SW - it's been a while Strum, hows' it going?

lyaise · October 2015

A while back Strum, you said you where going to level an SW to get an idea of the playing experience.

Since then.......nothing.

Are you stuck somewhere? Maybe getting insta killed by low level mobs? Struggling to take on more than one whilst you watch other classes sail through?

If so, give me a call in game and I will help you get out of Blacklake. However, if you're still in the opening scene then we're stuck as you have to solo that one I'm afraid.

Seriously - what is happening to this class after all your words?

arabatur · October 2015

The cynic in me will just paraphrase you . . . words.

lyaise · October 2015

arabatur said:
The cynic in me will just paraphrase you . . . words.

The playerbase has had words, lots of them, doesn't wash anymore
Looking at this....looking at that....and the outcome?

So pardon me for being cynical - I wonder what could possibly have brought that on?

tomiotar · October 2015

Well, when people ask them about how they are were going to solve the issue with the Tempation capstone and the new lifesteal mechanic they promised an special solution for SWs. That was on february during the preview phase of Mod6 and now we are on october getting close to Mod8, just to give you and idea about the place on the priority list the devs have the SWs problems. My suggestion for you is just stop playing that class completly, because the more you play the more

you will feel about the game.

ironzerg79 · October 2015

Strumslinger said on the Live Stream today that the Warlock is being looked at for Module 8.

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halaszsandor · October 2015

lol. Sw needs to be looked at indeed!

There you go:

-Fix Soul puppet wrath claw! Its doing too much dmg!

-Tone down TT! Its imba! Its doing too much dmg by multiple bosses. Lol 2nd boss. eCC 2nd boss!

ghoulz66 · October 2015

A single weapon master strike deals more damage than blades of vanquished armies over it's entire duration. Just to put that out there.

Striker vs Striker balance afterall.

lyaise · October 2015

ironzerg79 said:
Strumslinger said on the Live Stream today that the Warlock is being looked at for Module 8.

Hey you've replied - so thank you for this.

Can I just plead with the development team to put any changes on preview, give us time to try these - and please listen to the consensus feedback from the preview.
Let's do it right :-)

flowcyto · October 2015

I hope he chose to be a Hellbringer and either Tempt or Fury- for maximum soloing pain. No Borrowed Time healing; and no pet that does all of the heavy lifting.

tyria501 · October 2015

Too bad 'looked at' does not imply any actions will be taken. I would love to use mine again. However, I do not think anything will be done even in mod 8 and if it is I do not expect to see more than one valid build. It just might change from Damnation to something else.

tomiotar · October 2015

The last time the class was "looked at" they nerfed the fury capstone and TT xD

torontodave · October 2015

he was referring to an earlier stream in which the EP Rob sat down and said something like 'after the NCL pre-season we looked at the dmg output numbers and realized the SW was underperforming and we want to bring it up to other levels'

so SW will get looked at first when they do a class rebalancing. =D

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hadestemplar · October 2015

My biggest hope that devs visit SW forum, there is plenty of good and reasonable ideas how to improve SW without making OverPowered.

schietindebux · October 2015

Being depandant to one single daily that deals 30-50% oft your overall damage sounds not like a balanced class
The damage dealt with encounter is really poor
I would suggest to nerf TT to the same level of other classes
Doing so you will leave a completely useless class that could be deleted and by that you habe a new slot to Start a New class

ogarious · October 2015

schietindebux said:
Being depandant to one single daily that deals 30-50% oft your overall damage sounds not like a balanced class

The damage dealt with encounter is really poor

I would suggest to nerf TT to the same level of other classes

Doing so you will leave a completely useless class that could be deleted and by that you habe a new slot to Start a New class

With all the problems to the Scourge Warlock your suggestion is yet, another, nerf?

You should put in a application to be a developer for Neverwinter. You have the perfect line of thinking for this company. We're trying to make the class viable and useful, not nerf it further.

We've been waiting awhile to get some information on changes to the Warlock, and now they're saying we might hear something when Mod 8 gets release. So it's more of the same, "We're looking at it and will get back to you."

I think they just don't have the manpower or a plan on how to change the Warlock, that's why we're getting this smokescreen.

btfd · October 2015

ogarious said:

schietindebux said:
Being depandant to one single daily that deals 30-50% oft your overall damage sounds not like a balanced class

The damage dealt with encounter is really poor

I would suggest to nerf TT to the same level of other classes

Doing so you will leave a completely useless class that could be deleted and by that you habe a new slot to Start a New class
With all the problems to the Scourge Warlock your suggestion is yet, another, nerf?

I think you did not get the irony @ogarious

zeusom · October 2015

defiantone99 said:
They need to tone down or remove the MC set bonus before any buffs. It is an exploit due to the set being BOP and removed from the game. I can see the QQ now over it when the SW become kings of NW.

