Playing Neverwinter is starting to feel like a job

helix

At first its fun, like "finally I am working!" But, after awhile it becomes a constant grind, little return, dead end feeling. It's especially that when trying to run and advance a guild. Maze Engine better make some positive changes or there may be another round of players heading for the exits.

=(

helix

Oh yeah. Constant complaining to management but nothing ever done about it.

zibadawa

leonidas#6308 said:

At first its fun, like "finally I am working!" But, after awhile it becomes a constant grind, little return, dead end feeling. It's especially that when trying to run and advance a guild. Maze Engine better make some positive changes or there may be another round of players heading for the exits.

=(

Well they're reducing certain stronghold costs, some by a lot, and in return they're substantially upping the cost of a BiS mount.

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silence1x

MMOs can be defined as "Grind-centric games". That's just the way it is. Take a break if it becomes too much. I did (for 6 months) and while I hate playing catchup, it has done wonders for my enjoyment - NW is fun again.

silverkelt

Its not that bad , other then RP for artifact weapons, that is just a little over the top, there is some relief I think coming next mod though.

The other issue is pvp, there just isnt enough players to play to queue under 3k.. which leaves A LARGISH gap between 2k -3kish players and even then... a 2k player is getting wiped by a 2.7kish player.

I dont know how to fix that other then.

A. make a non gear centric pvp queue system
B. make a unlimited pvp queue.

A. rewards seals, banners, glory and AD as currently designed.
B. doubles the AD reward, and starts at 3k entry (at present) to enter.

There is no class balance that can be done , to make a 2.1k player be able to pvp with a 3.2k i level player.

santralafax

silverkelt said:

Its not that bad , other then RP for artifact weapons, that is just a little over the top, there is some relief I think coming next mod though.

The other issue is pvp, there just isnt enough players to play to queue under 3k.. which leaves A LARGISH gap between 2k -3kish players and even then... a 2k player is getting wiped by a 2.7kish player.

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There is no class balance that can be done , to make a 2.1k player be able to pvp with a 3.2k i level player.

Agreed. And even above 3K, there are few viable builds due to tenacity and SH boons. Anyone that is winning almost assuredly will have darks (or draconic, arpen-based) in offense and a wheel as their primary artifact (by and large). And they better be guilded.

There is no "bowling league" level of PVP anymore.

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zibadawa

silverkelt said:

There is no class balance that can be done , to make a 2.1k player be able to pvp with a 3.2k i level player.

This is a trivially easy thing to accomplish. Just cap and scale players to a common range. They just don't want to do it because the whales will be pissed that their massive advantage is rendered into a small advantage, and will hate how a tactically savvy set of former weaklings are now reasonable competition for their pre-made uber team.

regenerde

Yep.
Just play the game as long as you have fun. When the fun is gone, take a break from playing, or play something else.

Or just reduce your time in game to the absolute minimum:
+ grab your ViP lockbox key,
+ invoke,
+ log out and call it a day.

And while it looks like they gain more players with every new module, it also starts to feel like they are losing more players shortly after a new module too.
It's a constant up and down...
But at some point, some players might start to ask themself, why even bother returning with a new module... and then what?

adinosii

leonidas#6308 said:

At first its fun, like "finally I am working!" But, after awhile it becomes a constant grind, little return, dead end feeling. It's especially that when trying to run and advance a guild. Maze Engine better make some positive changes or there may be another round of players heading for the exits.

=(

I had this feeling back in 2014, and it resulted in me feeling completely burned out....eventually I took a year-long break from the game, and when I came back, I changed my focus.

I realized I don't have to do "everything". ...I do only what I enjoy and what I feel like doing on any particular day. I don't grind anything just to get what I need for a minuscule upgrade to my gear.

It is a game. It is supposed to be fun. It it feels like a job, maybe it is time to step back and reconsider things.

jonkoca

Helps if you set yourself a single reasonable goal per day/week. Eg.

Earn 100k ad. Then stop playing.

Level artifact X no. of levels. Then stop.

Play Y no. of pvp matches... etc.

If you look at the global difference between your character and the BiS guy, you'll just get overwhelmed by the grind.

plasticbat

jonkoca said:

Helps if you set yourself a single reasonable goal per day/week. Eg.

Earn 100k ad. Then stop playing.

Level artifact X no. of levels. Then stop.

Play Y no. of pvp matches... etc.

If you look at the global difference between your character and the BiS guy, you'll just get overwhelmed by the grind.

That makes it even more sounds like a job.

tinead51

I quit this job after MOD 6.

jonkoca

Lol. Yeah I suppose it does.

I'm just weird I guess, all my goals revolve around pvp gear, but if I'm honest, I spend like only 5% of my time actually in pvp dom, and all the broken stuff and crappy matchmaking make all my amazing gear useless anyway most of the time.

Hmm. Note to self: get a life.

rollingonit

Take a break, "benefit" of F2P you can leave and come back anytime. I put benefit in quotes cause youll come back in THIS game 50 million RP points behind.

Play something real casual.

