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  • centurian821centurian821 Member Posts: 274 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    So they create a really effective Starship and decide to hold back on its production because....?

    Speculation: Because it's a highly specialized design. It'd be easiest to put 25th century tech into a frame designed with it in mind from the ground up. So the rate of production of 25th century designs would be a lot higher than this 23rd century one. Given the last two galaxy spanning conflicts, they need to churn out more ships rather than more powerful ships.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    > @reyan01 said:
    > Doesn't appear to include the DSC Constitution bridge (interior) either.
    > A pity considering how much the ship can cost.

    You know that if they announce that Anson Mount and/or Rebecca Rojmin will be doing a 'special' Episode with the Discovery Enterprise, you can bet that an Infomercial Episode is here to shows us around the ship for the to be released Bridge Pack. ;)
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,165 Arc User
    edited June 2019
    In regards to the general discontent over these "box ships"...

    I don't "like" the connie being in the box. I understand it, I have come to accept it, and I actually have 3 (2 TLCs, 1 Kelvin and am about to have the discoprise). So, my "issue" doesn't come from a place of jealously or envy, because I personally have what I want.

    But yes, I also understand how "it sucks" for people new to the game who don't have an army of alts for grinding. Those people aren't wrong to feel that way, and they aren't wrong to feel turned off. It's not a great situation, but it's one I've learned to "deal with". But if someone else isn't ok with it, that's ok too.

    Having said all of that, I do think they really need to figure out how to handle this issue in a better way or someone else is going to handle it for them. It might not be that guy, but someone will. And sometimes it's better if you are the one controlling the change instead of having it forced on you.

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  • inferiorityinferiority Member Posts: 3,929 Arc User
    edited June 2019
    I don't like that it's yet another 'lootbox' but I probably wouldn't stick with the ship once I'd unlocked the trait-I'd-hardly-use anyway & that's really just a waste of money for me.

    Now, if they put X-Bomber in the game, I'd snap that right up!
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  • lordsteve1lordsteve1 Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    In regards to the general discontent over these "box ships"...

    I don't "like" the connie being in the box. I understand it, I have come to accept it, and I actually have 3 (2 TLCs, 1 Kelvin and am about to have the discoprise). So, my "issue" doesn't come from a place of jealously or envy, because I personally have what I want.

    But yes, I also understand how "it sucks" for people new to the game who don't have an army of alts for grinding. Those people aren't wrong to feel that way, and they aren't wrong to feel turned off. It's not a great situation, but it's one I've learned to "deal with". But if someone else isn't ok with it, that's ok too.

    Having said all of that, I do think they really need to figure out how to handle this issue in a better way or someone else is going to handle it for them. It might not be that guy, but someone will. And sometimes it's better if you are the one controlling the change instead of having it forced on you.

    Well said.

    I don't really begrudge anyone who seriously wants to acquire this ship (or any promo/box ship) but I do find the practice predatory and abusing the player/dev relationship to the extreme.
    They know there are players who cannot control their urges to drop cash into the game. I accept they need an income to pay the bills but they are quite clearly taking advantage of a situation where they know there is a portion of a community who have little impulse control; especially over financial matters.
    If you feel genuinely happy paying for such an item in any game, that's good for you but I think everyone needs to be fully aware this practice of acquiring ships is not being done for any reason other than greed to take advantage of people's wishes to own something desirable.

    Cryptic DO need to address this elephant in the room. Lootbox mechanics are getting serious attention now. This is only gonna get more bitter the more game companies push their players.
    The company needs to be the change, or like you said...someone else is going to come along and it'll be taken out of the devs' hands.
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  • totenmettotenmet Member Posts: 592 Arc User
    edited June 2019
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  • djf021djf021 Member Posts: 1,378 Arc User
    edited June 2019
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  • mrtokenmrtoken Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    I really think there should be a max spend amount on things like this. 1 idea i had a while ago was that for every $10 purchase of Zen you get 1 Zen purchase token. Then when you have say 15 of these they can be used for a ship that is normally locked away behind a lockbox / research box. This way it is tied directly to purchasing of zen (and not by earning free zen in game).

    The ship will still be packaged in a box that you can put on the exchange as well letting other purchase it for EC. Current "event project queue" could be used for this.
  • djf021djf021 Member Posts: 1,378 Arc User
    mrtoken wrote: »
    I really think there should be a max spend amount on things like this. 1 idea i had a while ago was that for every $10 purchase of Zen you get 1 Zen purchase token. Then when you have say 15 of these they can be used for a ship that is normally locked away behind a lockbox / research box. This way it is tied directly to purchasing of zen (and not by earning free zen in game).