MC set does do nice damage melt to the first 1/3rd of a dragons and bosses HP bar, but nothing game breaking by any means. Its a rarity and perk of being a longtime warlock and having farmed it and held onto it. Nice to have things like this. Adds flavor and history to the game.

regenerde · October 2015

As start, adding more HP to the Soul Puppet could be done very easy, and it would really help.

And before the screaming about Soul Puppet damage under some isolated circumstances starts again, make a SW, send the Soul Puppet on a training puppet and watch the damage numbers...

Another thing that could help, adding some +Life Steal into the Temptation feats to get the "healing" part from SW back onto its own feet.

As allways, it would be nice to know what the Devs think about SW, and how they want to improve the situation, and when?

ogarious · October 2015

btfd said:

ogarious said:

schietindebux said:
Being depandant to one single daily that deals 30-50% oft your overall damage sounds not like a balanced class

The damage dealt with encounter is really poor

I would suggest to nerf TT to the same level of other classes

Doing so you will leave a completely useless class that could be deleted and by that you habe a new slot to Start a New class
With all the problems to the Scourge Warlock your suggestion is yet, another, nerf?
I think you did not get the irony @ogarious

I probably didn't, and for that I apologies, but as the SW is my main, and I stripped my CW of all it's best gear and put all my work in the SW since the class went live. I have no sense of humor for the way they've done things...

btfd · October 2015

SW is my main, too. Also I want to do things as legit as possible on my main which means for me no broken puppet or lol set (which also needs another rework imo. Keep in mind that its set bonus seems to be so good, that people use it although the stats [STR & DEX] aren't useful at all e.g. for CW and SW). Fury can do good dps but GWFs outdps you very fast. Puppet somehow depends on situation. I once had a run with @schietindebux with a full buff troup, his puppet did like 3-4 millions per hit. In another run with a comparable SW but not a buff troup the puppet did not hit that hard. Anyways it's sad that warlocks have to make use of such broken mechanics to keep up with other classes.

ogarious · October 2015

No kidding, there's a lot of sad things about the game that need to be addressed. Like I'm hearing that some 2 Paladin teams can basically duo any epic encounter in the game, and even the highest damage dealing monsters in game.

Imagine 2 Paladins being able to do Valindra with no problem. Ok, wait. Bad mental picture. Do not imagine 2 Paladins doing Valindra....

Jokes aside, it seems with every change made to the mechanics of the game there is some new loophole or exploit that people have to find to take advantage of. That's almost become the focus of the game for some people. And that's pretty depressing.

btfd · October 2015

ogarious said:
it seems with every change made to the mechanics of the game there is some new loophole or exploit that people have to find to take advantage of. That's almost become the focus of the game for some people. And that's pretty depressing.

Sad but true. Funny fact is that there are poeple reporting said exploits but the devs just seem to ignore it.

blazious11 · October 2015

regenerde said:

And before the screaming about Soul Puppet damage under some isolated circumstances starts again, make a SW, send the Soul Puppet on a training puppet and watch the damage numbers...

The problem is not the base damage. The problem, that its damage bonus, debuff bonus is multiplicative instead of additive, multiplies with every buff/debuff. So you can see 1M+hits easily, even on low gear level SWs, not just isolated circumstances.
The worst part, that you do not have to do anything, to get those numbers, Damnation warlock is on autopilot mode.
This needs to be adressed, and THEN give it some other buffs. For example: FEAR, that debuffs any nearby mob damage and defense by 10-15%, more HP, faster hit rate, better lifesteal, feats that add bonus to passives, encounters etc. And something, that requires some attention from the player, like he damages +30% near his soulpuppet etc.

Also SW needs a total encounter rework, there's only like 4 encounters worth using. Also passives rework. And if you are already there, you can look at the dailys. At-wills are fine, btw

Maybe little buff to eldritch, Hand could use some cleave effect in melee, but at-wills are almost good.

ogarious · October 2015

I actually kinda like the pimp slap of Hand...

ghoulz66 · October 2015

I think the at-wills are god awful. My DC's lance of faith deals twice the damage of any of my SW's at-wills. Sure, the HR's at-wills are pretty lackluster but at least that class has a good arsenal of encounter powers.

All the damage of it's powers need buffed, TT needs to be reworked/removed as it can never be properly balanced. Puppet's bonus damage removed. If the class deals good damage then it has no need for all this stupid HAMSTER just to get by.

I like the idea of the SW being utility in a party. Fury for raw DPS, damnation for a pseudo tank, and temptation for healing, but unfortunately that's not how it's working atm.... Damnation being able to mark a boss twice as a new mechanic and force the puppet to target it. Multi-curse a single target.

SW - it's been a while Strum, hows' it going?

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