People, this is Software Development 101. You have teams of people. Some work on some parts, others on other parts. You can't just retool everyone for a specific bug. You have a build schedule, fixes go from environment to environment and they take time. If the fix and the testing isn't ready, it gets bumped to the next release. The guy who works on the coffer drop rate doesn't work on feats and power points. His stuff was ready, so it got into the build. I think most people on the forums have no idea what the SDLC is. And just because your little shop runs agile doesn't mean everyone else does.
The power points and the feats keeps you from being more powerful but there is a work around, so frankly it's not game breaking. Use your free full respec, and then buy a new one later, they are like $2.20. If you have internet service I'm sure you can afford it.
And as far as communication goes, I'd never say when stuff was going to live until right before. Look at this proposed "GWF buff", If they say its next week and then the fix needs more testing and is delayed, everyone goes beserk, where's my buff? No promises ever.
I'm not saying Cryptic is perfect and even really good at this, but you're focusing on the wrong things. They have more fundamental design problems, and perhaps sufficient testing problems, but I'm tired of hearing either stupid complaints or terrible impractical ideas.
"we can't just take all of GentlemanCrush's time working on the upcoming things as there are dependencies on his work. "
I think the problem is that only a handful of devs can actually fix the game breaking stuff so things don't get fixed in time because those are the same devs that has to work with the new mods. Then you have some interns or less experienced devs that works on small stuff.
Basically you are low on manpower with the knowledge needed and it has a negative effect on the game that we clearly can see. Its simply an impossible situation and the players has to suffer.
Ok, so we got the grasp of how development takes place. That's good. However, sometimes it seems like we have to open tens of threads about a bug before it gets noticed and investigated. Some never get noticed and just lay there. Also there are times when ppl report a known issue over and over again. There should be some proper bug tracking implemented so we know what bugs the devs know of and what they don't, and what's WAI.
wait, wait, wait... the "buffs thing"is not promise made yesterday. the promise itself was a response to a DEMAND OF THE CLASS. and that demand dont coming only because some classes are overbuffed, again, again, again. is the description of the class.
"The Great Weapon Fighter is an unstoppable force of damage and steel, skilled in using the weight of a greatsword to dispatch those that stand in the way. The epitome of strength, the Great Weapon Fighter is also resilient enough to defend allies in need."
i take 177000 damage to a dragon yesterday, to a melee attack w/o animation to be dodge IF I HAVE DODGE.
the only single tree that work now is this:""The Destroyer is a torrent of unfettered rage and anger that deals a crushing amount of damage no foe is likely to survive." and that, thanks to a bug.
whats happening to:
"The Instigator combines cunning and strength to harnesses the ferocity of battle into precision attacks and tatical maneuvers."
or
"The Sentinel uses innate strength to entice the aggression of monster and mitigate blows that would otherwise devastate allies."
Even when the paladin will still remain broken? The class is destroying all minimum savings of the game with your bugs who along with any bleeding are killing boss in seconds.
Other than that .. what do today in neverwinter?
PVE: totally unbalanced Dungeons where you have no reward for spending hours and hours.
PS: Seriously that no one even commented on the bug Epic Cragmire crypts.
PS²: Stop investing in BoP items .. this only discourages more and more of trying to get AD this game.
PVP: Fully broken .. it's just a look at the "leaderboard" and see the first page full of "ghost players". I do not know the real reason to continue playing PVP where the rank of the same is fully buggy and outdated.
What I just wrote is the same thought that thousands of players are seeing about the game at the time, and most when you ask ... "what to do in neverwinter?"
They have a great job and I hope they consider this as constructive criticism and see the real way the game is going.
So yes there was a work around my question is well why was that work around not brought into this patch when all they had to do was reissue a free respect for everyone and the problem is solved until they could provide the real fix?
Fiscal Responsibility 101 : One does not reward a company with a broken product with a payment to fix something that is the company's responsibility. It is not about having the means to fix the problem it is about the Company admiting that there is a problem and they are unable to fix it in a timely manner.
I'm at this stage right now I simply cannot and will not spend any money on the game again while it is in it's current state , I have played and loved this game since day one of open beta despite all the exploits and problems over the past couple of years but the game is simply very nearly an unplayable mess at the moment and right now I can not see very many reasons to continue to stick with it because instead of things getting better they are drastically getting worse and worse by the day.
