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So, Lionsmane/Dragonsflight gear, let me get this straight...

prettyceltprettycelt Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 777 Arc User
edited August 2015 in General Discussion (PC)
Ok, so if what we're hearing about the new Strongholds PvE and PvP gear, Dragonsflight and Lionsmane sets, is to be believed...

We're expected to just toss our (still almost new) level 70 purples, the Elemental and Elven sets, throw them in the trash, in the same way we were expected to just dump the old level 60 epics? So we can just run out and grind all over again for IL 140-142 endgame BiS?

Really?

I'm hoping I heard that wrong, Cryptic, because if it is true, then I have to ask....did you learn absolutely nothing from the outrage over mod 6? At all...?

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  • karakla1karakla1 Member Posts: 1,355 Arc User
    There is no one to force you. The new set has only 7K HP and 1300 Stat points more than a T2 upgraded one. So no biggy. And i saw some patchnotes that you will get a lot of protector seals out of the dungeons, so it should be easier to aquire the old T2 Set.
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  • theycallmetomutheycallmetomu Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,861 Arc User
    I never bothered getting the BiS gear for mod 6, because I dislike dungeons. Any way to get better gear w/o having to run dungeons would be greatly appreciated. But, I mean, if I recall, the way to get seals and whatnot in Strongholds is with these dragon fights. So, woo, more group content that no one is ever online for. Weee.
  • hustin1hustin1 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,467 Arc User
    I'm concerned about that as well. I just read the blog where it talks about how you have ***60 seconds*** to melt a second dragon after you kill the first one. You must kill at least two to earn dragon fangs. Then I took note of the fact that a dragon becomes invulnerable if more than 20 players are attacking it, which leads me to believe that the fights are scaled for 15-20 players.

    We *never* have that many online at once. I don't think, in all the time that I've been a member of the guild, that we've had that many on, even before the founders all left. Nowadays, seeing just five online is rare in the extreme. Sure, on paper, we have over 100 accounts, but in reality, 90% of them have left the game entirely.

    It pains me to say it, but I don't believe that the devs have learned anything about their playerbase since mod 6 launched. Sure, there will be more seals dropping in dungeons, but with bosses able to do 500k of damage per hit (and minions able to do 100k!) it doesn't matter. They could put a gazillion seals in the chest and it wouldn't matter since only 0.05% of the playerbase would ever get to open it.

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  • silverkeltsilverkelt Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,235 Arc User
    Ihaveahies..

    Its not that mmo shouldn't have new grind, its the time frame between them, 3 months IS really short, extremely short in MMO timeframe for new gear to be released.

    135 vs 140 or 2.. isnt all that much different though, do what you want. 1200 more stats is only a total 3% total difference in all likely-hood in terms of dps or defense.

    The problem with mod 6 release making previous armour worthless, was due to the stat curves increase, Most other mmos you could use your old BiS armour up to the new end cap , then you would need to get new ones.

    Some classes or old heavy gear score classes, didnt have issues, but if you had a alt, say with AD gear on and a slotted r7s, the sw was eaten alive! I was forced to get new blues with massive hp upgrades to play.

    However, I dont really care, I do care about needless grind though, no need to have new armours, new weapons was good enough, strongholds were there for boons , everyone wouldve played them for new weapon and new boons. No need for new armours yet.



  • ironzerg79ironzerg79 Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,942 Arc User
    silverkelt wrote: »
    Its not that mmo shouldn't have new grind, its the time frame between them, 3 months IS really short, extremely short in MMO timeframe for new gear to be released.

    Except that you're not handed the new gear on August 11th. There's a lot of work that's going to have to go into getting the new sets. But with new content you HAVE to release new gear to chase after, otherwise what's the point of doing the new stuff (except for fun) for people who've already collected the Elven gear?

    I'm always happy to see new gear come out with new content.
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  • umscheumsche Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 461 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    Just keep playing the game normally and you'll eventually have enough to get your new gear...

    Or don't and keep the gear you got by sweating, bleeding and almost dying during these long and hard working hours.
  • tassedethe13tassedethe13 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 806 Arc User
    Nevermind it wil become irrelevant once module 8 will come
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  • cococyacococya Member Posts: 162 Arc User
    ironzerg79 wrote: »
    silverkelt wrote: »
    Its not that mmo shouldn't have new grind, its the time frame between them, 3 months IS really short, extremely short in MMO timeframe for new gear to be released.

    Except that you're not handed the new gear on August 11th. There's a lot of work that's going to have to go into getting the new sets. But with new content you HAVE to release new gear to chase after, otherwise what's the point of doing the new stuff (except for fun) for people who've already collected the Elven gear?

