Are we ever going to see the mod 5 items again?

antwo91

Unfortunately I did not realize the necessity and usefulness of older level 60's set bonuses.
High prophet to be example, since I am a de-buff dc.
I've had the set before but salvaged and even sold it not knowing that it will never be available ever again.
Since the prices are extremely high and gear becoming non-attainable, I was wondering if we are ever going to get the chance to earn such gear again.
I remember in mod 5, after completing Tiamate that T1 and T2 gear dropped as a reward and was even available through the chest.
I'm recommending that this concept be reapplied with the older mod 5 set pieces, so those who did not save or just recently started playing the game can have that opportunity to earn mod 5 gear again.
I think this will help revamp Tiamate and gives players more of a means to attempt this raid.
I'd like to hear any and all feedback (delvs), and hopefully we will see some mod 5 gear soon.

thejawlives

I would too..maybe mod 10 returning all dungeons with all the gear we used to have in Mod 4 and 5 with a T3 difficulty.

High Vizor 2.0!

firepats12

Glad I saved all my top level MOD5 gear. I just felt that the set bonuses were too good, and may come in handy somewhere down the road. I have the top set for each class, except for Pally of course.

kuero21

I don't know why you want this obsolete gear back, it's not useful. Some of the set bonuses are kind of nice others are just meh. Anyway they are all lacking of hp.
Tanks cannot use it at all without getting one shotted by even the weakest minion.

I still have the old gear for GWF and DC (due to the bugged set titles and the way they look). GWF sets aren't usable either due to their lack of HP and dmg stats.
For clerics it's the same. They all lack of hp and other important stats. High prophets set only applies on hits and only for 4 seconds, beside it needs to stack up. Also it's decreases the "armor" by 30%. I'm not sure what this means, if armor means defense then it's meh, considering for example that 30% of 6k defense is 2k which is -5% dmg resistance, wow 5%. If armor means armor class (average ~25AC) then it's also ~5% dmg resistance decreased.
I never understood why people liked the high prophet set that much, in my opinion it's complete garbage.
You are giving up a lot of hit points and survivability when wearing that outdated set, you will get one shotted easily and a dead cleric cant heal nor debuff, it's absolutely not worth it giving up that much stats only to decrease foes dmg resistance by ~5%. Considering that it's the job of DPS characters to deal as much dps as possible, it's also their job to gather up enough armor penetration, so ~60% (I guess it's ~80% for Tiamat and demogorgon).

The old draconic set looks more tempting in my opinion (+20% healing).

I don't know what the set bonuses for the other classes are but I'll bet they are as useles.

zephyriah

kuero21 said:

I don't know why you want this obsolete gear back, it's not useful. Some of the set bonuses are kind of nice others are just meh. Anyway they are all lacking of hp.
Tanks cannot use it at all without getting one shotted by even the weakest minion.

I still have the old gear for GWF and DC (due to the bugged set titles and the way they look). GWF sets aren't usable either due to their lack of HP and dmg stats.
For clerics it's the same. They all lack of hp and other important stats. High prophets set only applies on hits and only for 4 seconds, beside it needs to stack up. Also it's decreases the "armor" by 30%. I'm not sure what this means, if armor means defense then it's meh, considering for example that 30% of 6k defense is 2k which is -5% dmg resistance, wow 5%. If armor means armor class (average ~25AC) then it's also ~5% dmg resistance decreased.
I never understood why people liked the high prophet set that much, in my opinion it's complete garbage.
You are giving up a lot of hit points and survivability when wearing that outdated set, you will get one shotted easily and a dead cleric cant heal nor debuff, it's absolutely not worth it giving up that much stats only to decrease foes dmg resistance by ~5%. Considering that it's the job of DPS characters to deal as much dps as possible, it's also their job to gather up enough armor penetration, so ~60% (I guess it's ~80% for Tiamat and demogorgon).

The old draconic set looks more tempting in my opinion (+20% healing).

I don't know what the set bonuses for the other classes are but I'll bet they are as useles.

If you are not sure what it means you should ask rather than make blanket statements that it is not worthwhile. It doesn't work like the tooltip seems to indicate or your interpretation. It is far from useless.

The way High Prophet actually works is that it increases damage from all sources (each player) by 10% per stack, so it boosts damage by 30% with all three stacks up. The 4 sec limit is not important since there is no cooldown. You start building the next stack as soon as one expires. In large groups, like HEs and dragonflight the benefits of High Prophet to the group is very significant.

A Plaguefire (even more defense reduction) and Soulforged (one free resurrect) using Divine Oracle High Prophet Haste Cleric with foresight slotted is a monster at boosting a group's damage and well worth the risk of lower survivability. A little more attention to defensive stats and hit points can help mitigate some of the survivability issues.

armadeonx

It's probably fair to say that without a bubble pally, the High Prophet set would be unviable, but with almost complete invulnerability, the low HP & defence is not much of an issue.

adinosii

For High Prophet to be really useful you need hit points from other sources, like boons and enchants. Once you have 60-70k you should be fine for most content. I do not recommend it for eDemo, but I use it all the time for Dragonflight, the dragon heralds and Tiamat, for example.

firepats12

High Prophet running ELOL....easy peasy lemon squeezey.

kuero21

zephyriah said:

kuero21 said:

I don't know why you want this obsolete gear back, it's not useful. Some of the set bonuses are kind of nice others are just meh. Anyway they are all lacking of hp.
Tanks cannot use it at all without getting one shotted by even the weakest minion.

