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lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,555 Arc User


The first is no shocker, Star Trek: Section 31 as a DS9 fan I'm looking forward to this one. I believe that it starts shooting right after Discovery season 3 finishes shooting.

The second one is Star Trek: Prodigy , which the video think might be a Pike Series or the Nicklodeon series, but it could be for the Star Trek: Academy series that they announced, but we haven't heard much about it.

Alternately it could be something entirely.

Also while not new, we still don't know what Star Trek: Destiny is, but the video suggests its a good name for a Pike series.

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  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,555 Arc User
    https://trekmovie.com/2019/08/03/cbs-execs-talk-coordinating-discovery-and-picard-and-limitless-future-of-star-trek/

    Limitless potential. They talk about the timeline and doing shows at different points of the 24th century, 23rd century, and 32 century.
  • lazarus51166lazarus51166 Member Posts: 576 Arc User
    lordgyor wrote: »
    https://trekmovie.com/2019/08/03/cbs-execs-talk-coordinating-discovery-and-picard-and-limitless-future-of-star-trek/

    Limitless potential. They talk about the timeline and doing shows at different points of the 24th century, 23rd century, and 32 century.

    These same executives spouting 'limitless potential' are forgetting that 'franchise fatigue' is the cited reason why enterprise did so badly and was cancelled so early. and that show was the only star trek series on the air at the time. So either it was a bs claim then, or history is going to repeat itself before too long and the franchise is going to be saturated with low quality shows that flop
  • somtaawkharsomtaawkhar Member Posts: 6,258 Arc User
    edited August 4
    Sometime last year CBS trademarked several new Trek show names
    • Revolution
    • Starfleet Academy
    • Destiny
    • Reliant
    • Ceti Alpha V
    • Lower Decks
    OFC, after they announced Picard we got a trademark for it, and now we have Section 31 and Prodigy
    • Starfleet Academy is obviously about the rumored teen drama that is set there
    • Ceti Alpha V was a 3 episode Khan mini-series that got put on hold/canned
    • Lower Decks is the upcoming adult animated comedy
    • Section 31 is also obviously the announced Section 31 show starting Mirror Phillipa
    • Picard is Picard
    This leaves us with Revolution, Destiny, Reliant, and Prodigy, as unknown, with one of them likely being the Nickelodeon cartoon.
  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,555 Arc User
    > @somtaawkhar said:
    > Sometime last year CBS trademarked several new Trek show names
    > * Revolution
    > * Starfleet Academy
    > * Destiny
    > * Reliant
    > * Ceti Alpha V
    > * Lower Decks
    >
    > OFC, after they announced Picard we got a trademark for it, and now we have Section 31 and Prodigy
    > * Starfleet Academy is obviously about the rumored teen drama that is set there
    > * Ceti Alpha V was a 3 episode Khan mini-series that got put on hold/canned
    > * Lower Decks is the upcoming adult animated comedy
    > * Section 31 is also obviously the announced Section 31 show starting Mirror Phillipa
    > * Picard is Picard
    >
    > This leaves us with Revolution, Destiny, Reliant, and Prodigy, as unknown, with one of them likely being the Nickelodeon cartoon.

    Nice clarifying.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 10,928 Arc User
    I hope Destiny has absolutely nothing to do with the Destiny novels where it removed the Borg and explained their origin of them being Starfleet Officers and an advanced alien that were sent back in time where the alien used some broken technology to assimilate the Starfleet Officers into becoming the first Borg.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 48,674 Arc User
    The theory that Destiny is referring to Pike is interesting though, as he knows his destiny.

    Prodigy... could apply to Starfleet Academy if you think about it.
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  • azrael605azrael605 Member Posts: 10,157 Arc User
    > @lazarus51166 said:
    > lordgyor wrote: »
    >
    > https://trekmovie.com/2019/08/03/cbs-execs-talk-coordinating-discovery-and-picard-and-limitless-future-of-star-trek/
    >
    > Limitless potential. They talk about the timeline and doing shows at different points of the 24th century, 23rd century, and 32 century.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > These same executives spouting 'limitless potential' are forgetting that 'franchise fatigue' is the cited reason why enterprise did so badly and was cancelled so early. and that show was the only star trek series on the air at the time. So either it was a bs claim then, or history is going to repeat itself before too long and the franchise is going to be saturated with low quality shows that flop