Go outside, it's almost summer time. March madness is upon us. I think someone asked in a different thread where Ive been. Ive been watching football and basketball.

santralafax

magenubbie said:

As with PvP, they prefer the few big spenders over the many with smaller wallets. Anyone with a small degree of knowledge on economics and money-making knows the flaw in that plan: Unless you offer something extremely unique and desirable like say the equivalent of a Ferrari and keep innovating on that product, you will lose interest.

+1

kemnimtarkas

Starting to...? It's been more of a chore than anything since before the beginning of the year.

I'm finding it easier and easier to spend less time in game - I know I'm literally missing out on nothing...

and until mod 9 it will stay that way. I remember before mod 8 a lot of people were saying that if it (mod 8) wasn't great they'd bail. I'm hearing it again now pre-mod 9. That's a pretty cr***y pattern. Eventually I suspect I'll realize this is just a colossal waste of time and move on.

micky1p00

Why all of you typing here ?! Back into the game ! No internet surfing on the job !!!
No work ethic at all this days.

willson

leonidas#6308 said:

At first its fun, like "finally I am working!" But, after awhile it becomes a constant grind, little return, dead end feeling. It's especially that when trying to run and advance a guild. Maze Engine better make some positive changes or there may be another round of players heading for the exits.

=(

indeed. I can't wait for SH to finish.
As a leader I already have to manage daily DF, HE runs, pvp domination and doing campaign dailies. Now I have to manage to do Tiamat runs.
Just for the Stronghold.
I didn't care about new instances in epic forms but I screamed in joy for the SH cost reduction.

Can't wait to finish Stronghold and only play for myself for a change.
If ever will be an extension on Stronghold or something similar community campaign I will be gone on the first patch on preview...
They won't get me into this twice.

wylonus

well, good news, they dont fire you in this game.

plasticbat

willson#2163 said:

leonidas#6308 said:

At first its fun, like "finally I am working!" But, after awhile it becomes a constant grind, little return, dead end feeling. It's especially that when trying to run and advance a guild. Maze Engine better make some positive changes or there may be another round of players heading for the exits.

=(

indeed. I can't wait for SH to finish.
As a leader I already have to manage daily DF, HE runs, pvp domination and doing campaign dailies. Now I have to manage to do Tiamat runs.
Just for the Stronghold.
I didn't care about new instances in epic forms but I screamed in joy for the SH cost reduction.

Can't wait to finish Stronghold and only play for myself for a change.
If ever will be an extension on Stronghold or something similar community campaign I will be gone on the first patch on preview...
They won't get me into this twice.

They will have more community campaign and that could even happen before SH is done. Mark my words.
Food for thought. If SH is done, nothing to be built and the coffer is filled, how can you get guild mark?

micky1p00

plasticbat said:

willson#2163 said:

leonidas#6308 said:

At first its fun, like "finally I am working!" But, after awhile it becomes a constant grind, little return, dead end feeling. It's especially that when trying to run and advance a guild. Maze Engine better make some positive changes or there may be another round of players heading for the exits.

=(

indeed. I can't wait for SH to finish.
As a leader I already have to manage daily DF, HE runs, pvp domination and doing campaign dailies. Now I have to manage to do Tiamat runs.
Just for the Stronghold.
I didn't care about new instances in epic forms but I screamed in joy for the SH cost reduction.

Can't wait to finish Stronghold and only play for myself for a change.
If ever will be an extension on Stronghold or something similar community campaign I will be gone on the first patch on preview...
They won't get me into this twice.

They will have more community campaign and that could even happen before SH is done. Mark my words.
Food for thought. If SH is done, nothing to be built and the coffer is filled, how can you get guild mark?

Easy! temporary join my guild and donate everything ! ;p

plasticbat

micky1p00 said:

plasticbat said:

willson#2163 said:

leonidas#6308 said:

At first its fun, like "finally I am working!" But, after awhile it becomes a constant grind, little return, dead end feeling. It's especially that when trying to run and advance a guild. Maze Engine better make some positive changes or there may be another round of players heading for the exits.

=(

indeed. I can't wait for SH to finish.
As a leader I already have to manage daily DF, HE runs, pvp domination and doing campaign dailies. Now I have to manage to do Tiamat runs.
Just for the Stronghold.
I didn't care about new instances in epic forms but I screamed in joy for the SH cost reduction.

Can't wait to finish Stronghold and only play for myself for a change.
If ever will be an extension on Stronghold or something similar community campaign I will be gone on the first patch on preview...
They won't get me into this twice.

They will have more community campaign and that could even happen before SH is done. Mark my words.
Food for thought. If SH is done, nothing to be built and the coffer is filled, how can you get guild mark?

Easy! temporary join my guild and donate everything ! ;p

What if your guild also max out? I guess we all can create an alt guild and start from scratch.

willson

plasticbat said:

They will have more community campaign and that could even happen before SH is done. Mark my words.
Food for thought. If SH is done, nothing to be built and the coffer is filled, how can you get guild mark?

Yeah I heard that but I will be a goner that time!

tassedethe13

You can build a silly building and destroy it.

urlord283

best job I ever had

wylonus

simple, they need to add "Alliances", just like they used in Star trek online with fleets (guilds)/admirality (hosts of guilds work together for common cause).
basically large fleets to support smaller guilds.

josephskyrim

SH grind definitely feels like work to me. Yet I still go and do it.