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  • twilightwatchmantwilightwatchman Member Posts: 2,007 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    ontisz wrote: »
    I outdamage anyone except of CWs with 16k+GS and GWFs with 18k+. And I used to outdamage anyone whatsoever before this nerf and yet-another CW buff. Talk about skills you PRESSXTOWIN lover.
    Cool story, Bro.

    CWs were not buffed any more than any other class with the Power rework.
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  • spacejewspacejew Member Posts: 1,044 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2014
    When I go DD'ing as HR, I put StS and Thorn to try to Aoe something and contribute to the "speed".
    Other Enco is Boar to help a bit the team in defense. Sometimes Stag before the boss, supporting additional debuff on one target.

    One Aoe that we have "always on" could be Rain of Arrows, but the target field is so narrow I can't even begin to comment it. At least they could make it different from PvE to PvP. In PvP remains the same, in PvE it's doubled...at least.

    Also I'd like you to know that StS is bugged: sometimes it will crit for 0 damage, or less than 100...

    After reading all of this I can only assume you are a Nature spec. who is still in denial about their usefulness. And yes, Rain of Arrows/Rain of Swords is basically a 'must have' power for any HR DPS. With Royal Guard/Prime Critical it is up every 8 seconds or so.

    People wonder why other DPS are doing better than their HR, yet they have things like Oak Skin, Boar's Hide, or Thornward on their bar. It shouldn't be a surprise that they're doing less damage when they are rigged for single-target debuff or subpar team buffing.

    It's like a CW who rolled Oppressor and uses Ice Storm. I mean, they think they are helping but usually they are just <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> the group.
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  • thegrandexenothegrandexeno Member Posts: 239 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2014
    spacejew wrote: »
    After reading all of this I can only assume you are a Nature spec. who is still in denial about their usefulness. And yes, Rain of Arrows/Rain of Swords is basically a 'must have' power for any HR DPS. With Royal Guard/Prime Critical it is up every 8 seconds or so.

    People wonder why other DPS are doing better than their HR, yet they have things like Oak Skin, Boar's Hide, or Thornward on their bar. It shouldn't be a surprise that they're doing less damage when they are rigged for single-target debuff or subpar team buffing.

    It's like a CW who rolled Oppressor and uses Ice Storm. I mean, they think they are helping but usually they are just <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> the group.

    Uhm, no I am a Stormwarden, full archery spec, slotting those things "useless" because they DO speed up a little the trash-cleaning.
    StS helps with damage and slowing mobs if one of the party has to evade, thorn helps debuffing defense and with some damage.

    Other than that I am comfy Aimshotting /splitshotting: not much more to do for a SW other than 1 target DPSing, considering that more often than not some adds interrupt me so..

    It's not for the "paingiver" of course, it's for group contribution ("hey I was there with you guys, remember the lightnings?"), just some aoe and a little mitigation buff /debuff.

    What would you slot?
    • Halflingas The Great - Stormwarden HR(60)
  • spacejewspacejew Member Posts: 1,044 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2014
    Uhm, no I am a Stormwarden, full archery spec, slotting those things "useless" because they DO speed up a little the trash-cleaning.
    StS helps with damage and slowing mobs if one of the party has to evade, thorn helps debuffing defense and with some damage.

    Other than that I am comfy Aimshotting /splitshotting: not much more to do for a SW other than 1 target DPSing, considering that more often than not some adds interrupt me so..

    It's not for the "paingiver" of course, it's for group contribution ("hey I was there with you guys, remember the lightnings?"), just some aoe and a little mitigation buff /debuff.

    What would you slot?

    Gotcha, my mistake. I just assumed that if you were using Boar's Hide and Stag Heart at all you were Nature. Given that without being a Nature Spec it halves any benefit from Boar stack's or the temp HP from Stag Heart, which are already pretty bad even if you have the feats, I'd suggest getting rid of these encounter's and never using them again.

    Group utility is fine and all, but Neverwinter doesn't need or respect it. Especially when it's single-target debuff or half-strength buff's that are weaksauce even when they are full strength.