    I'm always happy to see new gear come out with new content.


    Hahaha, yeah, very true, work 2 months to get the new sets and get to use it a few weeks just in time for mod 8 to pop up and give a new set or artifact equipment and armor sets to farm. The fun is overwhelming. fish-40.gif
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  • niadanniadan Member Posts: 1,635 Arc User
    Do not forget that they are also making the task of obtaining seals much easier/faster. Also you get set bonuses for having 3 of the set, allowing you to keep a piece that you already have.
  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,430 Arc User
    That is why I was never able to get the in time BiS. In the end of mod 5, I got the mod 4 BiS. In the end of mod 6, I got the T1+ gear. However, I feel comfortable about this though. I have less sense of losing something great.
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  • reiwulfreiwulf Member Posts: 2,687 Arc User
    considering we get new expansions much moe often than other games, each expansion should not have a whole new set of equipment, but only a few pieces, so you're not forced to change all your equipment with each new module, just grind to get the new piece of equipment.
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  • santralafaxsantralafax Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    If my gear slowly becomes outdated and I have to replace a piece or two here or there over the course of a couple of Mods, I'm okay with it. I just didn't like the change of game mechanics in Mod 6 to force you to upgrade perfectly good equipment.
  • silverkeltsilverkelt Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,235 Arc User
    reiwulf wrote: »
    considering we get new expansions much moe often than other games, each expansion should not have a whole new set of equipment, but only a few pieces, so you're not forced to change all your equipment with each new module, just grind to get the new piece of equipment.

    If they just allowed for RP to drop like rain in strongholds area and the access to powerful boons, everyone would play it, no need for anything else.

    But whatever.
  • asterdahlasterdahl Member, Cryptic Developer Posts: 1,258 Cryptic Developer
    prettycelt wrote: »
    We're expected to just toss our (still almost new) level 70 purples, the Elemental and Elven sets, throw them in the trash, in the same way we were expected to just dump the old level 60 epics?

    As Karakla1 noted, the increase in stats between Elven and Dragonflight is only incremental. You won't be replacing your Elven gear with new green equipment from quests—like with a player level cap raise. In fact, you'll be in a much better position to take on the Dragonflight if you're sporting Elven equipment.
    teribad15 wrote: »
    I can see drow pvp set coming with m8 so ill probly skip m7 grind for gears.
    tassedethe13 wrote: »
    Nevermind it wil become irrelevant once module 8 will come

    It was mentioned on the preview forums but it bears mentioning here as well: there is no plan to increase the maximum item level on equipment with Module 8. Obviously there will be new equipment and rewards to earn, but the Dragonflight and Lionsmane sets are intended as long term goals over the course of Module 7 and Module 8.

    As always, having the best in slot set will make it easier to tackle the new content that comes down the pipe.

    Additionally, others have mentioned the increase to dungeon seals with Module 7, this change was planned from the launch of Module 6's dungeons. We will continue to curate old content and rewards to make them more accessible as new content is released.

  • eocrooseocroos Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 48 Arc User
    I've had this elven set for more then 3 months now, its about time we get some new artifact weapons and armor sets even though it will take some more time to upgrade strongholds and marketplace.
  • daniloslvdaniloslv Member Posts: 99 Arc User
    @asterdahl Do you also have any plans for releasing any new armor/weapon enchants?
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  • putzboy78putzboy78 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,950 Arc User
    Yes you are following in our nightmarish footsteps. Stay close, Andy has been known to bite in the dark.
  • quspivquspiv Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,087 Arc User
    poopoomcmuffns wrote: »
    How do you pc players think us xbox players feel? Lol...i just hit 17k gs with almost all the right stats, maybe a bit too much crit and not enough power, but....seeing i worked moths for my stuff, then they release tiamat and everything i worked for can be had for peanuts aside from proffesions stuff. Now im going to do it again and from what i read here ill be doing it again much too soon with strongholds....good thing i cAn read these forums and better prepare for mod 6 to soften the blow with a few diamond making schemes off the less prepared.

    I envy you, because mod 5 was actually fun. While mod 6 is mega boring and a lot more grindy.
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  • angryspriteangrysprite Member Posts: 4,982 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    theycallmetomu wrote: »
    I never bothered getting the BiS gear for mod 6, because I dislike dungeons. Any way to get better gear w/o having to run dungeons would be greatly appreciated. But, I mean, if I recall, the way to get seals and whatnot in Strongholds is with these dragon fights. So, woo, more group content that no one is ever online for. Weee.

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