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Best weapon enchantment for cws?

djoffer1djoffer1 Member Posts: 404 Arc User
edited December 2013 in The Library
Currently thinking about a terror or vorpal enchantment, but since i have pretty limited AD, i cant really afford to throw away 600k just to realise i should have bought something els:)

So yeah any advice? And currently i play 80% pve and 20 % pvp if that matters:)
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  • pers3phonepers3phone Banned Users, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Normal vorpal+ for PvP/PvE probably best. Bigger crits, more damage, more burst capability. Plaguefire/Terror is also cool if you want to help the party with an additional debuff. You might not do so much damage as vorpal CWs though, if you care about that.
  • djoffer1djoffer1 Member Posts: 404 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    pers3phone wrote: »
    Normal vorpal+ for PvP/PvE probably best. Bigger crits, more damage, more burst capability. Plaguefire/Terror is also cool if you want to help the party with an additional debuff. You might not do so much damage as vorpal CWs though, if you care about that.

    Okay thanks, one more thing btw just bought 4 lesser vorpals and a coal Wards, and was about to infuse them when i started to Wonder about the new enchantment system... Would it be cheaper to wait with the infusing after module 2 or cheaper now?
  • pers3phonepers3phone Banned Users, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I'm not 100% sure, but in the new system you can:

    - make 2 Normals from the 4 Lessers you have now, from 2 Normals you can refine a Greater later on...
    - it will take 2 Coals
    - it will also take 2xsome reagent, Greater Mark of *** something
    - you will also need to feed some serious number of vorpal shards (faster) into each lesser you upgrade or you could take your time and feed the with lower level runestones of all sorts and whatever refining stones you will find

    Best way is to copy your char and test things up. I personally heavily dislike both systems.
  • uurbsuurbs Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 449 Bounty Hunter
    edited December 2013
    IIRC, Terror only procs from the At-Wills. Therefore we use it on GWF/GFs.
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  • fondlezfondlez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    djoffer1 wrote: »
    Okay thanks, one more thing btw just bought 4 lesser vorpals and a coal Wards, and was about to infuse them when i started to Wonder about the new enchantment system... Would it be cheaper to wait with the infusing after module 2 or cheaper now?

    Given you already have the Lessers, you save at least the equivalent of one Lesser under Refinement if Shard prices and cost of Greater Mark of Potency (100,000 AD) remains the same. However, shard prices are likely to rise substantially under Refinement because there will always be a continuous use for them.

    So, buy up 16x cheapest non-Vorpal weapon shards now, if you have the 100k capital for Greater Mark of Potency.
  • jaotutjaotut Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 576 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    As you have limited ad, may we know how much? 100k? 500k? 1M?

    If you only have 100k, then you may be better off combining it to a normal vorpal now, but it will cost you more later on if you want to upgrade to greater vorpal.

    Assuming you will want to upgrade to greater vorpal later, then best to wait for module 2, and get any unneeded shards/enchantments/runestones and refining stones that you pick up from dungeons/quests, and use them as refining points to slowly upgrade the 4 lessers to 2 normal, and eventually the 2 normals to a greater. Each time you upgrade you'll need a coal ward, so keep that in mind, you can try your luck with the coffers, or have to buy them.

    As mentioned, upgrading requires catalysts @100k each (which I think can drop from dungeon bosses too), fusing from normal to greater, you'll need 2 of this.

    Also note you can slot a lesser vorpal in your orb now, and refine that while it's slotted. You can also remove it with gold (2.50 if it's unchanged when m2 becomes live) if you wish to take it out.
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  • crystal892fcrystal892f Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 385 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    pers3phone wrote: »
    Normal vorpal+ for PvP/PvE probably best. Bigger crits, more damage, more burst capability. Plaguefire/Terror is also cool if you want to help the party with an additional debuff. You might not do so much damage as vorpal CWs though, if you care about that.
    There is something I am wondering about: Is this still valid with the fixed PF?
    I ask mostly because I'm not sure if the resistance debuff of PF will stack also 3 times. Because if it does, I don't know why Vorpal is supposed to be better.

    Example: Icy Rays does non-crit 5000 damage (simplified). Default crit severity is 75%, so a crit would result in 5000 * 1,75 = 8750 damage.
    With a normal Vorpal (+25% crit severity), it would be 5000 * 2,00 = 10000 damage.
    But if the -30% resistance debuff (-10% of normal PF * 3 (IF it stacks)) is applied before Icy Rays (which isn't difficult with a DoT), a crit would result in: 8750 * 1,3 = 11141.
    Or am I missing something?
  • hidahayabusahidahayabusa Member Posts: 634 Bounty Hunter
    edited December 2013
    I am running an oppressor on PvP gear with Plaguefire and it's amazing. Wouldn't change it for vorpal.

    My PvE setup is tabbed Icy terrain (constantly active with PvP gear), Conduit of Ice,Chill Stike,Steal Time with Chilling Cloud and Ray of Ice (passives Storm Spell/Eye of the Storm). The damage is good and the CC is amazing. Plague fire also rocks with Icy terrain.