    If you spec for damage, use encounter's that do damage. Utility/healing/debuff isn't really something an HR should be doing unless you have a really, really specific role within a premade group of friends. (And I say this primarily because CW's and DC's are way, way better at debuff than a HR can ever hope to be.)
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  • thegrandexenothegrandexeno Member Posts: 239 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2014
    spacejew wrote: »
    Gotcha, my mistake. I just assumed that if you were using Boar's Hide and Stag Heart at all you were Nature. Given that without being a Nature Spec it halves any benefit from Boar stack's or the temp HP from Stag Heart, which are already pretty bad even if you have the feats, I'd suggest getting rid of these encounter's and never using them again.

    Group utility is fine and all, but Neverwinter doesn't need or respect it. Especially when it's single-target debuff or half-strength buff's that are weaksauce even when they are full strength.

    If you spec for damage, use encounter's that do damage. Utility/healing/debuff isn't really something an HR should be doing unless you have a really, really specific role within a premade group of friends. (And I say this primarily because CW's and DC's are way, way better at debuff than a HR can ever hope to be.)


    Well yeah, you know...every bit helps. With my build I tend to stay way behind/far to maximize damage...lol like a HR Controller XD, so I tend to have a broader view of what's happening and decide what to do accordingly.
    Often diversifying targets, mowing down HP on one at half with aimshot, or splitting on one almost dead, so my co-runners can focus their skills without wasting CD for nothing.

    That's why I slot StS (that actually is quite nice for crowd-plowing when crits, making other peeps in the fray having less work to do), Stag as a DPS/little debuff that helps always to fasten the amount of time to subdue a boss (especially useful with many nasty aggros if the party decides to mainly focus on the boss). Of Course Stag as regen is a lol.

    Thorn Ward: it's meh as how it works (cmon one target at a time :( ) but provides nice DoT and debuff vs the elites.

    Boar: now this it's a bit silly but some percent of mitigation guess can't hurt, right? Also it's useful while tabbed. A prone can help let's say a CW with low hp that is being chased by an elite while he was focused on the boss. Happened: it's also decent damage :)
    • Halflingas The Great - Stormwarden HR(60)
  • jonkocajonkoca Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,586 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    This might sound a bit harsh on the pve ranger, but what I did to help my HR in pve was to roll a CW.

    She does the dungeons, and does them very well. Then, being a kind soul, gives all her AD to my HR to spend on all the expensive pvp stuff you need these days to be successful.

    At some point you've got to stop trying to push a square peg into a round hole.
    No idea what my toon is now.
  • ontiszontisz Member Posts: 110 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    jonkoca wrote: »
    This might sound a bit harsh on the pve ranger, but what I did to help my HR in pve was to roll a CW.

    She does the dungeons, and does them very well. Then, being a kind soul, gives all her AD to my HR to spend on all the expensive pvp stuff you need these days to be successful.

    At some point you've got to stop trying to push a square peg into a round hole.
    I am _not_ dropping my HR just because some Ghostcrawler™ made his way into devs team.
    Cool story, Bro.

    CWs were not buffed any more than any other class with the Power rework.
    Remove this wannabe from my sight this one instant.
    ...okay, please remove him.
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  • jonkocajonkoca Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,586 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Okay, you love your hr. I get that, love mine too, but he is absolutely specced and geared for pvp. He would suck terribly in a dungeon. In order to perfom reasonably in DD, he'd need a full respec to dps, and a whole new set of gear and enchants. And even then, with the best dungeon gear, he wouldn't beat out my CW, not even close. So what's the point..? I don't pvp with my CW for exactly the same reasons.

    People who try to spec somewhere in the middle, aiming at a ranger who's good in both pvp and pve, end up with a broken toon who gets killed by everything in both pve and pvp, and is thus a liability. Unfortunate but true, and since HRs are naturally better in pvp, makes sense to make them exclusively for pvp.
    No idea what my toon is now.
  • ontiszontisz Member Posts: 110 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    jonkoca wrote: »
    Okay, you love your hr. I get that, love mine too, but he is absolutely specced and geared for pvp. He would suck terribly in a dungeon. In order to perfom reasonably in DD, he'd need a full respec to dps, and a whole new set of gear and enchants. And even then, with the best dungeon gear, he wouldn't beat out my CW, not even close. So what's the point..? I don't pvp with my CW for exactly the same reasons.