    Neither of your assumptions are true. There was real franvhise fatigue then. However, the franchise, and the tv industry is not the same now as it was then and history will not be repeating itself. Lastly for the love of everything stop listening to those jackasses on toutube.
  • lazarus51166lazarus51166 Member Posts: 576 Arc User
    Neither of your assumptions are true

    I didn't make any assumptions
    There was real franvhise fatigue then

    No there wasn't, There was one series (enterprise) on the air and the movies were long over. and if you want to argue that there was 'franchise fatigue' in existence at that time then you don't have a choice but to concede my point. Even at the height of the different series being on their air, there were never more than two on the air at any given time, with the occasional movie coming out. Enterprise was literally it when it was cancelled. So if that number of series being in progress led to 'fatigue' due to over saturation, then common sense say that having, what is it in planning now? FIVE essentially concurrent series in development or at least planning stages, will have to result in a similar situation.
    and the tv industry is not the same now as it was then

    BS. Too much franchise saturation is too much franchise saturation any way you cut it. The industry is what it is, as is human nature. If people were tired of it then, they will get tired of it now
    history will not be repeating itself

    If history has proven anything its that it always repeats itself. That cliche exists for a reason. Its cyclical, and repeats itself on a pretty regular basis, particularly when you make a point of repeating previous mistakes. What was that about the definition of insanity being repeating the same actions and expecting different results again?
    Lastly for the love of everything stop listening to those jackasses on toutube.

    What? I didn't say anything about youtube, nor do I listen to anybody regarding this stuff on it
  • somtaawkharsomtaawkhar Member Posts: 6,258 Arc User
    No there wasn't, There was one series (enterprise) on the air and the movies were long over. and if you want to argue that there was 'franchise fatigue' in existence at that time then you don't have a choice but to concede my point. Even at the height of the different series being on their air, there were never more than two on the air at any given time, with the occasional movie coming out. Enterprise was literally it when it was cancelled. So if that number of series being in progress led to 'fatigue' due to over saturation, then common sense say that having, what is it in planning now? FIVE essentially concurrent series in development or at least planning stages, will have to result in a similar situation.
    This really isn't a valid comparison.

    Trek suffered franchise fatigue because it went from 1987, to 2005, running shows that were all pretty much the same back to back/concurrent with each other. Even with Enterprise being the only show on when it aired, the fatigue of it being basically the same thing as Voyager, which was largely similar to DS9, which was similar to TNG, is what created the fatigue. It wasn't the number of shows running, but the KIND of shows running.

    On the other hand, all of these new Trek shows are being designed to be different from each other to prevent that
    -Discovery is the big action/drama show
    -Picard is a more character focused/smaller scope piece
    -Lower Decks is an animated adult comedy
    -The Nick cartoon is for kids
    -Section 31 is more James Bond/spy like
    -Starfleet Academy is a teen drama
    There's lots of Trek coming out, but all of them are vastly different in terms of tone and style.

    Not to mention, CBS and Kurtzman have talked about, several times now, that many of these shows will serve as replacements to each other, so when one show ends for good, another one starts, and they aren't all running at the same time/in the same year. Some exec at CBS has said that Section 31 might not air until Discovery is done... and its airing in 2021, seemingly making Discovery S3 the end.
    -The Picard show is only scheduled for one short season of 10 episodes, though they have story ideas for up to three
    -Lower Decks is also a short season of 10 episodes, and only scheduled for two seasons
    -Last I remember them talking about it, they weren't sure if Section 31 would be a full multi-series show, or a mini-series, due to Yeoh's busy schedule, so that might not even go past 1 season itself.
  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,555 Arc User
    edited August 4
    > @lazarus51166 said:
    > Neither of your assumptions are true
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > I didn't make any assumptions
    > There was real franvhise fatigue then
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > No there wasn't, There was one series (enterprise) on the air and the movies were long over. and if you want to argue that there was 'franchise fatigue' in existence at that time then you don't have a choice but to concede my point. Even at the height of the different series being on their air, there were never more than two on the air at any given time, with the occasional movie coming out. Enterprise was literally it when it was cancelled. So if that number of series being in progress led to 'fatigue' due to over saturation, then common sense say that having, what is it in planning now? FIVE essentially concurrent series in development or at least planning stages, will have to result in a similar situation.
    > and the tv industry is not the same now as it was then
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > BS. Too much franchise saturation is too much franchise saturation any way you cut it. The industry is what it is, as is human nature. If people were tired of it then, they will get tired of it now
    > history will not be repeating itself
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > If history has proven anything its that it always repeats itself. That cliche exists for a reason. Its cyclical, and repeats itself on a pretty regular basis, particularly when you make a point of repeating previous mistakes. What was that about the definition of insanity being repeating the same actions and expecting different results again?
    > Lastly for the love of everything stop listening to those jackasses on toutube.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > What? I didn't say anything about youtube, nor do I listen to anybody regarding this stuff on it

