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Time to Go for an HR Toon and strip your GF/GWF

guille23mxguille23mx Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 340 Arc User
edited June 2014 in NeverwinterPreview - Feedback/General Discussion
Just Check these videos to see how OP the HR are gonna be in MOD 4.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHTw8hZhOpU&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wU22v5Yrss&feature=youtu.be


My guess is even if the Devs finetune them a little this class is gonna be the new pvp Kings so
Idk about you all guys im gonna strip my GF and GWF of all his enchants and start an HR.
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  • hamletswordshamletswords Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1,320 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2014
    Show a video of a live GWF or CW doing solo content and it's the same thing...
    My Harem: Dawn HR, Erin CW, Piper TR, Zoe GWF
  • pandora1xpandora1x Member Posts: 725 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    HOLY! It's worse than I thought..

    I hope they give us rogues our damage back one day at least. We're supposed to be the kings for DPS for god's sake. Now we hit like toothpicks.
  • iambecks1iambecks1 Member Posts: 4,044 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    The changes in the preview server are not final , if they are OP at the moment then you can be sure that they will be nerfed back , if you think that the HR is OP at the moment then go to the feedback thread in the preview subforum and explain how and the developer will do something about it , we have at least 6 or 7 preview patches before module 4 goes live.
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  • hamletswordshamletswords Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1,320 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2014
    iambecks1 wrote: »
    The changes in the preview server are not final , if they are OP at the moment then you can be sure that they will be nerfed back , if you think that the HR is OP at the moment then go to the feedback thread in the preview subforum and explain how and the developer will do something about it , we have at least 6 or 7 preview patches before module 4 goes live.

    Yeah that's true unfortunately. HR doing as much damage or getting as good lifesteal heals as CW or GWF is blasphemous apparently so the changes will probably get nerfed and by mod 4 we'll still not be wanted for any group.

    Even with the damage being shown there I'm not sure there's enough incentive to take an HR over a CW or GWF who have more control.
    My Harem: Dawn HR, Erin CW, Piper TR, Zoe GWF
  • spongebob56spongebob56 Member Posts: 234 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    guille23mx wrote: »
    My guess is even if the Devs finetune them a little this class is gonna be the new pvp Kings

    HRs are a work in progress. Expect more changes for them.
  • ripyourlipsoffripyourlipsoff Member Posts: 1,552 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    guille23mx wrote: »
    Just Check these videos to see how OP the HR are gonna be in MOD 4.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHTw8hZhOpU&feature=youtu.be

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wU22v5Yrss&feature=youtu.be


    My guess is even if the Devs finetune them a little this class is gonna be the new pvp Kings so
    Idk about you all guys im gonna strip my GF and GWF of all his enchants and start an HR.

    Sad, that HR was doing more melee damage then a GF specced for DPS!!! These developers?????????????????????????
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  • silence1xsilence1x Member Posts: 1,503 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I play a GF (PvP - IV Conq) and an HR (PvE - SW Archery). I have never felt that either was OP and my number prove it :)
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  • mehguy138mehguy138 Member Posts: 1,803 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    That's why I'm leveling a new HR lol.
    M6 almost drains your soul given how boring it is. (c) joocycuzzzzzz
  • bucklittlebucklittle Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I wouldn't worry about those videos. In the melee one a bug is being used. In the archer one, he just happen to get lucky and everything in the video was a critical, cherry picked if you will.
  • query523query523 Member Posts: 1,515 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    None of that looks much more impressive than my HR doing IWD on live. Good gear and a lot of practice. Regardless I shall not be stripping my GWf as it is only wearing hand-me-down 6s and 7s, a vorpal I was upgrading (now on hold due to coal prices) and whatever dropped for it. Because it was perfectly functional that way and I could always find a pack of CWs and GWFs that would group me without glancing at the gear. Perfect for when I really did not feel like playing but wanted a little extra AD. That and it provided a really nice free artifact for important things like my HR and GF.....
  • yuccapalmyuccapalm Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 195 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2014
    Nah im not a **** who always needs to play the current op class. =)
  • zacazuzacazu Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,934 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    hamletswords wrote: »
    Show a video of a live GWF or CW doing solo content and it's the same thing...

    yeah ... but build determination /focused destroyer against a single enemy that rushes you ... takes time.

    the base damage of Aimed was already much higher than ibs (and now +30%) split shoot will do more damage than the cw shard (post nerf) ...


    Finally, the buff is deserved. But to say that nature had nerfs to "preserve roles between classes" is an insult.

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  • twilightwatchmantwilightwatchman Member Posts: 2,007 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I suggest using the Dev Tracker: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/devtracker.php

    If you read through there you will see that there is already some 'fine tuning' happening, based on initial feedback from testing.