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silvergryphMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 740Arc User
Fiscal Responsibility 101 : One does not reward a company with a broken product with a payment to fix something that is the company's responsibility. It is not about having the means to fix the problem it is about the Company admiting that there is a problem and they are unable to fix it in a timely manner.
And the company lived up to that fiscal responsibility already by giving you a free respec.
Why are people complaining that they have to use their FREE respec? This is why it was given to you.
Many things were changed so that they don't work the way they used to. So, they gave us a free respec so that we can fix the things that don't work with our builds anymore. If you put points into Rank 4 before they changed the requirements, your character is unable to allocate points. OK, this is a bug. But they gave you a free respec specifically so you can fix what doesn't work as a result of Mod 6. What's the difference if that's from a bug or a choice that isn't valid anymore? The respec was free. Use it.
Honestly, they should just stop giving out free respecs if people are going to cry about having to use them. Just force a full respec of every character every time there's a new module or game-changing patch instead.
In fact, just do that next Thursday. Delete all free respec tokens and force repec everybody. Problem solved. Or placate the masses by force respecing and giving everybody a free token.
Of course, then they would have to listen to everybody crying that they hadn't used their token and that free respecs should stack...
And the company lived up to that fiscal responsibility already by giving you a free respec.
Why are people complaining that they have to use their FREE respec? This is why it was given to you.
Many things were changed so that they don't work the way they used to. So, they gave us a free respec so that we can fix the things that don't work with our builds anymore. If you put points into Rank 4 before they changed the requirements, your character is unable to allocate points. OK, this is a bug. But they gave you a free respec specifically so you can fix what doesn't work as a result of Mod 6. What's the difference if that's from a bug or a choice that isn't valid anymore? The respec was free. Use it.
Honestly, they should just stop giving out free respecs if people are going to cry about having to use them. Just force a full respec of every character every time there's a new module or game-changing patch instead.
In fact, just do that next Thursday. Delete all free respec tokens and force repec everybody. Problem solved. Or placate the masses by force respecing and giving everybody a free token.
Of course, then they would have to listen to everybody crying that they hadn't used their token and that free respecs should stack...
Im sorry. but the whining concernes having already used one's free respec token granted with the start of Mod 6 and getting the feats bug AFTER the patch on the 23rd so there is no more FREE respecs to be used
Im sorry. but the whining concernes having already used one's free respec token granted with the start of Mod 6 and getting the feats bug AFTER the patch on the 23rd so there is no more FREE respecs to be used
I havent used my free respec, mostly due to the fact that my Paladin is the toon bugged and for some reason is not offered a free respec, the rest of my toons on the account can see it just fine.
I am pretty certain that the minimum purchase of zen is in 10 dollar increments as well so that $2.20 figure is also not valid for most people unless they have already purchased zen in the past.
Paladins were not offered a free respec at the start of the Mod because they weren't available as characters before mod 6
If any character from before Mod 6 has yet to use their free respec and is bugged due to the rank 4 powers then the obvious solution is to use the respec. If you have either already used your respec or are playing a bugged paladin then welcome to the problem section
You can file a report - I hear some people have gotten a new respec in that way, but other than that it's just a let's-wait-and-see-what-happens-next-patch.
Paladins were not offered a free respec at the start of the Mod because they weren't available as characters before mod 6
If any character from before Mod 6 has yet to use their free respec and is bugged due to the rank 4 powers then the obvious solution is to use the respec. If you have either already used your respec or are playing a bugged paladin then welcome to the problem section
You can file a report - I hear some people have gotten a new respec in that way, but other than that it's just a let's-wait-and-see-what-happens-next-patch.
Ive been waiting to see since the day the bug happened. I am now 3 boons in queue waiting for this to be fixed and refuse to pay for something that I didn't break.
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damnaciousMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 354Arc User
wait, wait, wait... the "buffs thing"is not promise made yesterday. the promise itself was a response to a DEMAND OF THE CLASS. and that demand dont coming only because some classes are overbuffed, again, again, again. is the description of the class.
"The Great Weapon Fighter is an unstoppable force of damage and steel, skilled in using the weight of a greatsword to dispatch those that stand in the way. The epitome of strength, the Great Weapon Fighter is also resilient enough to defend allies in need."
i take 177000 damage to a dragon yesterday, to a melee attack w/o animation to be dodge IF I HAVE DODGE.
the only single tree that work now is this:""The Destroyer is a torrent of unfettered rage and anger that deals a crushing amount of damage no foe is likely to survive." and that, thanks to a bug.
whats happening to:
"The Instigator combines cunning and strength to harnesses the ferocity of battle into precision attacks and tatical maneuvers."
or
"The Sentinel uses innate strength to entice the aggression of monster and mitigate blows that would otherwise devastate allies."
