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Is a TR worth it?

krithiumskrithiums Member Posts: 23 Arc User
in The Thieves' Den
Hello everyone.

I used to play NW but I'm back again, looking for a new challenge. It's good to see that the level cap was raised to 70.

I remember that TR's were good damage dealers and a bunch of fun if you knew how to handle them. Now I wonder,
Is this still the case?
I see quite a few people 'complaining' about TR's in general and I am wondering if it is still worthwhile to make one. I was thinking of making an exec build because of the high(er) damage output.
Also is gearing still 'as hard' as it used to be?

Would love to hear from you guys,
Cheers

p.s.
please don't throw all kind of crazy terms at me, consider me a noobie haha
True Story.
Last edited by ukatoenasni; Today at 06:09 AM. Reason: Grammar sucks before coffee.

Comments

  • scammerzascammerza Member Posts: 76 Arc User
    TR is still fun to play, although the playstyle has to be adjusted to suit your build/path. Executioner master infiltrator is good on dps and has great duelist flury bleeds. I'd just advise that you try to understand how to use your at-wills, encounter powers and stealth to maximise the effect/benefit of your feats. In t1/t2, I try to provide crowd control on enemies by using smoke bomb and dazing strike, which is still good for dps.

    Now with the last nerf on cw's spell storm, a decent tr can out dps a good cw. The lostmauth artufact equipment set is a good choice and good boost in dps as well. There are plenty of unskilled players roaming around LFG these days and I think it has impacted on some people's perceptions of the class. TR is probably not the best option for finding a party easily in LFG, for that i'd suggest GF/OP tank or DC healer :)

    Best of luck.



  • drkbodhidrkbodhi Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,378 Arc User
    Play what you want to play.

    I have always started a game with a Rogue main... so it is only natural to do the same here. Oddly enough I love playing my GF as well for the opposite reasons that I like playing my TR.

    TR's, as scammerza stated, are restricted to 3 or 4 builds that work (perma-stealth, encounters refill stealth MI or Wk Sab and MI Exec). We are no longer DPS only we had to adapt with M6. I do not know many TR's who PvE and don't use Smoke, Path of Blades, Blitz or Daze along with LB.

    There are some people who are doing some serious experimentation...
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  • scammerzascammerza Member Posts: 76 Arc User
    TR taught me how to dodge effectively in NW :D
  • quspivquspiv Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,087 Arc User
    I wouldnt recommend it. TR have very limited semi-viable options and require expensive dps items to get results. If you dont have lot's of AD or $ to spend, i'd recommend some Tank or Healing class. If you want all around dps go CW.
  • drkbodhidrkbodhi Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,378 Arc User
    quspiv wrote: »
    I wouldnt recommend it. TR have very limited semi-viable options and require expensive dps items to get results. If you dont have lot's of AD or $ to spend, i'd recommend some Tank or Healing class. If you want all around dps go CW.

    Not always true.
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  • blag001blag001 Member Posts: 201 Arc User
    TR for life!
  • karakla1karakla1 Member Posts: 1,355 Arc User
    I can out DPS equaly and better equipped CWs with my MI Saboteur so i wouldn't say it is a low DPS class and aa TR you are necessary in ecc to make the run more enjoyable.
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  • quspivquspiv Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,087 Arc User
    karakla1 wrote: »
    I can out DPS equaly and better equipped CWs with my MI Saboteur so i wouldn't say it is a low DPS class and aa TR you are necessary in ecc to make the run more enjoyable.

    On a single target that isnt moving much and without being forced to dodge any aoes? maybe, but on a group of enemies, or bosses like Valindra which ports right and left + drop aoes in melee range, no way. Sometimes there's so much aoes in melee range that you just cant do any melee attacks. This is very noticel dps lose when you have to stop 3rd strike of DF over and over again, because f.cking dragon decided to channel his fire breath. If you dont stop, you will die to aoe cause of stupid design which causes you to go inside the target.

    CW suffer very little penalties and can sustain his dps much easier.
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  • karakla1karakla1 Member Posts: 1,355 Arc User
    That is right, in some Dungeons i have less damage but it isn't as significant as you think it would be.
    ECC is a good example why you need a TR. Most groups die if they approach a group of monster. A TR can go in stealth smoke bomb the area and then all other player can attack without a risk to die. Dazing strike helps with remaining groups of monster.
    In the example of Valindra or any other bigger monsters you can use wicked reminder and boost the damage of your group by 21%. So i would not say the TR is a useless class, he deals valid damage and has some cool abilities.
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  • quspivquspiv Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,087 Arc User
    karakla1 wrote: »
    That is right, in some Dungeons i have less damage but it isn't as significant as you think it would be.
    ECC is a good example why you need a TR. Most groups die if they approach a group of monster. A TR can go in stealth smoke bomb the area and then all other player can attack without a risk to die. Dazing strike helps with remaining groups of monster.
    In the example of Valindra or any other bigger monsters you can use wicked reminder and boost the damage of your group by 21%. So i would not say the TR is a useless class, he deals valid damage and has some cool abilities.

    Smoke bomb isnt even needed tbh, cause CW's can just perma freeze the mobs and aoe them them. I didnt said that TR is totaly useless, but it's definitely harder to do similar due to class and encounters design.
  • karakla1karakla1 Member Posts: 1,355 Arc User
    i see barely any CW perma CC enemies and i am pretty often in randoms too. So maybe it is possible but practical i would say no.
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  • kraiton11kraiton11 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    This is my PVE exe TR
    https://youtu.be/2DQLJQbDTDc
    Gwf, Hr and Sw are beter aoe dps, but tr is a great unitarget dps and acceptable controller.
    Another advantage is that it does not generate agro.
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  • rustlordrustlord Member Posts: 1,454 Arc User
    Mostly because it's bugged, procs Lostmauth bonus multiple times that LoL almost does more damage than the power itself. At any rate it's always been very handy in PvE.
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  • kweassakweassa Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    morenthar wrote: »
    I'm still a little shocked at how underrated Wicked Reminder still remains. That power WORKS.

    Could probably work in your case because you're a Sabo now morenthar. With a Scoundrel build here, I'm probably as optimized as I can get... can't function without Dazing Strike...
    Stop making excuses. Be a man.
    If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
    Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
  • dahhakardahhakar Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    kraiton11 any chance you could share your build?
  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    kweassa said:



    morenthar wrote: »

    I'm still a little shocked at how underrated Wicked Reminder still remains. That power WORKS.


    Could probably work in your case because you're a Sabo now morenthar. With a Scoundrel build here, I'm probably as optimized as I can get... can't function without Dazing Strike...
    in a pve set up there should be plently of space for wicked remider
    smokebomb, dazing strike and what else?
  • lemonchilllemonchill Member Posts: 523 Arc User
    morenthar said:

    I'm still a little shocked at how underrated Wicked Reminder still remains. That power WORKS.

    wicked reminder always were underrated as farr as i can remember. only "true trs" that explored this encounter knows its true powers and abilities :)
  • rustlordrustlord Member Posts: 1,454 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    lemonchill said:

    ~ knows its true powers and abilities

    Just for kicks =3






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  • drkbodhidrkbodhi Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,378 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    @rustlord... you took that yesterday... with our Preview Test Server level 7 SH boost?​​
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  • rustlordrustlord Member Posts: 1,454 Arc User
    I leeched 4K from your SH.
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