    The ship will still be packaged in a box that you can put on the exchange as well letting other purchase it for EC. Current "event project queue" could be used for this.

    I'd be fine with some system like this, if they could find a fair balance.
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    Don't let them promote you. Don't let them transfer you. Don't let them do anything that takes you off the bridge of that ship, because while you're there... you can make a difference.
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  • mrtokenmrtoken Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    djf021 wrote: »
    mrtoken wrote: »
    I really think there should be a max spend amount on things like this. 1 idea i had a while ago was that for every $10 purchase of Zen you get 1 Zen purchase token. Then when you have say 15 of these they can be used for a ship that is normally locked away behind a lockbox / research box. This way it is tied directly to purchasing of zen (and not by earning free zen in game).

    The ship will still be packaged in a box that you can put on the exchange as well letting other purchase it for EC. Current "event project queue" could be used for this.

    I'd be fine with some system like this, if they could find a fair balance.

    I think it's fair as people can still buy lock box keys / research packs and try their luck, people that don't want to spend money can still trade dilithium for zen to purchase keys and sell them on the exchange for EC to get funds together to buy the ship. Just means if someone really wants the ship they can spend money upfront or over time and know they will get it.
    Maybe set it that you can only buy the ship once per character and if that person sells its on the exchange then they then have enough EC to buy 1 or 2 other ships from older lock boxes they are after.

    Let's face it $150 can buy a good number of other games these days so i think the $150 (15 tokens) is a fair price for only 1 ship. I know myself i would be a lot less bitter knowing that I will get the ship i want if it was at a max fix price.

  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,165 Arc User
    edited June 2019
    Here are the ships!


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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    Man, I have to admit.. all those hangar pets firing at once looks cool as @#$%.

    I still won't be getting one.. but yeah, it's definitely cool.
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,275 Arc User
    so...apparently devs have the ability to spawn unkillable test dummies at will...yet players STILL don't have anything like this in an empty map to test builds on despite having repeatedly asked for it for YEARS now?​​
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  • qqqqiiqqqqii Member Posts: 473 Arc User
    edited June 2019
    Eh, anyone who's surprised or upset this is an R&D lottery ship hasn't been here long enough. Stick around; it's a lot like watching your favorite three episodes again and again.

    Also, how smart do you have to be to disable playback of your own video on your own website?..

    Wait... we already know the answer to that...
  • thlaylierahthlaylierah Member Posts: 2,983 Arc User
    I'm really on the fence about this one. Not the moral ramifications, I agree with most posters about them. I already have THE Constitution class and have mixed and matched all the ships parts to make the Phase II Enterprise that I could never convince Cryptic to produce. This Discoprise will be stuck as a one off like the JJprise so no customization.
  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,659 Arc User
    edited June 2019
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  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,659 Arc User
    qqqqii wrote: »
    Eh, anyone who's surprised or upset this is an R&D lottery ship hasn't been here long enough. Stick around; it's a lot like watching your favorite three episodes again and again.

    Also, how smart do you have to be to disable playback of your own video on your own website?..

    Wait... we already know the answer to that...

    More like unfavorite episodes.
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,275 Arc User
    qqqqii wrote: »
    Eh, anyone who's surprised or upset this is an R&D lottery ship hasn't been here long enough. Stick around; it's a lot like watching your favorite three episodes again and again.

    Also, how smart do you have to be to disable playback of your own video on your own website?..

    Wait... we already know the answer to that...

    more like being strapped to a chair, having your eyelids taped open and being forced to watch thirtysomething on repeat​​
    Like special weapons from other Star Trek games? Wondering if they can be replicated in STO even a little bit? Check this out: https://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1262277/a-mostly-comprehensive-guide-to-star-trek-videogame-special-weapons-and-their-sto-equivalents

    #LegalizeAwoo

    A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
    An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
    A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
    A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


    "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
    "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
    Passion and Serenity are one.
    I gain power by understanding both.
    In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
    I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
    The Force is united within me.
  • salvation4salvation4 Member Posts: 1,167 Arc User
    TRIBBLE sake!! 72 flyers plus an additional 4 squadrons from the console making it roughly 96 flyers at one time as per the video..WTF????? And if that auto launch thing which Jette said falls through..THEN...Its the holocaust and the beginning of a new meta especially for ENGG Players..
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,275 Arc User
    yeah, i can't wait to see the server explode when 5 players show up with these things along with every other possible source of petspam equipped​​
    Like special weapons from other Star Trek games? Wondering if they can be replicated in STO even a little bit? Check this out: https://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1262277/a-mostly-comprehensive-guide-to-star-trek-videogame-special-weapons-and-their-sto-equivalents