???
We get it. You were told that there may be some upcoming changes that may improve your class. Awesome! You now haven't received those improvements as was informed you MIGHT by a rough date.
Please consider that while something like this would be good for you and others, it is not necessarily an emergency and therefore you may have to be patient and wait for it.
As you ought to be reasonably aware of, there are currently some urgent and necessary emergency fixes that do require attention and do/should take priority over any improvements to your class as they affect a significant proportion of the player base and prevent that player base from actually reasonably playing.
So, perhaps bear in mind that if irrational and selfish seeming demands continue to be made when there are more important things requiring attention then you may not receive it at all as the more you hassle and demand something, when it plainly and logically can't be provided at that time, simply just wastes limited time and resources.
Essentially, please be patient and have consideration and understanding for the whole situation.
I'm still waiting and hoping the bugs that prevent the GF's Guard from working properly will be fixed as they have existed now for longer than 2 mods. Apart from the occasional mention to ensure it doesn't get forgotten you don't see me continuing to whinge about it...
Essentially, you don't stop to make your crying child a sandwich because you said earlier you would and they are now complaining and crying because they want one when the entire house is on fire. Instead, you put out the fire, make sure everyone is safe and then think about getting the child a sandwich.
I confirme pure and transcendent vorpal are bugged and reduce damage like a lot.
Occulte rune doesnt give the % of stat they are suppose to give slot on the ioun stone.
Fox cunning and death make transcendent feytouch procs 0 damage.
And i still want my dungeons back or an update on they're situation, stop delete my comments about it please.
I give a ,, Like,, . Your post is something that everyone should read and understand. Most ppl dont get that fixing bugs is nothing that can be done in 5 min. U are doing a good job with the resources you have.
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mysticmarksMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 117Arc User
edited May 2015
#1. A Respec fixes what points you currently have, it doesn't fix any earned after the respec. Just wait at this point.
#2. They have issued server wide respecs after correcting this issue before. I'm sure once they've corrected the code they will again.
#3. MANY of the new changes are long over due and undeniable improvments since inception.(If you stuck out the other mod relases, this one is the first that really added player suggestions to the content. 10 man GG? awesome. 4 ranks of encounters? awesome. Enchantment changes and lvl raise? awesome. Sneak peak of PVP competition awards? awesome. New class? awesome.)
#4. They are giving the NW community the much need attention it has lacked on and off. They were modifying live server while running. That's risky practice that normally doesn't happen(I wouldn't have left it live to change anything.) That validates the commitment to try and fix the issues.
NOW, with that said:
#1. You guys fixed dungeons before respecs. You KNOW you have the whole community riding your rears on the bigger player issues.
#2. Sending a few players a respec is a complete waste of the man power resource. You KNOW you'll issue another respec once its corrected. You've done so twice before when points wouldn't commit.
#3. Thank you for finally taking so much player input. Many of the changes are absolute wins. I won't rehash each one, but dungeon parties have been far more fun having everyone have to play their resspective roles in combat. I can feel it on every class and in every party. Once the other issues are corrected, NW will be far more fun for all players new and old.
Scott? When will foundry return? You guys addressed my question on twitch a few months ago with Akro about foundry content becoming player created dungeons with actual award chests and true bosses. Ultimately offering us all endless new dungeons to play. The response was that it was in the works and had lots of issues to make it happen without leaving exploit doors wide open. I really hope this wasn't forgotten. With a more sophisticated foundry authoring tool, many tabletop dungeon masters could begin to bring in old printed campaigns; but players want a chance to earn a real reward. The foundry chests yielding garbage loot has been one of the few huge reasons more people do not do or enjoy foundry. The player base will simply out work your design team in dungeon creation if allowed. I hope it's been happening, and hope it's huge.
Sometimes you're your own best teacher. ~Me
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
#1. A Respec fixes what points you currently have, it doesn't fix any earned after the respec. Just wait at this point.
Respec completely fixed it for me, including being able to spend a Power point I got from overflow experience later.
