Current prize in enchantments and runestones rank 5!!

solbergx

I remember buying the 99 pack at 3-5k a few weeks ago, and now its at 25k, what might be causing this?
Is there a 2X refinement event coming or what?

vasiamen1

http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/neverwinter/news/detail/9923543-neverwinter:-upcoming-changes-to-skill-nodes

solbergx

I see, this aint good!!!

sm0ld3r

Of course it is good. This is what everyone wanted right? Getting rid of the bots was more important than fixing other issues in the game. Besides why isn't 25K for stacks of enchants good for the players?

wildfirede

r5 will go up but i think pets mounts and co will go down if this manages to harm bots (they run strongholds heroics now so lets see)

dioriel

who cares about pets and mounts when I can't get my item level high enough to get into groups without spending hundreds of dollars?

midnightita

dioriel said:

who cares about pets and mounts when I can't get my item level high enough to get into groups without spending hundreds of dollars?

ikr
bring back bots lol

wildfirede

having my artefacts on mythic i care

greywynd

dioriel said:

who cares about pets and mounts when I can't get my item level high enough to get into groups without spending hundreds of dollars?

You can buy r5's with Adventurers Seals.

urabask

greywynd said:

dioriel said:

who cares about pets and mounts when I can't get my item level high enough to get into groups without spending hundreds of dollars?

You can buy r5's with Adventurers Seals.

rofl.

Just for one mythic artifact you'll need ~4800. For each rank 12 enchantment you'll need ~900.

Good luck with that.

wildfirede

still better that than bots and price will fall back a little when this is over.

namelesshero347

wildfirede said:

having my artefacts on mythic i care

wildfirede said:

still better that than bots and price will fall back a little when this is over.

After taking full advantage of the bots, of course you would be against bots. Congratulations. The ladder has been pulled up. I am sure you and others like you are thrilled.

ianthewizard2012

greywynd said:

dioriel said:

who cares about pets and mounts when I can't get my item level high enough to get into groups without spending hundreds of dollars?

You can buy r5's with Adventurers Seals.

Now this is the first time I learn that there is this new seal. Thank you. Not sure if it was my own carelessness or the official blog was being uninformative.

regenerde

Well, time to sell any R5s i have flying around, before the prices fall again...

And that will probably happen soon after the update, unless the Devs choose a too low drop rate for
"Enchantments and Runestones" from "most critters in the world".

Edit: Prices allready dropped below 20k AD for a full stack.

wildfirede

sorry after readinf my comment again it sounds jerky and elitist.

What i had in mind:

Sure atm artefact upgrades will go up but mounts and companions will go down due to less boted AD = lowering of general prices = total AD for endgame char remains the same.

Yes it wont affect me - but had my refinement from leadership and dread ring mostly so i dont feel like a cheater.

Yes bots are bad. For everyone in a bigger picture.

subnocte

The entire economy is based on bots. Any changes they make that affects bots will cause extra massive grind for genuine players until the bots find an alternative.

szejhuludpuchacz

subnocte said:

The entire economy is based on bots. Any changes they make that affects bots will cause extra massive grind for genuine players until the bots find an alternative.

Ofc. Remember we need tons of RP, not doable for casual player who farm r5 for his own. AH came with help, cheap RP, but still many not hitted 3k il yet. Tip is you need at least legendary artifacts, higher level enchantments, reinforcement kits, artfact equipment epic-legendary to been wanted for zergs and other farm channels. Its easy to get 2-2.5k, but higher il cost time, which is good. But if you farm all by yourself 3k il is way harder, longer to acheive. Not resonable amount of time. But what could I know, I remember times when r5 was common in slots.

subnocte

szejhuludpuchacz said:

subnocte said:

The entire economy is based on bots. Any changes they make that affects bots will cause extra massive grind for genuine players until the bots find an alternative.

Ofc. Remember we need tons of RP, not doable for casual player who farm r5 for his own. AH came with help, cheap RP, but still many not hitted 3k il yet. Tip is you need at least legendary artifacts, higher level enchantments, reinforcement kits, artfact equipment epic-legendary to been wanted for zergs and other farm channels. Its easy to get 2-2.5k, but higher il cost time, which is good. But if you farm all by yourself 3k il is way harder, longer to acheive. Not resonable amount of time. But what could I know, I remember times when r5 was common in slots.