    I didn't buy fatigue then, I don't buy it now. There was a host of factors.

    And to make that the fatigue doesn't happen, not that I think that is a thing, they are making sure each show is super different from each other.

    Enterprise was very simular to TOS, Voyager, and TNG in basic forumla, only DS9 broke the mold and even DS9 had some content like this.

    The Star Trek multiverse is so big you could take almost any other show and drop it into the Star Trek Universe.

    CSIS/Dangerous Minds, have a starship that flies around investiagting murders.

    Scarface/Godfather/Sopranos, set it on that TOS mobster world.

    Westwing? Read the Novel Federation politics!

    Pirates of the Caribean/Black Sails, a show about Orion Pirates.

    Percy Jackson, Star Trek has Greek Gods.

    Dungeons and Dragons set in the Magan Universe with the Star Trek Universe.

    Walking Dead? Have a Borg ship crash on a planet and have the dead borg be animated by their nanites.

    Game of Thrones/Barbarian Queen, Saruk and Kathless prequels .
  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,555 Arc User
    Giving Q his own show show could be fun, especially if its animated.
  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 656 Arc User
    edited August 7
    The "franchise fatigue" was largely Moonves being tired of Star Trek (he was never a fan of it, and apparently did not like science fiction in general anway). ENT's rating were actually going up slightly when the decision to cancel was made, and for a show that had a rough start and was so far along to be going up in popularity instead of slowly slipping is noteworthy.

    That said, the fact that all the Star Treks by Berman and Braga ended up dumping their original, and often unique, concepts in favor of pretty much the same flavor and formula in each probably did not help any.
  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 12,730 Arc User
    edited August 7
    'Prodigy'?

    Okay - this a totally personal viewpoint...... but the first thing that sprang to my mind when I read that was 'Kirk's academy days'.
    I'm very likely WAY off - but still, that was what popped into my head.
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  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,221 Arc User
    edited August 7
    No there wasn't, There was one series (enterprise) on the air and the movies were long over.

    Enterprise followed Voyager which followed Deep Space Nine which followed TNG - so you had a Star Trek show on television essentially non stop from 1987 to 2005 - 18 years.

    That is franchise fatigue, especially for the reasons @somtaawkhar pointed out.

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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 34,123 Arc User
    One of the Toho execs(producers of the Godzilla franchise) explained "franchise fatigue" as being more about whether you have good ideas for making things, and less about how many things you've made.
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,751 Arc User
    > @lazarus51166 said:
    > These same executives spouting 'limitless potential' are forgetting that 'franchise fatigue' is the cited reason why enterprise did so badly and was cancelled so early. and that show was the only star trek series on the air at the time. So either it was a bs claim then, or history is going to repeat itself before too long and the franchise is going to be saturated with low quality shows that flop

    No, ENT got cancelled because it was a lousy show that people stopped watching. You can literally look at the viewing numbers plummet starting the week after "A Night in Sickbay".
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 48,674 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    'Prodigy'?

    Okay - this a totally personal viewpoint...... but the first thing that sprang to my mind when I read that was 'Kirk's academy days'.
    I'm very likely WAY off - but still, that was what popped into my head.

    I did think Starfleet Academy when I saw Prodigy. Some up and coming cadet. Doesn't have to be Kirk either.
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  • azrael605azrael605 Member Posts: 10,157 Arc User
    > @starswordc said:
    > > @lazarus51166 said:
    > > These same executives spouting 'limitless potential' are forgetting that 'franchise fatigue' is the cited reason why enterprise did so badly and was cancelled so early. and that show was the only star trek series on the air at the time. So either it was a bs claim then, or history is going to repeat itself before too long and the franchise is going to be saturated with low quality shows that flop
    >
    > No, ENT got cancelled because it was a lousy show that people stopped watching. You can literally look at the viewing numbers plummet starting the week after "A Night in Sickbay".

