Coffer box gem donation targets are rediculously high.

zacoria1405

How are medium and smaller guild supposed to hit these targets? For instance warehouse 3 52K, warehouse 4 102K, Guildhall 9 118K. The value of gems is so small in relation to these high targets, any suggestions on how to speed up the process with this would be most welcome. My guild are all working hard but it's like we have come to a standstill with the gem donations.

zephyriah

zacoria1405 said:

How are medium and smaller guild supposed to hit these targets? For instance warehouse 3 52K, warehouse 4 102K, Guildhall 9 118K. The value of gems is so small in relation to these high targets, any suggestions on how to speed up the process with this would be most welcome. My guild are all working hard but it's like we have come to a standstill with the gem donations.

If you are at Guildhall 8, you are way ahead of the curve. Most medium to small guilds are lower. There are PC guilds just getting to 8 and they had this months before us. Stronghold was designed to be a long term thing.

Prices will be dropping significantly in a short time when the Maze Engine drops. Hits PC tomorrow, we should probably get it 6 - 8 weeks later in late April or early May.

zman81420

Well our biggest help was running Dragon Flight 21 times per week but now they ruined that for everyone. Those vouchers were a substantial help to our progressing. We are near GH 12 and it's a ridiculous grind.

zman81420

I've read also that due to lack of interest PC stronghold pricing are or have been reduced. But since we are such different games (laughs) we probably won't be granted this by the developers.

armadeonx

Yeah but the value for enchantments is just ridiculously low - they really need to increase the points they give - like quadruple at least.

googoots

Our guild has a lot of companion kits in the bank waiting for a double event. There was one planned a few weeks ago, but you know, that one kind of disappeared

sundance777

I wish we were stuck at 8, many guilds are not that far along yet.

oldschoolpop

The only help we have found is one of our guild bought another guild bank slot and dedicated it to gem-only, everyone deposits gems, once a day he refines them into higher levels, eventualy making them level 12 whichcounts 42,000 in coffer. Bank slot is deposit only

wdj40

googoots said:

Our guild has a lot of companion kits in the bank waiting for a double event. There was one planned a few weeks ago, but you know, that one kind of disappeared

I looked at the upcoming events today and there is a double Enchant in a couple of days time... Then double AD is on the horizon etc, unless any of them get changed though.

destrowod

My problem with Gems is that they are much needed in the process of leveling up a character. My 2 characters have 1 orange artifact each with the rest being purple. All i donate to the guild coffer is stuff removed from me that i could had used during the double refinement and could have help me greatly. A stack of 99 rank 5 is not that easy to come for me, its weeks of playing and stockpiling, yet into the coffer it barely make a difference. I see it make much more of a difference on my artifact so its double depressing. The coffer should had been only using campaign stuff, gold and other stuff like that, you know the stuff we have no other use for (we keep running the quest for refinements etc). Asking people to donate AD and gems is sooo a slap in the face to me, especially how hard it comes. If only at least AD could be given as unrefined, but not even that.

I said it before, but Stronghold as a whole is the worst expension i saw for a game, a pure scam of money making. Do i sound harsh? All it gives is boons. Good ones sure, but remember those Boons take forever to achieve, and they are not guarenteed to you. If for x reason you leave a guild, there gone, all the hardwork is waste, compare to at least the work you put on your character that STAY. And the rest... no customization of any kind. How could would it had been to be able to decorate your stronghold, personalize it. Our houses on Skyrim have more personality and personal touch than this... There could had been a library, an armory, a trophy room, stuff like that. We can't even go inside !!! We call it guild hall but there is no hall at all, its just the exterior part... Unless the interior open up eventually but i doubt it. My guild is rank 12 or so now, and its not the case.

Stronghold also have divided gamers, destroy the friendship aspect of the game. Before SH people wanted to be in a guild because they liked each other. They wanted to have people cool to play with, they didn't care about the rest, all that matered was help and friendship and of course being active. Now a lot of guild just care about interchanging "grunts" that will do there quota. People change so much that i barely have time to make any friendship with anyone... You have to have wallet warriors in a guild too to be able to reach a decent level... And again this cause problems, as the wallet warriors have a feeling they do all the work, when in fact the "normal free to play" players do all they can to help but just can't follow.

When i say free to play, of course i don't mind droping a 5-10$ here and there to a reasonable ammount, im not saying we should all play for free, as the devs do need money to stay afloat. But that 10$ i drop, i want it to help my character, so at least it stay to me for sure... To be "competitive" in SH you need to drop hudnreds if not thousands of $. And i could go on and talk of the monotony of doing HE in the stronghold every day... so tedious and boring, but you need that influence...

Yup, not a fan of this expension at all. If the guild would understand that look, building is cool and all, but you don't need to continually build. Who care if you spend a week stale? In due time the guild will make it... I would rather personally make it to maximum (if there is a maximum... cause i feel they gonna increase this thing a lot of time to keep us paying..) with the same people i started the adventure and became friend, then a bunch of strangers that joined down the road becasue they where attracked by the boons...

A guild, a clan, should be a virtual family, not a mercenary group that come "work" because it satisfy there need...

zak3056

On PC, a stack of rank 5s goes for like 1k AD due to botting. It's not worth bothering with the feeder artifact system for them, because 10mil RP can just be bought on the trade house for peanuts. That is almost certainly why the gems targets are so high,, and, just like leadership nerfs, xbox gets to take it in the shorts because of the bots we don't even have on our platform.

The truly sad part is that none of the mod9 strongholds adjustments affect gem targets. You can make gem vouchers with professions (which means giving up the thaum and res stones you're getting from leadership today, or yo ucan stop making unifieds, or whatever) and Siege and Dragonflight can drop purple vouchers, but it's still going to suck.

destrowod

That explain Zak.. this again is something they should adress. On xbox we are not like on PC.. a 99x Rank 5 Enchantement lot is certainly not 1K AD LOL.

