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lol set is way too powerful.

blackxxwolf3blackxxwolf3 Member Posts: 1,539 Arc User
edited June 2015 in PvP Discussion
as a cw im tired of seeing all other cw's with way less gear than me completely dominate me in damage because i dont use the lol set. the stats are useless for us it shouldnt be bis for us. im sick of it. its just way too powerful and please tone it down.
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  • mentinmindmakermentinmindmaker Member Posts: 1,492 Arc User
    I agree, I see LoL parse at 20-30% damage for some players, that is way too much for a set effect.

    I think Cryptic said set effects would not dominate any more?

    If LoL set is kept unchanged, please give us a similar damage set with stats matching CW needs.
  • ghoulz66ghoulz66 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,748 Arc User
    At this point I don't really care. With the 50% HP buff in PVE everything takes too long to kill now.
  • romotheoneromotheone Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 729 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    And what about the people who have invested a fortune to upgrade their set? How would it be fair for them, only because some people are too busy with watching the paingiver instead of being worried about finishing the dungeon? If there are times where we need the LoL set, it's right now.

    I have never seen another game where people are so jealous of each other and hateful towards each others classes. This community needs to calm down.
  • commanderdata002commanderdata002 Member Posts: 312 Arc User
    Like they did with storm spell? It was a compensation and now it was taken away...
    stock and stone I can master, but there's a Wizard to manage here!
  • jiubiizeekkjiubiizeekk Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 144 Arc User
    OP have you put initiative into what build and what rotation the CW is using? because he he/she is using it in a way that gives him/her more dps where as your rotation might give you less.
  • blackxxwolf3blackxxwolf3 Member Posts: 1,539 Arc User
    jiubiizeekk wrote: »
    OP have you put initiative into what build and what rotation the CW is using? because he he/she is using it in a way that gives him/her more dps where as your rotation might give you less.

    the issue is that the lol set isnt meant for cw's in any way yet is bis for all of us. its not very fair now is it?
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  • regenerderegenerde Member Posts: 3,048 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    The Devs should just start to repair any broken item ingame, and then we might even find a common ground for talking about the difficulty of the game itself.
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  • alisi1alisi1 Member Posts: 366 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    The point is that the set is broken. End of discussion.
  • blackxxwolf3blackxxwolf3 Member Posts: 1,539 Arc User
    ihaveahies wrote: »
    1) You're still probably gonna be out dps'd
    2) If you expect balance, you're playing the wrong game. Soulforged and vorpal for example have always been BiS overshadowing most of the barely used enchants.
    3) Who cares, gwfs overshadow your dps a lot more.

    so im gonna get outdpsed by the same class as my own when i have better enchants gear etc without using op sets? yeah bs. your full of it. of course gwf's do way more dps than me they are supposed to we arent saying nerf gwf were saying nerf lostmauth set. it does more damage than legendary sets when it isnt even meant for that class.
  • helpimblindinrlhelpimblindinrl Member Posts: 972 Arc User
    romotheone wrote: »
    And what about the people who have invested a fortune to upgrade their set?

    Its happened before and you know full well its wildly more powerful than any other set. So we can play a game of leave it alone its precious or we can talk about the game being balanced. Your call.
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  • crystal892fcrystal892f Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 385 Arc User
    morenthar wrote: »
    One nice thing is that getting artifacts up to legendary isn't as hard as it used to be. So changing them out during a 2x Refinement is very doable.
    Teach me, master. With saved up RP for months I managed to get 3 artifact equipment items from green / blue to epic. But legendary? Not even close.

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  • asterotgasterotg Member Posts: 1,742 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    alisi1 wrote: »
    The point is that the set is broken. End of discussion.

    Thank you allknowing player, ending the discussion in your infinite wisdom. All the stupid players and Devs thought, tha it is WAI, but you know it better.^^

    Is it BIS for dps? Yes. Is it BIS for every build? No.

    Is it the LOL set, making them do more dmg? We dont know. We are in the PvP section and we dont know, the build you or the other CW uses.

    1. You are oppressor, he has any other build, he outdpses you, LOL set ignored, but you will have more CC and would go for VT set.
    2. You are renegade, he is opressor, he has no LOL set. Thraum should outdps you, but has less buffs, LOL set excluded.
    3. Both are renegade. LOL set can give him a dmg advantage. He uses focused wizadry, you dont, 30% more dmg on his side.
    4. He has a t. negation, you dont. You lose 30% dmg.
    5. He has t. feytouched, you dont. You lose 20% dmg.

    If you look at the above mentioned facts, even if you ignore the buffs/ debuffs of group members and most aspects of different builds. Just focused wizadry and w./a. enchants can make a difference of 80% dps.

    I have a pure neg, p. vorp, lol set and WoE. BIS, to burn down players with elven battle enchant or perma TRs, I would say so. Against another CW, no. An oppressor does less dmg, but has way more CC, so in the end he should win, if he does not screw up or I dont get the drop on him. Opressor with HR or another opressor can kill me before I can chast one encounter power. Do I cry 'elven battle enchant' is OP or 'VT-set is OP'? No. I decided for a build and it performs well in certain situations and is inferior in others to other builds.



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  • angrymanagementangrymanagement Member Posts: 487 Arc User
    In the PVE forums people are complaining that the LOL set is too strong, now PVP forums complaining Val set too strong lol.
    In PVE LOL set kicks the pants off Val set.
    In PVP Val set is a big advantage in setting up cc chains (control & resist)
  • kweassakweassa Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    angrymanagement wrote: »
    In the PVE forums people are complaining that the LOL set is too strong, now PVP forums complaining Val set too strong lol.
    In PVE LOL set kicks the pants off Val set.
    In PVP Val set is a big advantage in setting up cc chains (control & resist)

    How much 'advantage' do you think 15% control bonus actually adds?

    In PvP, a CW that didn't invest much into CCs and just stacked up for DPS holds a target with EF for like less than 2 seconds. Add a 15% bonus to it and that's a grand total of 2.3 seconds. Most powers in this game take longer than 0.6 seconds to activate. Powers like Icy Rays are one of the fastest activating powers which (IIRC) takes around 0.4. That 15% bonus alone doesn't add duration that's even worth one power activation.

    Anyone who CCs anything for any duration worth a darn (at least 3.0s or longer), in the current PvP where everyone has at least 37~40% CC resist from just gear alone, is a result of active investment and personal sacrifices to make those CCs work.

    So you tell me again how "Valyndra's is too stong", because I don't think I heard it right.
    Stop making excuses. Be a man.
    If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
    Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
  • sophiwarlocksophiwarlock Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    My only qualm with the set is that it strongly favors classes with already very high damage who can achieve very high or 100% crit change (cough, TR and CW), not to mention the STR/DEX ability stats are ideal for TR damage as well.
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  • rversantrversant Member Posts: 896 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    crystal892f wrote: »
    morenthar wrote: »
    One nice thing is that getting artifacts up to legendary isn't as hard as it used to be. So changing them out during a 2x Refinement is very doable.
    Teach me, master. With saved up RP for months I managed to get 3 artifact equipment items from green / blue to epic. But legendary? Not even close.

    Artifact Equipment =//= Artifacts .

    Artifacts are far easier to level up as we an just pump runestones and enchants into them.

    Regarding the comment about leadership alts above though. I've always thought its pretty crappy you have to do that just too have a workable income for a single character. but then again I'm sure a lot of people feel that way.
    People are way too negative, Why cant we just all get along.


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