I had a bugged character (had rank 4s too early according to the newly enforced criteria in the May 23 patch, could not commit feats / boons after the May 23 patch). I still had the free respec on one of them and used it. Just yesterday, I received another Power point as an overflow experience reward. It let me use it, and it "stuck", no problem.
So at least in my case the re-spec was a complete solution.
#2. They have issued server wide respecs after correcting this issue before. I'm sure once they've corrected the code they will again.
. . .
NOW, with that said:
. . .
#2. Sending a few players a respec is a complete waste of the man power resource. You KNOW you'll issue another respec once its corrected. You've done so twice before when points wouldn't commit.
. . .
The code was corrected on May 23. The problem is that the database information for the characters who already had "premature" rank 4s was not corrected. This left them bugged. A re-spec that includes a reset on power points fixes the character data. This is a complete fix for characters with that particular problem.
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I like you, you get it.
"we can't just take all of GentlemanCrush's time working on the upcoming things as there are dependencies on his work. "
I think the problem is that only a handful of devs can actually fix the game breaking stuff so things don't get fixed in time because those are the same devs that has to work with the new mods. Then you have some interns or less experienced devs that works on small stuff.
Basically you are low on manpower with the knowledge needed and it has a negative effect on the game that we clearly can see. Its simply an impossible situation and the players has to suffer.
"The Great Weapon Fighter is an unstoppable force of damage and steel, skilled in using the weight of a greatsword to dispatch those that stand in the way. The epitome of strength, the Great Weapon Fighter is also resilient enough to defend allies in need."
i take 177000 damage to a dragon yesterday, to a melee attack w/o animation to be dodge IF I HAVE DODGE.
the only single tree that work now is this:""The Destroyer is a torrent of unfettered rage and anger that deals a crushing amount of damage no foe is likely to survive." and that, thanks to a bug.
whats happening to:
"The Instigator combines cunning and strength to harnesses the ferocity of battle into precision attacks and tatical maneuvers."
or
"The Sentinel uses innate strength to entice the aggression of monster and mitigate blows that would otherwise devastate allies."
???
Other than that .. what do today in neverwinter?
PVE: totally unbalanced Dungeons where you have no reward for spending hours and hours.
PS: Seriously that no one even commented on the bug Epic Cragmire crypts.
PS²: Stop investing in BoP items .. this only discourages more and more of trying to get AD this game.
PVP: Fully broken .. it's just a look at the "leaderboard" and see the first page full of "ghost players". I do not know the real reason to continue playing PVP where the rank of the same is fully buggy and outdated.
What I just wrote is the same thought that thousands of players are seeing about the game at the time, and most when you ask ... "what to do in neverwinter?"
They have a great job and I hope they consider this as constructive criticism and see the real way the game is going.
I'm at this stage right now I simply cannot and will not spend any money on the game again while it is in it's current state , I have played and loved this game since day one of open beta despite all the exploits and problems over the past couple of years but the game is simply very nearly an unplayable mess at the moment and right now I can not see very many reasons to continue to stick with it because instead of things getting better they are drastically getting worse and worse by the day.
And the company lived up to that fiscal responsibility already by giving you a free respec.
Why are people complaining that they have to use their FREE respec? This is why it was given to you.
Many things were changed so that they don't work the way they used to. So, they gave us a free respec so that we can fix the things that don't work with our builds anymore. If you put points into Rank 4 before they changed the requirements, your character is unable to allocate points. OK, this is a bug. But they gave you a free respec specifically so you can fix what doesn't work as a result of Mod 6. What's the difference if that's from a bug or a choice that isn't valid anymore? The respec was free. Use it.
Honestly, they should just stop giving out free respecs if people are going to cry about having to use them. Just force a full respec of every character every time there's a new module or game-changing patch instead.
In fact, just do that next Thursday. Delete all free respec tokens and force repec everybody. Problem solved. Or placate the masses by force respecing and giving everybody a free token.
Of course, then they would have to listen to everybody crying that they hadn't used their token and that free respecs should stack...
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Im sorry. but the whining concernes having already used one's free respec token granted with the start of Mod 6 and getting the feats bug AFTER the patch on the 23rd so there is no more FREE respecs to be used
I havent used my free respec, mostly due to the fact that my Paladin is the toon bugged and for some reason is not offered a free respec, the rest of my toons on the account can see it just fine.