Im glad the xbox version is a bit more legit, but its sad to be on the receiving end of the PC cheating while it should not be the case as it does not concern us.

As you put it, even if we can make gem voucher... thats the refinement im not getting from leadership... along with having to manage upgrading other professions too between this ... and so on...

armadeonx

Well as the devs have stated, parity is not always sensible & can be sidestepped when it suits them.

indylol

The Strongholds coffer values are fine. A truely small guild should take 1-2 years to complete Mod7, and a hardcore guild can get it done in 5-6. Months. I think the best advice is don't look at other guilds and gauge your progress against yours because chances are they went through alot of struggles to hit GH13+ so quickly.

firepats12

indylol said:

The Strongholds coffer values are fine. A truely small guild should take 1-2 years to complete Mod7, and a hardcore guild can get it done in 5-6. Months. I think the best advice is don't look at other guilds and gauge your progress against yours because chances are they went through alot of struggles to hit GH13+ so quickly.

I agree with you here. The only point I'll add is that, guilds that reached GH13+ so quickly most likely did so due to buying 3rd party AD. That's why there were SO many banned players from the "top" guilds.

indylol

@firepats12#3687

Guilds that got that far were simply active and tried. Smaller guilds can try blaming 3rd party AD but realistically if you had an active roster of 150 people, you wouldn't have problems filling your coffer.

The bans were due to a poorly crafted algorithm, thats why nearly every ban they sent out was overturned.

zak3056

Indy, I think your math is a bit off. If a 150 player hardcore guild takes 6 months, then a 30 player hardcore guild would take two and a half years at a minimum. A 30 player casual guild will be lucky if they EVER complete the content.

firepats12

indylol said:

@firepats12#3687



Guilds that got that far were simply active and tried. Smaller guilds can try blaming 3rd party AD but realistically if you had an active roster of 150 people, you wouldn't have problems filling your coffer.



The bans were due to a poorly crafted algorithm, thats why nearly every ban they sent out was overturned.

So, are your implying that none of the people who were banned bought 3rd party AD? Or that none of them deserved to be banned? Okay, whatever you say.

armadeonx

I know a player who received 2 suspensions and he told me he bought AD. I know another who also admitted it and he's now 4k IL and never received a suspension.

mrimsogood

I got a suspension and I'm not in top guild nor am I a top player

firepats12

I never said everyone who got suspended was in a top guild lol

zacoria1405

Just to get my thread back on track here, it's about the gem donation targets and not suspensions.

thefiresidecat

destrowod said:

That explain Zak.. this again is something they should adress. On xbox we are not like on PC.. a 99x Rank 5 Enchantement lot is certainly not 1K AD LOL.

Im glad the xbox version is a bit more legit, but its sad to be on the receiving end of the PC cheating while it should not be the case as it does not concern us.

As you put it, even if we can make gem voucher... thats the refinement im not getting from leadership... along with having to manage upgrading other professions too between this ... and so on...

yeah, but it looks like it should be a fairly fast task with a purple worker. just do a full house of gem vouchers once a day and it should be golden. a couple hours out of your leadership tasks is all.

destrowod

Thats always assuming we are all maximized, have everything at lev 25, and have nothing to work for us personally. I mean i just finished (or should i say ALMOST) my Boons for my second and final character in sharandar. He is now my main too as my first character was not satisfaction enough for me(GF). All i have to do is wait to get more blue thingy and then i can get the final boon. So now all i get (vibrant seeding, charms etc) can go to the coffer.

Ok cool... but thats assuming i want to run AGAIN a thing i did already hundred of times and im dead tired of doing... Thats assuming ill have the patience to run every quest into every sub region of Sharandar... HELL NO !!

Sure i want the T.stones, don't get me wrong, but running all of those quest is taking time and is BORING, so yeah i will try to run at least 1 sub region a day to help the guild, but again its forcing us to play to do stuff we don't want to.

Right now, i have a lot of free time, so i can afford it, and i have not that many other games to play, but soon ill have new games, and therefore my playtime on NW will drop, so obviously i won't be able to run that much stuff. Granted they said in my guild after GH13 they are gonna slow down on power building. Thanks god cause i am having enough already. How many time can you do the same thing and enjoy it again? Even if i would sleep with Megan Fox or Scarlett Johanson every night i think eventually i would get bored out of it (lol)

So yeah this is in part why lately the game have took a toll on me. I think i am finally burned bad of it and after power building is finish, and that 2XRP and 2xAD have pass, i hope i am gonna be 3000 IS and then i may take a big break from the game til next content. I mean ill still play an hour per day or so, but ill do what I WANT and will have fun again.

Thing is, even Underdark content kinda bore me and its just been out. Its so ... repetitive. Prophecy is long and tedious. Doing DHE is just the same thing again and again. The Epic Demo battle is fun, but so many bad players screw it that i am getting tired of running it, it infuriate me to see them not even try to get Goristo into Yellow or open blue portals in phase 1.

Anyway... Maze engine from what i heard will bring nice new content, even old dungeons i barely ever did them so they will feel new to me, so why not...

I think really if the 1000 dragon kills (wich im only at 62%) and the obvious knowing that they will add new achievements for maze was not there, i think i would be done with the game... No matter how much you can enjoy a game, at some point when it become work and chores... its not fun anymore. And obviously SH have bring this to the game, much highter than personal character building that take way less time...

armadeonx

So which profession gives gem vouchers?

zephyriah

armadeonx said:

So which profession gives gem vouchers?

Alchemy has 1 level 17 task and Jewelry has 4 total at levels 4, 10, 17, 23. Each of these can only be run one at a time, not up to 3 like most crafting tasks.