    Of course it's easier to just QQ.
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  • twilightwatchmantwilightwatchman Member Posts: 2,007 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    zacazu wrote: »
    the base damage of Aimed was already much higher than ibs (and now +30%) split shoot will do more damage than the cw shard (post nerf) ...
    A GWF will successfully hit with 10 IBS for every Aimed Shot an HR lands. Not sure you have the numbers right for Split Shot vs Shard either - my Shards were hitting harder than my Split Shot on the test server last night.
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  • zacazuzacazu Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,934 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    same gear/ full charge?

    anyway, if it's not, my fault.

    edit: no, no. more damage. mof thau vs storm archer. more damage or i need change my build.

    ps: in live, my shard aoe give more damage than Aimed at the preview.
  • hamletswordshamletswords Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1,320 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2014
    Based on dungeon runs people are doing, HR is doing about the same dps as nerfed CWs, maybe a little more. Meaning it'll still be better to bring another CW rather than HR.
    My Harem: Dawn HR, Erin CW, Piper TR, Zoe GWF
  • crazymikeecrazymikee Member Posts: 694 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Yea my friend did the ranged path and literally took me out in a few seconds, 43k hp and 34% dr cw

    yea cw is always juicy but thats still stupid
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  • zacazuzacazu Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,934 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    hamletswords wrote: »
    Based on dungeon runs people are doing, HR is doing about the same dps as nerfed CWs, maybe a little more. Meaning it'll still be better to bring another CW rather than HR.

    ah I'm just doing tests against dummies. this is not a legitimate feedback.

    but again, it is a deserved buff.
  • twilightwatchmantwilightwatchman Member Posts: 2,007 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    zacazu wrote: »
    same gear/ full charge?

    anyway, if it's not, my fault.

    edit: no, no. more damage. mof thau vs storm archer. more damage or i need change my build.

    ps: in live, my shard aoe give more damage than Aimed at the preview.
    That might explain it. I have a PF Archer so I don't have the class features that boost damage on hitting multiple targets. Although I was using an Opp MoF so my Shard should have hit for less than yours.
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  • mircalla83mircalla83 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 36
    edited June 2014
    Video 1: Roughly double of what my RG/6k Power/32% Crit chance (Dread Ring T1 Bow, Thayan Zealot) does, Damage wise. Not using Vorpal, so my Crits are lower, and the current Archery Feat line does not boost Damage by 30 (60 when the target also has 'Prey' on it) Percent. Plus you most likely get the 25% additional Crit Chance from the Stillness of the Forest Feat, especially since you seem to open with Aimed or with a Control Shot.
    Video 2: Again with the showcasing of a BUGGED mechanic, this will be adressed in the upcoming Preview server build scheduled to hit during this, but latest next week.
  • caexarcaexar Member Posts: 355 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Correct about the way Prey works. You will always want to open up with an encounter power on the strongest enemy in the groups to establish prey. Then you will get the obscene damage boost for every attack after. This can result in absurd single target damage as shown in the video. That isn't in and of itself all that bad, what is bad is when you also boost the aoe DPS skills by a flat 30% as well. I was critting (not in my video)for ~15k on prey targets with split shot and ~12k on non prey marked. That's just too much in my opinion, and the aoe potential of the archery tree needs scaling down a tad. Archery should be ranged single target DPS. Melee survivable aoe. Trapper control dot DPS.
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  • ahsherahsher Member Posts: 208 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2014
    guille23mx wrote: »
    Just Check these videos to see how OP the HR are gonna be in MOD 4.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHTw8hZhOpU&feature=youtu.be

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wU22v5Yrss&feature=youtu.be

    My guess is even if the Devs finetune them a little this class is gonna be the new pvp Kings so
    Idk about you all guys im gonna strip my GF and GWF of all his enchants and start an HR.


    I said same thing about moving best gear from your CW...
    Create an HR - has better CC and DPS
  • adsfelipeadsfelipe Member Posts: 115 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Im GWF.. sometimes HR take half of my life whit a single atack..

    rogues and CW never do that..

    relly hope they nerf HRs
  • crixus8000crixus8000 Member Posts: 1,205 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2014
    I love the way the HR can just spin around dealing insane dmg and healing hp like crazy lol, they are already very OP.
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  • emilemoemilemo Member Posts: 1,718 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    guille23mx wrote: »
    Just Check these videos to see how OP the HR are gonna be in MOD 4.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHTw8hZhOpU&feature=youtu.be

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wU22v5Yrss&feature=youtu.be


    My guess is even if the Devs finetune them a little this class is gonna be the new pvp Kings so
    Idk about you all guys im gonna strip my GF and GWF of all his enchants and start an HR.

    The moment a game forces a class choice on me by making other (my preferred) classes effectively useless is the moment I leave a game
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  • mehguy138mehguy138 Member Posts: 1,803 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I think we all should wait for warlock before making decision to roll a HR, just in case...
    M6 almost drains your soul given how boring it is. (c) joocycuzzzzzz
  • loboguildloboguild Member Posts: 2,371 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    DPS compared with self-healing (30% Life Steal) is off the chart on preview, but we are still a few patches away from the RC. It probably will be scaled back.
  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    loboguild wrote: »
    DPS compared with self-healing (30% Life Steal) is off the chart on preview, but we are still a few patches away from the RC. It probably will be scaled back.

    yeah, tell me precisely how they can have dps and lifesteal if the 2 things are the t4 feats of 2 different trees.
  • hfgtfsdfshfgtfsdfs Member Posts: 688 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    If they don't start nerfing HR in PvP I'm not gonna play with or against that class. Its OP as it is on the live server and with M4 they get buffed even more. Its insane.

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