This is the problem - end game progression is completely reliant on grind and RNG, and that causes the demand for bots. Cryptic won't target the actual source of the botting problem (too much grind) and instead does stuff that only hurts real players, and just causes a massive hit on the economy while the bots raise their prices. The bots go nowhere, prices go up, the bots adjust, prices go down.

What Cryptic should be doing is reducing grind. Then people would not need bots. For example, replace all r5s with r7s in epic dungeons. Put a good chance of an r9 into epic dungeon chests. Put the chance of an r10 into Tiamat. Since all this stuff is the end game, reward players for playing it rather than giving them a bit of AD to buy from bots.

wildfirede

Now you hit the nail So if by some magic bots dissapeared grinding would be reduced couse else players will simply abandon the game.


Current: need shtload of RP:
Solutions:
a) embrace bots - cheap RP.
b) reduce RP needed to progress/make it more available.
c)ignore situation and watch players leave.

i somehow think b>a>c

solbergx

subnocte said:

szejhuludpuchacz said:

subnocte said:

The entire economy is based on bots. Any changes they make that affects bots will cause extra massive grind for genuine players until the bots find an alternative.

What Cryptic should be doing is reducing grind. Then people would not need bots. For example, replace all r5s with r7s in epic dungeons. Put a good chance of an r9 into epic dungeon chests. Put the chance of an r10 into Tiamat. Since all this stuff is the end game, reward players for playing it rather than giving them a bit of AD to buy from bots.

I like this idea!!!

voidgift

I gotta say I like the idea of dungeons being rewarding again. There was a time you had a fair chance of dropping something you could actually sell at AH and feel damn happy about the time spent. I had no problem running the old T2 dungeons and CN over and over again. It was the stuff in the chest that was the driving force. I am not running head over heals for a 0% chance of getting a +5 ring that cannot be sold.

sleepy725

Lol Welcome to xbone 1. I wish rank 5s were 25k a stack, I would all ready have mythics. Yall have it so much better than Xbox.

lirithiel

sleepy725 said:

Lol Welcome to xbone 1. I wish rank 5s were 25k a stack, I would all ready have mythics. Yall have it so much better than Xbox.

Yeah with a 135 Zen to AD ratio on Xbox I wouldn't be so quick to talk.

sleepy725

null
Lol try 300 plus for at least a month. Good try

jaysun1977

sleepy725 said:

null

Lol try 300 plus for at least a month. Good try

Compared to our 480?

szejhuludpuchacz

PC version is here since 3 years, xbone is fresh. In the past r5 stack costed alot more. But it wasnt so much needed (only fr high level enchants) when there was 0 or 1 artifact. Then they added 3 artifact slots and some time ago 4th.

We need rp for gear AND for SH progression. So yeah. Its succesful fight against bots (binding things not help players - if someone is maxed he should be able to sell overflow rp) with all real instruments implemented AND halving or even bigger reduction on rp needed for upgrades.

plasticbat

SH does not need RP anymore because that can be made through profession.
For personally consumption, you can make your RP if you can take the time.

The announcement of skill node nerf would not cause the raise of enchantment price that much.
At least, it should not have direct effect until it is actually in effect.
I believe the raise of enchantment price is caused by shortage of supply which is caused by a few big sellers (bots) were banned.

sleepy725

null
Lol 480? Yall have bots and yall had forge. You also had the leadership chains longer than us. As well as the chance to get coal wards from the t bar store. Better gear for companions.

wildfirede

so get a pc amd come here game is free

lirithiel

wildfirede said:

so get a pc amd come here game is free

LOL. Best. Advice. Ever.

deathbeez

The RP grind is absurd and has gotten worse.
They've nerfed RP drops like the dragon horde enchant, foundry, mod 7/8 dropless areas.
They have not increased the usability or lowered the price of RP in the item shop: Blood rubies haven't been usable in 4 mods and are overpriced and pointless.

So honestly, I think this game would be more broken without the bots.
The maintainers of this game are very much out of touch with their player-base and most decisions come from a bean-counter perspective and give little value to keeping long-time players interested.