    People who try to spec somewhere in the middle, aiming at a ranger who's good in both pvp and pve, end up with a broken toon who gets killed by everything in both pve and pvp, and is thus a liability. Unfortunate but true, and since HRs are naturally better in pvp, makes sense to make them exclusively for pvp.

    I will not abandon my main. And I will not be denied of a group slot because of messed up patches. I will overcome this bullshift of a devs' attitude.
    If you were too weak to keep playing HR, its your choice. But do not question my choices.
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    Mi-Ala Starbreeze : HR main. Best PVE HR out there, until someone proves me wrong.
    I've threatened Ghostcrawler and got permabanned at Blizzard forums.
    I went mad at PL "community" in SWTOR and got permabanned.
    Believe me, you don't want to see the tickets I used to sent to CCP. I got permabanned from EVE.
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    Cryptic, here I go.
    Lo and behold.
  • jonkocajonkoca Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,586 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Lol. Practicality, the great weakness of mankind. Fine looking toon. How much money did you spend on it btw..? Another benefit of CWs in pve is that they're cheap, HV armor, rank 7 enchants, lesser vorpal and soulforge and boom, that's all you need to top the paingiver and not worry about dying overmuch. Don't even need expensive weapons with a set bonus, or orange artifacts. 13.5k gs is more than you need, I sometimes run dungeons without trousers, just to show off my legs. ;)

    Anyway, I wish you all the best in your pve career, may the rng be kind to you.
    No idea what my toon is now.
  • thegrandexenothegrandexeno Member Posts: 239 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2014
    ontisz wrote: »
    I will not abandon my main. And I will not be denied of a group slot because of messed up patches. I will overcome this bullshift of a devs' attitude.
    If you were too weak to keep playing HR, its your choice. But do not question my choices.
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    ok saving the image for equip reference XD

    Btw Ont, don't you feel a little under defense'd? Or LS+Regen(? don't see) give you back what you're conceding in defense? I have 1.3k Def & 1.3k Deflect and I feel a LOT squishie :(

    Mind that atm I go with all blues (+3 Aboleth/purple but that's nothing to write home about)
    • Halflingas The Great - Stormwarden HR(60)
  • ontiszontisz Member Posts: 110 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    ok saving the image for equip reference XD

    Btw Ont, don't you feel a little under defense'd? Or LS+Regen(? don't see) give you back what you're conceding in defense? I have 1.3k Def & 1.3k Deflect and I feel a LOT squishie :(

    Mind that atm I go with all blues (+3 Aboleth/purple but that's nothing to write home about)

    Regarding low defenses: I do. However I am capable of healing myself to full within a second or two by laying a lucky RoA initial hit or scoring a fully charged Split shot at several enemies. Lifesteal boon does miracles. My Regen is quite low but 3.2k Lifesteal combined with that boon sometimes heal me for full 20k. Also fast-hitting RoA can keep me alive even when taking numerous fast hits in a row.
    There's also the big idea of so-called "endgame". In my VT farmruns I have overbuffed CWs to do their job on AOE trash. The only non-AOE fights out there are either MC 3rd boss (which is laughable) and Valindra herself. And you know, when you're capable of killing her without a cleric while not being a GWF or TR yourself... you know that you're doing it right.
    Also, I used to play MMO games where damage dealer classes are meant to Deal Damage, not Facetank Stuff. Even if this game has such flawed design in terms of threat and lack of proper tanking, I still cannot overcome myself and so I just stack maximum firepower. Shoot, then ask. Kill them before they kill you. Simple concept.
    Mi-Ala Starbreeze : HR main. Best PVE HR out there, until someone proves me wrong.
    I've threatened Ghostcrawler and got permabanned at Blizzard forums.
    I went mad at PL "community" in SWTOR and got permabanned.
    Believe me, you don't want to see the tickets I used to sent to CCP. I got permabanned from EVE.
    I was infuriated by the amount of autists in League of Legends and got permabanned. Twice.
    Cryptic, here I go.
    Lo and behold.
  • query523query523 Member Posts: 1,515 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Hmm we have close to the same build. Minus the rare artifacts on my HR. Works suprisingly well in the hands of a skilled player don't it?
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