How fares cw on pc compared to consoles

fozbozjimjam

So I'm in one of the better guilds on ps4 and have daily chats with some members of top over guilds and all seem to come to same conclusion that its rare on the ps4 to see a high level cw.

In our guild we have only 6 cws out of 150 accounts three which are mains, only one at 3500 which is myself at 3850.

Every other cw that joins either quits the game or rerolls very early on to either gwf or sw

Now I've been running fbi succesfuly as renegade spec to provide fury buff and crit in 34 minute runs but if I was to spec ss thaum I wouldn't be allowed in the group as the dps seems to be no where near any of the other dps classes.


As buff spec I average around 220mill damage other classes gwf sw hr 370 ish. The runs are 10 mins faster if I'm fury specced then ss thaum. Even if I specced as thaum I can't keep up as single target is meh and the frostgiant grouping update hill is awful for our aoe


Now my question when playing on pc is the meta any different or is it buff spec or bust.

If cws on pc are rare as well?or there's some game changing thing I missing.

This post is in pure regards to fbi and not instances like cn and tos where cws can do just fine any specc

rjc9000

On PC, CW does quite well in terms of DPS and I know of quite a few amazing DPS CWs.

There are many CWs on PC, with our local mad scientist being a CW expert.

I have no clue why there's a lack of CW players on PS4. I would say that it's due to when the PS4 version launched*, but I might be oversimplifying it.

*The PS4 version launched after Mod6, right? If so, then you guys started playing CW in a time when the Control aspect of the CW wasn't needed. Given the rise of the Destroyer GWF in Mod6/7, many would hop onto the Destroyer GWF bandwagon for doing DPS.

jaime4312

fozbozjimjam#2557 said:

So I'm in one of the better guilds on ps4 and have daily chats with some members of top over guilds and all seem to come to same conclusion that its rare on the ps4 to see a high level cw.

In our guild we have only 6 cws out of 150 accounts three which are mains, only one at 3500 which is myself at 3850.

Every other cw that joins either quits the game or rerolls very early on to either gwf or sw

Now I've been running fbi succesfuly as renegade spec to provide fury buff and crit in 34 minute runs but if I was to spec ss thaum I wouldn't be allowed in the group as the dps seems to be no where near any of the other dps classes.


As buff spec I average around 220mill damage other classes gwf sw hr 370 ish. The runs are 10 mins faster if I'm fury specced then ss thaum. Even if I specced as thaum I can't keep up as single target is meh and the frostgiant grouping update hill is awful for our aoe


Now my question when playing on pc is the meta any different or is it buff spec or bust.

If cws on pc are rare as well?or there's some game changing thing I missing.

This post is in pure regards to fbi and not instances like cn and tos where cws can do just fine any specc

Console players usuaslly straight up copy paste builds from pc ones or at least learn from them as they're much better thanks to ACT (Advanced Combat Tracker) and other tools that help them understand the game in a much better way and therefore build much more powerful or useful toons. I may be wrong but I would be pc players aren't as casual as their console counterparts and probably older on average as well which makes up for a better community.

Cws can deal massive damage if specced correctly, especially those guys from pc.

I've seen some cws who have quite high dps (xbox 1), my poor hb fury sw alt got eaten for breakfast in fbi by one of them.

rjc9000 said:

On PC, CW does quite well in terms of DPS and I know of quite a few amazing DPS CWs.

There are many CWs on PC, with our local mad scientist being a CW expert.

I have no clue why there's a lack of CW players on PS4. I would say that it's due to when the PS4 version launched*, but I might be oversimplifying it.

*The PS4 version launched after Mod6, right? If so, then you guys started playing CW in a time when the Control aspect of the CW wasn't needed. Given the rise of the Destroyer GWF in Mod6/7, many would hop onto the Destroyer GWF bandwagon for doing DPS.

I think NW was releaaed for them with the mod 9 version. By local mad cientist you mean @thefabricant don't you? Lord The Tabricant, Señor Fabricant, Fabricant-sama xD Seriously though, he relly knows his stuff!

rjc9000

jaime4312#3760 said:

fozbozjimjam#2557 said:

So I'm in one of the better guilds on ps4 and have daily chats with some members of top over guilds and all seem to come to same conclusion that its rare on the ps4 to see a high level cw.

In our guild we have only 6 cws out of 150 accounts three which are mains, only one at 3500 which is myself at 3850.

Every other cw that joins either quits the game or rerolls very early on to either gwf or sw

Now I've been running fbi succesfuly as renegade spec to provide fury buff and crit in 34 minute runs but if I was to spec ss thaum I wouldn't be allowed in the group as the dps seems to be no where near any of the other dps classes.


As buff spec I average around 220mill damage other classes gwf sw hr 370 ish. The runs are 10 mins faster if I'm fury specced then ss thaum. Even if I specced as thaum I can't keep up as single target is meh and the frostgiant grouping update hill is awful for our aoe


Now my question when playing on pc is the meta any different or is it buff spec or bust.

If cws on pc are rare as well?or there's some game changing thing I missing.