    Ugg that episode, risking an interstellar war over his damn dog. Even if I didn't dislike dogs I would hate that episode. So much idiocy.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 48,674 Arc User
    Its no different than stinkers like Threshold and Spock's Brain. Every series has at least one.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 8,585 Arc User
    Apparently ratings were actually starting to trend upwards in the last season. But Moonves was never exactly subtle in his distaste for SF in general and Trek in particular.
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  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,221 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Its no different than stinkers like Threshold and Spock's Brain. Every series has at least one.

    Not to mention perennial favorites "The Omega Glory", "Turnabout Intruder" , "Profit and Lace"...

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  • azrael605azrael605 Member Posts: 10,157 Arc User
    > @rattler2 said:
    > Its no different than stinkers like Threshold and Spock's Brain. Every series has at least one.

    Ah but it is different, to me at least, since its a rare case of me agreeing with general consensus. I mean I personally think Turnabout Intruder is far worse than Spock's Brain, which at least had the mystery of the old civilization which seemed somewhat connected to that of For The World is Hollow and I Have Touched The Sky.
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,751 Arc User
    edited August 8
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Its no different than stinkers like Threshold and Spock's Brain. Every series has at least one.

    It's a little different: those two may not be good TV, but they're so aggressively stupid they accidentally manage to be funny (perhaps if you watch them with a beer or three). That's a pretty far cry from

    1) camera slowly pans over scantily clad T'Pol rubbing decon gel onto scantily clad Hoshi, who's rubbing it onto scantily clad Archer, who's rubbing it onto Porthos the dog
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    2) Archer behaving like a bratty little s**t instead of a professional officer when he has basically zero leverage on the people he's negotiating with
    3) Phlox insisting that Archer's real problem is he's in lust with T'Pol, which thankfully was never referenced again

    Just, wut?
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  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 12,730 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    reyan01 wrote: »
    'Prodigy'?

    Okay - this a totally personal viewpoint...... but the first thing that sprang to my mind when I read that was 'Kirk's academy days'.
    I'm very likely WAY off - but still, that was what popped into my head.

    I did think Starfleet Academy when I saw Prodigy. Some up and coming cadet. Doesn't have to be Kirk either.

    Very true.

    But again, it was just a random thought.
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  • ryan218ryan218 Member Posts: 34,419 Arc User
    starswordc wrote: »
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Its no different than stinkers like Threshold and Spock's Brain. Every series has at least one.

    It's a little different: those two may not be good TV, but they're so aggressively stupid they accidentally manage to be funny (perhaps if you watch them with a beer or three). That's a pretty far cry from

    1) camera slowly pans over scantily clad T'Pol rubbing decon gel onto scantily clad Hoshi, who's rubbing it onto scantily clad Archer, who's rubbing it onto Porthos the dog
    1kuwti.jpg
    2) Archer behaving like a bratty little s**t instead of a professional officer when he has basically zero leverage on the people he's negotiating with
    3) Phlox insisting that Archer's real problem is he's in lust with T'Pol, which thankfully was never referenced again

    Just, wut?

    There's a reason I skip most of seasons 1 & 2 of Enterprise. This is it.
  • alexmakepeacealexmakepeace Member Posts: 10,602 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    'Prodigy'?

    Okay - this a totally personal viewpoint...... but the first thing that sprang to my mind when I read that was 'Kirk's academy days'.
    I'm very likely WAY off - but still, that was what popped into my head.

    No no no, there's only one possible protagonist... uh... worthy, shall we say, of the lead role for a series called "Prodigy."

    It's him:
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  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,221 Arc User
    edited August 12
    No no no, there's only one possible protagonist... uh... worthy, shall we say, of the lead role for a series called "Prodigy."

    It's him:

    Yeah no. CBS is looking to promote and expand the IP, not kill it.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 10,928 Arc User
    edited August 13
    No no no, there's only one possible protagonist... uh... worthy, shall we say, of the lead role for a series called "Prodigy."

    It's him:

    A series featuring Will Wheaton reprising his role as Wesley Crusher after his adventures with The Traveler would be interesting, but it would not be appropriate for a series called Prodigy. Maybe if it was set right after Wesley Crusher started his adventures with The Traveler.
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