All you need a gwf with guarded assault and some briartwine, a good healer and a few more for flavor. Just saw a group take lostmauth then the guild dragons down quick.
Guess ill work on my rogue....nope I'm making a gwf.
klangeddinMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 882Arc User
edited October 2015
But that would make no sense with the topic as the GF is a tank, and if he's needed he's not obsolete. Then he said gwf twice. I think he translated guarded assault wrong from something else GWFs have.
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plasticbatMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 12,430Arc User
All you need a gwf with guarded assault and some briartwine, a good healer and a few more for flavor. Just saw a group take lostmauth then the guild dragons down quick.
Guess ill work on my rogue....nope I'm making a gwf.
1. GWF does not have guarded assault 2. which guild dragon? Doing blue and black without a tank is kind of commit suicide (or commit suicide many times to get a win).
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klangeddinMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 882Arc User
edited October 2015
That said, there are instances where tanks are not needed even with low gear score. With my OP healer (1700 gear score) I clear Valindra and Malabog multiple times without tanks even with the avarage being around 2000 or less. All pugs of course. In Lostmouth though, tanks can really help, if they know what they are doing on final boss. (the scorps could be done even with kiters).
The problem is that DPS is always needed and so it remains the king of roles. I wouldn't have a problem with this if dps was substitutable with tanking or healing, but apparently that's not the case.
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ironzerg79Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,942Arc User
But that would make no sense with the topic as the GF is a tank, and if he's needed he's not obsolete. Then he said gwf twice. I think he translated guarded assault wrong from something else GWFs have.
Yeah. I'm trying to figure this out, too...So he's saying all you need is a tank. Which is also making tanks obsolete?
silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
The game was virtually designed not to need tanks, however, GFS can buff dps and pallies make everything easy cake.
I would prefer to run with either then without.
The only time, tanks were needed is in t2s early in mod 6.. due to a broken HAMSTER mechanic that made everyone die in one hit. Which would be ok, if you could actually react to damage, which is how other mmos do it. Now any damage can easily be handled by a healer, as long as people dont stand in reds anyways.
The very core of this games design is counter to tanks, they have tried a couple times to make them relevant and they are more then they were in early part of the game. I truely think of all the thousands and thousands of dds I ran over time, in the early mods, maybe, maybe 3-4% of them had a gf.
The game was virtually designed not to need tanks, however, GFS can buff dps and pallies make everything easy cake.
I would prefer to run with either then without.
The only time, tanks were needed is in t2s early in mod 6.. due to a broken HAMSTER mechanic that made everyone die in one hit. Which would be ok, if you could actually react to damage, which is how other mmos do it. Now any damage can easily be handled by a healer, as long as people dont stand in reds anyways.
The very core of this games design is counter to tanks, they have tried a couple times to make them relevant and they are more then they were in early part of the game. I truely think of all the thousands and thousands of dds I ran over time, in the early mods, maybe, maybe 3-4% of them had a gf.
easy solution. get rid of/lower arpen on mob basic attacks and buff their damage by the same amount. that way tank armor means something. agro control means something. defense builds mean something. a few weeks back i replaced all the azures in my tanks defense slots with radiants. and i tank better. how does that make any sense...
right now mobs have so much arpen that stacking anything other than hp in defense slots is intentionally gimping yourself. and as we've seen anything other than a 1 shot can be nearly instantly healed.
but start 1shotting all the squishies with 100k hp and they'll be clamoring for more tanks.
If you're in a group with a 3k+ item level GWF with awesome enchants and artifacts, then you probably won't need a tank for say ECC cause of all the 'short-cuts'. Run it legit and you'll want a damned good tank.
Now, take an OP instead, problem solved.
But seriously, i have a decent tank (my old main) and there is high demand for her despite the fact she isn't fully geared with tier 2 stuff yet, because she takes aggro so everyone else can do their part. It's a boring job but someones got to do it and it works best. I have not yet completed an epic dungeon since mod 6 release legitimately without a tank or an op with us. EToS we actually did it with a tank and an OP in a pug grouping with no healer for boss. So yeah, tanks are needed.
If you're in a group with a 3k+ item level GWF with awesome enchants and artifacts, then you probably won't need a tank for say ECC cause of all the 'short-cuts'. Run it legit and you'll want a damned good tank.
Now, take an OP instead, problem solved.
But seriously, i have a decent tank (my old main) and there is high demand for her despite the fact she isn't fully geared with tier 2 stuff yet, because she takes aggro so everyone else can do their part. It's a boring job but someones got to do it and it works best. I have not yet completed an epic dungeon since mod 6 release legitimately without a tank or an op with us. EToS we actually did it with a tank and an OP in a pug grouping with no healer for boss. So yeah, tanks are needed.
are only gf's tanks in your oppinion? cuz my healadin "tanks" t1's just fine ( in fact i did all 3 this morning with 3 wizzies and a dps cleric). soon to test etos next.
and etos and ecc my tankadin can tank with no healer at all.
the fact is GF's need a defense buff. and bubble needs to be toned down.
I see a lot of GWF not very smart in the lostmauth fight. They spin the dragon around like a top, then wonder how everyone else went down at the same time.
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Never seen it on my GWF, only on my GF.
Then he said gwf twice. I think he translated guarded assault wrong from something else GWFs have.
2. which guild dragon? Doing blue and black without a tank is kind of commit suicide (or commit suicide many times to get a win).
With my OP healer (1700 gear score) I clear Valindra and Malabog multiple times without tanks even with the avarage being around 2000 or less. All pugs of course.
In Lostmouth though, tanks can really help, if they know what they are doing on final boss. (the scorps could be done even with kiters).
The problem is that DPS is always needed and so it remains the king of roles. I wouldn't have a problem with this if dps was substitutable with tanking or healing, but apparently that's not the case.
I would prefer to run with either then without.
The only time, tanks were needed is in t2s early in mod 6.. due to a broken HAMSTER mechanic that made everyone die in one hit. Which would be ok, if you could actually react to damage, which is how other mmos do it. Now any damage can easily be handled by a healer, as long as people dont stand in reds anyways.
The very core of this games design is counter to tanks, they have tried a couple times to make them relevant and they are more then they were in early part of the game. I truely think of all the thousands and thousands of dds I ran over time, in the early mods, maybe, maybe 3-4% of them had a gf.
right now mobs have so much arpen that stacking anything other than hp in defense slots is intentionally gimping yourself. and as we've seen anything other than a 1 shot can be nearly instantly healed.
but start 1shotting all the squishies with 100k hp and they'll be clamoring for more tanks.
If you're in a group with a 3k+ item level GWF with awesome enchants and artifacts, then you probably won't need a tank for say ECC cause of all the 'short-cuts'. Run it legit and you'll want a damned good tank.
Now, take an OP instead, problem solved.
But seriously, i have a decent tank (my old main) and there is high demand for her despite the fact she isn't fully geared with tier 2 stuff yet, because she takes aggro so everyone else can do their part. It's a boring job but someones got to do it and it works best. I have not yet completed an epic dungeon since mod 6 release legitimately without a tank or an op with us. EToS we actually did it with a tank and an OP in a pug grouping with no healer for boss. So yeah, tanks are needed.
and etos and ecc my tankadin can tank with no healer at all.
the fact is GF's need a defense buff. and bubble needs to be toned down.