This post is in pure regards to fbi and not instances like cn and tos where cws can do just fine any specc

Console players usuaslly straight up copy paste builds from pc ones or at least learn from them as they're much better thanks to ACT (Advanced Combat Tracker) and other tools that help them understand the game in a much better way and therefore build much more powerful or useful toons. I may be wrong but I would be pc players aren't as casual as their console counterparts and probably older on average as well which makes up for a better community.

Cws can deal massive damage if specced correctly, especially those guys from pc.

I've seen some cws who have quite high dps (xbox 1), my poor hb fury sw alt got eaten for breakfast in fbi by one of them.

rjc9000 said:

On PC, CW does quite well in terms of DPS and I know of quite a few amazing DPS CWs.

There are many CWs on PC, with our local mad scientist being a CW expert.

I have no clue why there's a lack of CW players on PS4. I would say that it's due to when the PS4 version launched*, but I might be oversimplifying it.

*The PS4 version launched after Mod6, right? If so, then you guys started playing CW in a time when the Control aspect of the CW wasn't needed. Given the rise of the Destroyer GWF in Mod6/7, many would hop onto the Destroyer GWF bandwagon for doing DPS.

I think NW was releaaed for them with the mod 9 version. By local mad cientist you mean @thefabricant don't you? Lord The Tabricant, Señor Fabricant, Fabricant-sama xD Seriously though, he relly knows his stuff!

Yes, the mad scientist is @thefabricant.

CW is a class which at least has a functioning kit, although the "C" in "CW" has become somewhat of a misnomer (unless the "C" refers to "Combat").

crowdsourced

PC players are much better at theorycrafting. I know that xbox players love watching streams and asking PC players for help on builds etc.

armadeonx

They are better at theorycrafting because they have the tools for it: Preview server for testing builds and ACT for analysing their output. They've also been around longer so have a greater experience pool.

In my experience a well built SS CW can out-do most classes in mobs (the larger the better) especially when there aren't long runs between groups, but others beat them on single target fights (i.e. bosses).

asterotg

One reason there are so many CWs on PC is/was HV-set. It would be wrong to ignore the fact, that for some time CW was the only class with a set providing a ~10% dmg buff with every control power applied to target. In the beginning this buff stacked between CWs. I heard of +90 stacks providing a 900% buff. Runs with 3 or 4 CWs were common.

From these times forward there was/is some bad blood from some long time players of other classes regarding CWs, 'the illuminati of NW'.^^

I play since beta and of the other guys playing this long at least 50% have or had a CW. SS thraum deal great dmg, MOF rene are great buffers, SS Rene are a nice mix and oppressor CW are hated in PvP. I think, that the difference between PC and console is, that CW started from a (very) good place on PC and still has a roll to play in endgame dungeons, while on console there were SW and GWF as top DDs and DCs as top support, to begin with.

crowdsourced

No there are plenty of CWs on PC. Most of them are old as well

niadan

Yes we are all old as <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>.

Some are even old and bald.

katamaster81899

asterotg said:

One reason there are so many CWs on PC is/was HV-set. It would be wrong to ignore the fact, that for some time CW was the only class with a set providing a ~10% dmg buff with every control power applied to target. In the beginning this buff stacked between CWs. I heard of +90 stacks providing a 900% buff. Runs with 3 or 4 CWs were common.

From these times forward there was/is some bad blood from some long time players of other classes regarding CWs, 'the illuminati of NW'.^^

I play since beta and of the other guys playing this long at least 50% have or had a CW. SS thraum deal great dmg, MOF rene are great buffers, SS Rene are a nice mix and oppressor CW are hated in PvP. I think, that the difference between PC and console is, that CW started from a (very) good place on PC and still has a roll to play in endgame dungeons, while on console there were SW and GWF as top DDs and DCs as top support, to begin with.

Eh, I wouldn't say that, the HP set was just as strong as HV when they still had bonuses. But I remember the 5 CW CN Split runs... oh do I miss those days...

mebengalsfan

PC vs Consoles players in general..

PC players tend to be more mature, have patience and even played good old D&D back in the day.

Console players are younger and many have no idea what Pen n Paper D&D is so there is that.

I'm not trying to state that all consoles players or PC players fall into those categories. However, what I stated above is a very broad stroke of generalization. The thing is though, in my experience on both platforms has shown me consoles players tend to be immature on average and always pursue the BEST or FotM things in games. PC players tend to be more mature and work at making their favorite character the best regardless if it gets adjusted or modify to be a weaker character.

I have seen both type on generalization on both platforms but the broad stroke above I would state is fairly accurate for about 50% of the population on each platform.

When NW dropped Soul Puppet SW was the bomb in damage. Since October many of players I played with who were SW quit due to the changes to SW. They simply wanted to be a top DPS and left when the class they played was adjusted to be a bit more inline with other classes.

Currently the new FotM classes are HR and GF. Now I created a GF a couple months before the update to tank for my guild. Well all my guild mates quit the game when the update hit therefore many players now when I play my GF send me tells stating I'm playing that character because it is a FotM class.

The funny thing is that I don't play the GF class to produce max damage. I play it to have fun and tank if I want to run some epic dungeons. Though mostly right now my DC and my GF are used for AD farming to help me buy items in the AH or save up to convert to zen so I can buy what I want form the zen store.