If any character from before Mod 6 has yet to use their free respec and is bugged due to the rank 4 powers then the obvious solution is to use the respec. If you have either already used your respec or are playing a bugged paladin then welcome to the problem section
You can file a report - I hear some people have gotten a new respec in that way, but other than that it's just a let's-wait-and-see-what-happens-next-patch.
Ive been waiting to see since the day the bug happened. I am now 3 boons in queue waiting for this to be fixed and refuse to pay for something that I didn't break.
We get it. You were told that there may be some upcoming changes that may improve your class. Awesome! You now haven't received those improvements as was informed you MIGHT by a rough date.
Please consider that while something like this would be good for you and others, it is not necessarily an emergency and therefore you may have to be patient and wait for it.
As you ought to be reasonably aware of, there are currently some urgent and necessary emergency fixes that do require attention and do/should take priority over any improvements to your class as they affect a significant proportion of the player base and prevent that player base from actually reasonably playing.
So, perhaps bear in mind that if irrational and selfish seeming demands continue to be made when there are more important things requiring attention then you may not receive it at all as the more you hassle and demand something, when it plainly and logically can't be provided at that time, simply just wastes limited time and resources.
Essentially, please be patient and have consideration and understanding for the whole situation.
I'm still waiting and hoping the bugs that prevent the GF's Guard from working properly will be fixed as they have existed now for longer than 2 mods. Apart from the occasional mention to ensure it doesn't get forgotten you don't see me continuing to whinge about it...
Essentially, you don't stop to make your crying child a sandwich because you said earlier you would and they are now complaining and crying because they want one when the entire house is on fire. Instead, you put out the fire, make sure everyone is safe and then think about getting the child a sandwich.
Does that make sense?
I confirme pure and transcendent vorpal are bugged and reduce damage like a lot.
Occulte rune doesnt give the % of stat they are suppose to give slot on the ioun stone.
Fox cunning and death make transcendent feytouch procs 0 damage.
And i still want my dungeons back or an update on they're situation, stop delete my comments about it please.
thx
#2. They have issued server wide respecs after correcting this issue before. I'm sure once they've corrected the code they will again.
#3. MANY of the new changes are long over due and undeniable improvments since inception.(If you stuck out the other mod relases, this one is the first that really added player suggestions to the content. 10 man GG? awesome. 4 ranks of encounters? awesome. Enchantment changes and lvl raise? awesome. Sneak peak of PVP competition awards? awesome. New class? awesome.)
#4. They are giving the NW community the much need attention it has lacked on and off. They were modifying live server while running. That's risky practice that normally doesn't happen(I wouldn't have left it live to change anything.) That validates the commitment to try and fix the issues.
NOW, with that said:
#1. You guys fixed dungeons before respecs. You KNOW you have the whole community riding your rears on the bigger player issues.
#2. Sending a few players a respec is a complete waste of the man power resource. You KNOW you'll issue another respec once its corrected. You've done so twice before when points wouldn't commit.
#3. Thank you for finally taking so much player input. Many of the changes are absolute wins. I won't rehash each one, but dungeon parties have been far more fun having everyone have to play their resspective roles in combat. I can feel it on every class and in every party. Once the other issues are corrected, NW will be far more fun for all players new and old.
Scott? When will foundry return? You guys addressed my question on twitch a few months ago with Akro about foundry content becoming player created dungeons with actual award chests and true bosses. Ultimately offering us all endless new dungeons to play. The response was that it was in the works and had lots of issues to make it happen without leaving exploit doors wide open. I really hope this wasn't forgotten. With a more sophisticated foundry authoring tool, many tabletop dungeon masters could begin to bring in old printed campaigns; but players want a chance to earn a real reward. The foundry chests yielding garbage loot has been one of the few huge reasons more people do not do or enjoy foundry. The player base will simply out work your design team in dungeon creation if allowed. I hope it's been happening, and hope it's huge.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I had a bugged character (had rank 4s too early according to the newly enforced criteria in the May 23 patch, could not commit feats / boons after the May 23 patch). I still had the free respec on one of them and used it. Just yesterday, I received another Power point as an overflow experience reward. It let me use it, and it "stuck", no problem.
So at least in my case the re-spec was a complete solution.
The code was corrected on May 23. The problem is that the database information for the characters who already had "premature" rank 4s was not corrected. This left them bugged. A re-spec that includes a reset on power points fixes the character data. This is a complete fix for characters with that particular problem.
I also would like to see the patch notes.