    #LegalizeAwoo

    A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
    An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
    A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
    A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


    "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
    "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
    Passion and Serenity are one.
    I gain power by understanding both.
    In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
    I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
    The Force is united within me.
  • salvation4salvation4 Member Posts: 1,167 Arc User
    yeah, i can't wait to see the server explode when 5 players show up with these things along with every other possible source of petspam equipped​​

    Add photonic fleet, fleet distress call, the delta/ beacon of Khaelass/ hur'Q reinforcements, then scorpion flyers in the device slot from The Vault mission..YOU HAVE A CLUSTER TRIBBLE right there..
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,275 Arc User
    those were included under 'every other possible source of petspam'​​
    Like special weapons from other Star Trek games? Wondering if they can be replicated in STO even a little bit? Check this out: https://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1262277/a-mostly-comprehensive-guide-to-star-trek-videogame-special-weapons-and-their-sto-equivalents

    #LegalizeAwoo

    A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
    An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
    A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
    A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


    "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
    "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
    Passion and Serenity are one.
    I gain power by understanding both.
    In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
    I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
    The Force is united within me.
  • salvation4salvation4 Member Posts: 1,167 Arc User
    those were included under 'every other possible source of petspam'​​

    My BAD..But yeah..Before we go BOOM the server goes BOOM..
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    Jean-Uss Seratoga Ravenna (LVL 60 FED Delta ENG) UC/R MKVI Bajoran Escort (April 2018)
    Dubsa-RRW Mnaudh (LVL 50 FED allied ROM Delta ENG) Warbird (May 2018)
    Marop-IKS Orunthi (LVL 50 KNG Delta ENG) BoP (May 2018)
    Kanak'lan-TRIBBLE (LVL 65 DOM Gamma ENG) TRIBBLE (June 2018)
  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,899 Arc User
    With these ships being called flight deck but having two bays does this mean other flight decks are going to be upped to two with carriers getting a third or is this just another piece of nonsense gamblebox ship carrot to dangle while throwing definitions of ship categories out the airlock?
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    yeah, i can't wait to see the server explode when 5 players show up with these things along with every other possible source of petspam equipped​​

    We'll see.. but the way it's currently explained is that from an AI perspective each squadron counts as 1 pet (they all use the same AI) so it sounds like this ship shouldn't be anymore lag intensive then any other carrier. Of course, we'll see how it works in actual practice.
    With these ships being called flight deck but having two bays does this mean other flight decks are going to be upped to two with carriers getting a third or is this just another piece of nonsense gamblebox ship carrot to dangle while throwing definitions of ship categories out the airlock?

    I was wondering about that myself, but then I remembered that this is Cryptic and their ship classifications mean absolutely nothing. Apparently 'flight deck cruiser' will be a new term like 'Dreadnought,' just something to slap on a ship arbitrarily to try and make it sound 'cool' and sell more. :lol:
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  • srbin666srbin666 Member Posts: 65 Arc User
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    > @shadowfang240 said:
    > yeah, i can't wait to see the server explode when 5 players show up with these things along with every other possible source of petspam equipped​​

    Five? Wait for ten in the Crystalline Featured TFO. ;)
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    Judge Dan Haywood
    'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
    l don't know.
    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
    Lt. Philip J. Minns
  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,899 Arc User
    Different flavour of ridiculous compared to joining the breach event when the universal pizza cutters got added to the game.

    Being fighters they will be squishy so might not be as effective a mini fleet as the jem carrier although it looks like the inept ai is being offset by giving them beams over cannons so they should get a few hits in before dancing into core breaches.
  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,275 Arc User
    doesn't matter if they do; hangar pets are immune to warp core breaches​​
    Like special weapons from other Star Trek games? Wondering if they can be replicated in STO even a little bit? Check this out: https://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1262277/a-mostly-comprehensive-guide-to-star-trek-videogame-special-weapons-and-their-sto-equivalents

    #LegalizeAwoo

    A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
    An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
    A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
    A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


    "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
    "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
    Passion and Serenity are one.
    I gain power by understanding both.
    In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
    I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
    The Force is united within me.
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