    Think about Plaguefire, because I think it's a very underrated enchantment usually overshadowed by cheesy Vorpal.

    P.S: In PvP it's fun to click RoI and dismount people :)
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  • grimahgrimah Member Posts: 1,658 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    plague is fixed, its only defense it reduces not mitigation. Also it doesnt seem to proc stormspell anymore from my preview tests.

    I would say plague fire and vorpal are pretty equal. you would do roughly 8% more damage with greater vorpal, but your team will all gain extra 9%. so its a toss up. Also plaguefire is alot more useful in pvp than it is pve. You cannot go wrong with either tbh!
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  • tokse2tokse2 Member Posts: 117 Bounty Hunter
    edited December 2013
    Is this still valid with the fixed PF?

    Is Plague Fire fixed?? Do you have a reference? (Very interested in this...)
  • crystal892fcrystal892f Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 385 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    grimah wrote: »
    plague is fixed, its only defense it reduces not mitigation. Also it doesnt seem to proc stormspell anymore from my preview tests.
    And EotS?
    grimah wrote: »
    Also plaguefire is alot more useful in pvp than it is pve!
    Why? This surprises me.
  • hidahayabusahidahayabusa Member Posts: 634 Bounty Hunter
    edited December 2013
    grimah wrote: »
    plague is fixed, its only defense it reduces not mitigation. Also it doesnt seem to proc stormspell anymore from my preview tests.

    I would say plague fire and vorpal are pretty equal. you would do roughly 8% more damage with greater vorpal, but your team will all gain extra 9%. so its a toss up. Also plaguefire is alot more useful in pvp than it is pve. You cannot go wrong with either tbh!

    Are you refering to Greater PF? I thought that greater wasn't working since it didn't stack to 3 debuffs but only one.

    As far as the utility of PF agaist vorpal, I would agree that they are both useful, but really, PF is so much better for your party that it simply can't compare. If a CW wants to come up on top of charts then I guess farming for Perfect Vorpal is the way to go. However, boosting the party's damage and doing more than enough damage yourself...then PF is what you'll need.

    I will verify that PF doesn't Proc Storm Spell but Icy terrain really makes the difference in PF/Storm Spell. Especially the tabbed PvP version actually means "fully debuffed group of mobs that will eventually freeze if tanked well for your party to feast upon".
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  • hidahayabusahidahayabusa Member Posts: 634 Bounty Hunter
    edited December 2013
    Why? This surprises me.

    It's not a lot more useful actually, it's just different.

    a) Click Ray of Ice and you insta dismount someone.
    b) It's actually much better when you are fighting Regen people since the damage lingers and you also debuff their Defense.

    But you can't really argue with G.Vorpal of P.Vorpal's lolcrits.

    So, it's not more useful, it's just different.
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  • grimahgrimah Member Posts: 1,658 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    in pvp because of the high defense some people have, namely those pesky GFs and GWFs. and supposedly the 3 stacks works on previvew, i havent done any extensive tests though, but someone else posted that it was working.
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  • pitshadepitshade Member Posts: 5,665 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    uurbs wrote: »
    IIRC, Terror only procs from the At-Wills. Therefore we use it on GWF/GFs.

    I just tested a normal Terror with shard, EF, CoI and CS (mastery). It applied the debuff on each power. CoI continuously refreshed it as well. This was on live server, in Sharandar over the course of several fights.
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  • vorphiedvorphied Member Posts: 1,870 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    GPF appears to be working based on my very brief test. Damage against Target Dummy with 3 GPF stacks was increased by ~9%. Yay! :)
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  • hidahayabusahidahayabusa Member Posts: 634 Bounty Hunter
    edited December 2013
    vorphied wrote: »
    GPF appears to be working based on my very brief test. Damage against Target Dummy with 3 GPF stacks was increased by ~9%. Yay! :)

    Great. Right now I am convinced that Plaguefire is the best weapon enchantment for PvE CWs. I am unsure about best for PvP, since I put my money on Vorpal for doing the job faster.

    However, I am loving the build with Icy terrain for fully debuffed mobs constantly while the dots are ticking.
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  • uurbsuurbs Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 449 Bounty Hunter
    edited December 2013
    pitshade wrote: »
    I just tested a normal Terror with shard, EF, CoI and CS (mastery). It applied the debuff on each power. CoI continuously refreshed it as well. This was on live server, in Sharandar over the course of several fights.
    O_o Thank you for the information. I'm going to double check that.
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  • pers3phonepers3phone Banned Users, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Very interesting to know about PF.

    I suppose I cannot be but happy when other CWs have it :P Makes my murdering mobs job even easier.

    But it's hard for me to give up on my nice vorpal. It makes all the sense in the world for me as a former WoW fire mage, with the big crits and everything :)
  • hidahayabusahidahayabusa Member Posts: 634 Bounty Hunter
    edited December 2013
    Yes! I get this comment from every group I've been using the tabbed IT/PF.
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