I still have the old gear for GWF and DC (due to the bugged set titles and the way they look). GWF sets aren't usable either due to their lack of HP and dmg stats.
For clerics it's the same. They all lack of hp and other important stats. High prophets set only applies on hits and only for 4 seconds, beside it needs to stack up. Also it's decreases the "armor" by 30%. I'm not sure what this means, if armor means defense then it's meh, considering for example that 30% of 6k defense is 2k which is -5% dmg resistance, wow 5%. If armor means armor class (average ~25AC) then it's also ~5% dmg resistance decreased.
I never understood why people liked the high prophet set that much, in my opinion it's complete garbage.
You are giving up a lot of hit points and survivability when wearing that outdated set, you will get one shotted easily and a dead cleric cant heal nor debuff, it's absolutely not worth it giving up that much stats only to decrease foes dmg resistance by ~5%. Considering that it's the job of DPS characters to deal as much dps as possible, it's also their job to gather up enough armor penetration, so ~60% (I guess it's ~80% for Tiamat and demogorgon).

The old draconic set looks more tempting in my opinion (+20% healing).

I don't know what the set bonuses for the other classes are but I'll bet they are as useles.

If you are not sure what it means you should ask rather than make blanket statements that it is not worthwhile. It doesn't work like the tooltip seems to indicate or your interpretation. It is far from useless.

The way High Prophet actually works is that it increases damage from all sources (each player) by 10% per stack, so it boosts damage by 30% with all three stacks up. The 4 sec limit is not important since there is no cooldown. You start building the next stack as soon as one expires. In large groups, like HEs and dragonflight the benefits of High Prophet to the group is very significant.

A Plaguefire (even more defense reduction) and Soulforged (one free resurrect) using Divine Oracle High Prophet Haste Cleric with foresight slotted is a monster at boosting a group's damage and well worth the risk of lower survivability. A little more attention to defensive stats and hit points can help mitigate some of the survivability issues.

Well, it's not my fault if the devs can't write a proper tooltip. I'm able to read and to interpret, skills that are worthwhile.

My first character was a healer. I have had and tried all clerics sets back in the time when I still was new to the game. At that time I had no guild and was keep pugging with other newbies. I used high prophet back then and did not notice any difference.
My cleric is also a debuff cleric and although I have a guild by now I'm still keep pugging. Some times I get a team of squishies that all have an IL of 1.6k, although I'm buffing the h3ll outta them I'm usually not noticing much of a or even any difference in dmg output. Same thing happened when I tried out the high prophet set, due to this I just dumped this set and found the T2 miracle healer/ draconic sets to be the best.

But if high prophet really works as you are saying then this set is totally overpowered if compared to all other T1 and T2 sets which are not even as near as good.

Edit: I just checked my bank account and I still have the high prophet chest. I kept it for appearance reasons. Anyway English is not my native language and I'm playing the game in my native (German). In German the tooltip says that if you hit a target its defense is reduced by 10% (stacks up to 3 times) and last for 4 seconds.

This is not the first time though that something like this happens. I have read every quest, each piece of knowledge and every skill description and the German game is full of grammar and translation mistakes.
For example the empowered version of break the spirits indicates that the dmg buff only triggers when you used the divine version of break the spirit before.
This is why I'm always referring to the original English tooltip.

zephyriah

armadeonx said:

It's probably fair to say that without a bubble pally, the High Prophet set would be unviable, but with almost complete invulnerability, the low HP & defence is not much of an issue.

In Epic dungeons to some degree, but for Dragonflight, Dragon Heralds, and other major HEs it is not really an issue. A DC fights from a distance and has a decent dodging ability. A High Prophet Cleric is a specialist designed for Boss and other high hitpoint single target fights. For general open world and trash mobs, we often switch to an alternate armor set.

There are many things that can make it more viable besides a bubble pally. Increase HP and other defensive stats I mentioned earlier. An example that many do not even consider is an Owl companion slotted for its active bonus. Reducing threat, normally not even a consideration to a DC, can be beneficial as a component in the solution.

armadeonx

Ah your right, I never think about threat reduction as my DC has 13k+ defence & 100k HP - we also have that passive for it. I can't remember what it's called as I've never used it xD

zman81420

The GF Knights captain set is also an ungodly set. If only I had kept mine...... Hindsight is a mother.

zephyriah

zman81420 said:

The GF Knights captain set is also an ungodly set. If only I had kept mine...... Hindsight is a mother.

Well, there is a chance that you might see it again. Probably slight, but a chance. Some of the T2 sets are returning in the Maze Engine mod and it has been said by a developer in the preview discussions that they are considering bringing back some others, but possibly only for transmutes.

destrowod

Personally i still have my armor of insanity from my GF, first armor i ever bough back then, i remember how proud i was that i finally didn't look like HAMSTER anymore. And i remember how it (at the time) felt like i broke the bank for it lol.

I only keep it for transmute if one day i feel like it.

zman81420

If I had a high prophet running with me jeez man I boost group DPS 100-120% with my ITF encounter. It would be even sicker with a DC rocking this set.

armadeonx

No more bubble remember? You won't be able to run these sets any more. Any enemy sneezes at you and you're dead.

indylol

You don't need bubble to run the old sets. I've actually found PvE more fun running my KC set again.

armadeonx

Lol I was of course referring to mortals, not a 5 man LGPG

firepats12

There is no way a group of 5 wearing Mod5 gear will be beating anything, whether its PTW LGPG or not.

thesax55

I run my High Prophet's all the time and no I don't run with a bubble 24/7 I hate running with a bubble give me a GF anyday with ITF.

Having 45k HP is not a problem for me if I'm playing with a good GF that knows how to keep hate. This meta with bubbles and haste have made many people lazy and some newbies never decided to learn how to dodge red and seems like it made some old players forget how to dodge.