people with competence in in-game economy all got flushed out last year...
  • bashteros1234bashteros1234 Member Posts: 46 Arc User
    Cryptic is always free to do what they want - but their holy crusade against small guilds and their focus on large guilds is single minded and probably makes them loose profit. It would be interesting to know their strategy and on what numbers they base it.
    - Is group pressure in large guilds so high Cryptic earns much more money with large guilds (>100 active players) than with 10 active small guilds (10-20 active players)?
    - Do their numbers exclude all small inactive, dead guilds and small personal "bag-space" guilds - or do they look at simple reports unaware of the guild structures?
    - What is their algorithm to detect active players (not leadership, pray, influence farm chars)?
    - Are they afraid of performance problems with many small guilds doing HEs, dragonflights, ...?
    I'm still searching for reasons to exclude a large playerbase from things like df armor in mod 7, sh armor, mastercrafting, ... - even accepting a profit loss.
  • fdsakhfduewhfiuffdsakhfduewhfiuf Member Posts: 604 Arc User
    theoddis1 said:

    regardless.... not having DF armor is not going to be a game changer the elven is still good like I said its a very minor upgrade to the elven the strongholds were made to be upgraded through the next couple of mods not just this one and none fo the current content is undoable without a good stonghold with boons and DF armor

    Exactly. But since it is only such a minor upgrade it is even harder to understand why it was put behind such a big wall.
  • oliboypholiboyph Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 627 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    Isn't that the answer to all the problem of small guilds? If you're too small to get SH armor, new under dark gear is the answer. SH rewards are for people to come together and cooperate on a massive scale. If that's not for you, then now you have another option.

    Honestly you can't expect to play the game and get EVERYTHING. What mmorp out there will give you every possible reward in the game without giving you a challenge to overcome? Some of us go through games for years without even getting a glimpse of legendary gears that will trump every other gear by a mile. You have to be happy that at least here you have options.
    "As the good archmage often admonishes me, I ought not to let my mind wander, as it's too small to go off by itself." -Danilo Thann[/quote]
  • bashteros1234bashteros1234 Member Posts: 46 Arc User
    oliboyph said:

    ...

    Probably you are right, at the moment there is so little to do - done all t1 and t2 dungeons so many times - that I can only see the problems in SH and the gating. Hopefully the next mods bring enough to do, so that SH was only a temporary thing to keep us occupied during 1 mod, to drain certain people of their wealth and can be happily ignored in the future.
  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,470 Arc User
    IMO, the value of SH should not be focused on the Armour only. Again, IMO, the biggest value of SH is the boons.
    *** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
  • silverkeltsilverkelt Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,235 Arc User
    I will agree with pasticbat here.. armors are a small side benefit.. some classes its not even worth getting or its mix/match only.

    boons are worth way more.. its the reason to grind and donate..

    I will say, as many others said, its really grindy. and kind of boring in terms of what they require to give back. How are we supposed to both grind for AD, grind for new boons and grind for strongholds.. Its too much.

    WHich again why I was opposed to leadership removal x 10000. But whatever, some of you think we should be in game 300 hours a week apparently.

  • theoddis1theoddis1 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 353 Arc User

    theoddis1 said:

    regardless.... not having DF armor is not going to be a game changer the elven is still good like I said its a very minor upgrade to the elven the strongholds were made to be upgraded through the next couple of mods not just this one and none fo the current content is undoable without a good stonghold with boons and DF armor

    Exactly. But since it is only such a minor upgrade it is even harder to understand why it was put behind such a big wall.
    because like I have said in previous posts strongholds was never meant to be a 1 module thing it was supposed to be a continuous thing throughout the next couple mods

    I mean dont get me wrong I agree its tough on smaller guilds and kinda mking it to where smaller guilds are losing players to larger guilds but it was never meant to be a one mod deal
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